Gay couple 'removed from Soho pub for kissing' (Update!)

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    Apr 15, 2011 5:37 AM GMT
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13087715

    A man has told of how he was ordered to leave a central London pub after a staff member objected to him kissing a man he was on a date with.

    James Bull, 23, said he and Jonathan Williams, 26, were thrown out of the John Snow on Broadwick Street, Soho.

    Mr Bull said he was "shaking" after a woman claiming to be the pub's landlady removed them for being "obscene".

    The Metropolitan Police are investigating the incident, while the John Snow pub is yet to comment.

    Samuel Smith's brewery, the owner of the pub, declined to comment on the incident.

    'Felt dirty'
    "I felt belittled. I felt physically sick and we were both shaking," said Mr Bull, a charity worker from Kentish Town in north London.

    "It made me feel dirty. I've never experienced anything like this before."

    Mr Bull said a man claiming to be the pub's landlord first raised objection to their kissing shortly after 2145 BST.

    "We were kissing and a guy who claimed to be the landlord came over and told us to stop. I don't want to see that. It offends me," he said.

    "We had just kissed. It was nothing obscene. He said if we didn't tone it down, we would have to leave.

    "We were going to finish our drinks and leave but another person at the bar said the man had no right to do that."

    'Venom and anger'
    Jamie Morton, 23, from Canary Wharf, who witnessed the incident, said: "I was really shocked. I said: 'That's outrageous - you can't say that.'"

    Mr Bull said: "We had another drink and, getting up to leave, I gave Jonathan a quick peck on the lips."

    "A woman claiming to be the landlady came over and said: 'You need to leave, you're being obscene.'"

    "The man who said he was the landlord grabbed Jonathan by the collar before we left."

    Mr Morton said: "It was shocking and aggressive. There was a lot of venom and anger inflicted on these polite guys who were were genuinely doing nothing wrong at all."

    A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "Police are investigating an incident which occurred at approximately 2250 BST on Wednesday at a venue in Broadwick Street, W1.

    "There have been no arrests and inquiries are ongoing."
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    Apr 15, 2011 10:34 AM GMT
    Well looks like a little someone needs to take a trip to this pub and masturbate all over the landlady's face and say, "now THAT'S obscene bitch."
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    Apr 15, 2011 11:06 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidWell looks like a little someone needs to take a trip to this pub and masturbate all over the landlady's face and say, "now THAT'S obscene bitch."


    I agree Jake! Soho is supposedly the 'gay ghetto' of the gayest city in the UK which recognises gay civil unions! What hope do we have if kissing is obscene in this district? I have to put up with striaght couples 1-step from ripping each others clothes off on the trains and all manner of other public places and no-one bats an eyelid.
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    Apr 15, 2011 7:12 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidWell looks like a little someone needs to take a trip to this pub and masturbate all over the landlady's face and say, "now THAT'S obscene bitch."


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    Apr 16, 2011 5:43 AM GMT
    Gay kiss pub protest at Soho's John Snow

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    A mass same-sex "kiss-in" has been staged outside a pub in central London where two men said they were ejected on Wednesday for kissing each other.

    Hundreds of people gathered at the John Snow pub on Broadwick Street, Soho.

    The men in question, James Bull and Jonathan Williams, attended the protest and held hands outside the building.

    But Daniel Griffiths, ex-president of the Federation of Licensed Victuallers Associations, said if they did not like the house rules, "don't use the pub".

    Earlier Thomas Paget, the licence holder of the pub, had refused to comment on the row.

    Asked whether the venue - which closed early on Friday - had been the victim of a "misunderstanding", Mr Paget said: "I don't have anything to say."

    Samuel Smith's brewery, which owns the venue, has also not commented.

    'Gone viral'
    Mr Williams said the turnout had been "absolutely amazing".

    "I think the landlord has to reconsider his position," he told BBC London.

    "I think the landlord should realise that you can't do this kind of thing in Soho, because obviously people will react.

    "Not just because it's wrong, but because people realise it's not acceptable any more."

    Asked whether it could have been any kissing couple who were ejected, and not just two men, Mr Williams replied: "Show me a straight couple that has been kicked out. I would gladly reconsider my position."

    The pub had shut at about 1600 BST, and Richard Lally, 26, of Clapham, south London, said "people started piling out".

    "The doors were then locked," he added.

    "You wouldn't think in Soho, this kind of thing would happen."

    Friday evening's protest was planned on the social-networking website Facebook and had "gone viral", protest organiser Paul Shetler said.

    "It seemed rather than us just sort of accepting that we should be hiding away from a place like this, we should just go there instead and have a massive kiss-in."

    The Metropolitan Police is investigating Wednesday's incident.


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    Apr 16, 2011 10:47 AM GMT
    bazungu said
    JAKEBENSON saidWell looks like a little someone needs to take a trip to this pub and masturbate all over the landlady's face and say, "now THAT'S obscene bitch."


    I agree Jake! Soho is supposedly the 'gay ghetto' of the gayest city in the UK which recognises gay civil unions! What hope do we have if kissing is obscene in this district? I have to put up with striaght couples 1-step from ripping each others clothes off on the trains and all manner of other public places and no-one bats an eyelid.


    Fo REAL! Even in Hollywood, which is totally gay-friendly and saturated with gays, I see straight couples kiss ALL THE TIME when I'm at the gym but NEVER a gay couple. Well, I'm sure they're fucking around in the sauna, but from the looks of the co-ed area, nothing.
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    Apr 16, 2011 11:04 AM GMT
    Kissing and the one i am kissing is my right, no matter the place and that's because i feel from within and i express.
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    Apr 16, 2011 11:26 AM GMT
    Masturbating on her won't wok...She just may like it....Lets just throw poop at her..
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    Apr 16, 2011 1:13 PM GMT
    bazungu said
    JAKEBENSON saidWell looks like a little someone needs to take a trip to this pub and masturbate all over the landlady's face and say, "now THAT'S obscene bitch."


    I agree Jake! Soho is supposedly the 'gay ghetto' of the gayest city in the UK which recognises gay civil unions! What hope do we have if kissing is obscene in this district? I have to put up with striaght couples 1-step from ripping each others clothes off on the trains and all manner of other public places and no-one bats an eyelid.


    Actually it´s Vauxhall now... Soho is so past it. But still... the business will suffer and the law is likely to be on the guys´ side. Just imagine this in Florida....

    If I´d known I´d have gone yesterday too.... silly cunts
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    Apr 16, 2011 1:29 PM GMT
    I've been there, but it was about 2 years ago. The whole thing sounds a little odd to me, based on my impression of the place, but being a visitor, I might have missed something. I would assume the establishment will have a bit of a black eye.