Arizona Legislature Approves Bill Requiring Presidential Candidates To Prove U.S. Citizenship

  • metta

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    Apr 15, 2011 3:29 PM GMT
    Arizona Legislature Approves Bill Requiring Presidential Candidates To Prove U.S. Citizenship


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/15/birth-certificate-arizona-legislature-approves_n_849523.html



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    Apr 15, 2011 3:33 PM GMT
    lol, I wonder what the cost was to pass this?

  • tazzari

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    Apr 15, 2011 3:35 PM GMT
    Maybe we just shouldn't have elections in Arizona. They're demonstrated some pretty good reasons not to...
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:37 PM GMT
    Good!
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidGood!



    So...do you think the CIA, the FBI, and the Bush administration were all asleep at the wheel, Mock? icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    I love the smell of a bill waiting to be ruled unconstitutional in the morning.
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:45 PM GMT
    I don't see what's wrong with this bill. Citizenship (and of the jus soli variety) is a requirement for presidency. It's no different from the post office (or dep of state, rather) requiring proof of citizenship before issuing a passport.
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    Apr 15, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
    atl2atx85 saidI don't see what's wrong with this bill. Citizenship (and of the jus soli variety) is a requirement for presidency. It's no different from the post office requiring proof of citizenship before issuing a passport.



    "Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and his Hawaiian birth certificates have been made public. Even though the courts have rebuffed lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility, the issue hasn't gone away."

    ..from the article. What's interesting to an outside observer is that drastic and draconian cuts have had to be made to the AZ budget, but apparently there's lots of spare cash lying around for the AZ legislature to pay itself for the time spent on this thing, which have rolled out as follows...

    " Thirteen other states have considered similar proposals this year. The proposals were defeated in Arkansas, Connecticut, Maine and Montana."

    Lots of money down the tubes. In the meantime, cut programs that people need to fund these things.

    Are you also saying the CIA, the FBI and the Bush administration were asleep at the wheel when Mr Obama ran for Prez?

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    Apr 15, 2011 4:16 PM GMT
    atl2atx85 saidI don't see what's wrong with this bill. Citizenship (and of the jus soli variety) is a requirement for presidency. It's no different from the post office (or dep of state, rather) requiring proof of citizenship before issuing a passport.


    I agree. Why is this a problem?
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    Apr 15, 2011 4:41 PM GMT
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    atl2atx85 saidI don't see what's wrong with this bill. Citizenship (and of the jus soli variety) is a requirement for presidency. It's no different from the post office (or dep of state, rather) requiring proof of citizenship before issuing a passport.


    I agree. Why is this a problem?


    It inconsistent with the majority of state laws governing how they produce birth certificates, which is to produce the "certificate of live birth" but not the original one from the hospital. I had to request my own birth certificate a few years ago and the document that I was given is nearly identical to the one Obama's people have released time and time again.
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    Apr 15, 2011 6:11 PM GMT
    We hardly hear from the RJ Righties for 2 weeks.....

    but TODAY.....they decide to post.....and it's on the birth certificate topic. icon_rolleyes.gif


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    Apr 15, 2011 6:28 PM GMT
    LeanathleticDC saidWe hardly hear from the RJ Righties for 2 weeks.....

    but TODAY.....they decide to post.....and it's on the birth certificate topic. icon_rolleyes.gif


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    Apr 15, 2011 9:00 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    atl2atx85 saidI don't see what's wrong with this bill. Citizenship (and of the jus soli variety) is a requirement for presidency. It's no different from the post office requiring proof of citizenship before issuing a passport.



    "Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and his Hawaiian birth certificates have been made public. Even though the courts have rebuffed lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility, the issue hasn't gone away."

    ..from the article. What's interesting to an outside observer is that drastic and draconian cuts have had to be made to the AZ budget, but apparently there's lots of spare cash lying around for the AZ legislature to pay itself for the time spent on this thing, which have rolled out as follows...

    " Thirteen other states have considered similar proposals this year. The proposals were defeated in Arkansas, Connecticut, Maine and Montana."

    Lots of money down the tubes. In the meantime, cut programs that people need to fund these things.

    Are you also saying the CIA, the FBI and the Bush administration were asleep at the wheel when Mr Obama ran for Prez?

    curious,


    -Doug


    Nope. You're creating a strawman. I'm not a "birther" by any means and believe that Obama's jus soli citizenship is legitimate. However, the issue above was whether such a law would be constitutional. There is no doubt that it is (absent some judicial activism).
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    Apr 15, 2011 9:08 PM GMT
    Aha, I see what you mean, but you never quoted Christian, who is the only poster mentioning 'constitution' (the article does not mention that) and your post appeared to stand alone.



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    Apr 15, 2011 9:32 PM GMT
    meninlove said lol, I wonder what the cost was to pass this?



    Which is going to be dwarfed by the costs of the lawsuits challenging it in federal courts in AZ.

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    Apr 15, 2011 9:39 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    meninlove said lol, I wonder what the cost was to pass this?



    Which is going to be dwarfed by the costs of the lawsuits challenging it in federal courts in AZ.




    ...and of course there's no money, so much so they had to cut programs to help people they promised they would, like those poor sods that were told they could have organ transplants.

    Well, this is far more important than someone's life. Yessiree.

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    Apr 15, 2011 9:52 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    atl2atx85 saidI don't see what's wrong with this bill. Citizenship (and of the jus soli variety) is a requirement for presidency. It's no different from the post office requiring proof of citizenship before issuing a passport.



    "Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and his Hawaiian birth certificates have been made public. Even though the courts have rebuffed lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility, the issue hasn't gone away."

    ..from the article. What's interesting to an outside observer is that drastic and draconian cuts have had to be made to the AZ budget, but apparently there's lots of spare cash lying around for the AZ legislature to pay itself for the time spent on this thing, which have rolled out as follows...

    " Thirteen other states have considered similar proposals this year. The proposals were defeated in Arkansas, Connecticut, Maine and Montana."

    Lots of money down the tubes. In the meantime, cut programs that people need to fund these things.

    Are you also saying the CIA, the FBI and the Bush administration were asleep at the wheel when Mr Obama ran for Prez?

    curious,


    -Doug


    Nope. You're creating a strawman. I'm not a "birther" by any means and believe that Obama's jus soli citizenship is legitimate. However, the issue above was whether such a law would be constitutional. There is no doubt that it is (absent some judicial activism).


    I agree that a law requiring solely proof of citizenship would be constitutional. The question for me (and I think the Court) would be whether the requirements of AZ require a level or kind of proof that the state wherein a candidate is born does not provide.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 16, 2011 3:46 PM GMT
    If someone wants to be President of the United States, they should be required to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are a citizen of the U.S. That people would have a problem with this is kind of a mystery to me.
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    Apr 16, 2011 3:54 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    atl2atx85 saidI don't see what's wrong with this bill. Citizenship (and of the jus soli variety) is a requirement for presidency. It's no different from the post office (or dep of state, rather) requiring proof of citizenship before issuing a passport.


    I agree. Why is this a problem?


    It inconsistent with the majority of state laws governing how they produce birth certificates, which is to produce the "certificate of live birth" but not the original one from the hospital. I had to request my own birth certificate a few years ago and the document that I was given is nearly identical to the one Obama's people have released time and time again.


    well the state of Ny and California required my original birth certificate and had this idea they could keep/ destroy it for my medical license.

    all of there documentations say ORIGINAL not copies or facsimiles. And if the original is not available , a notarized letter has to state the document is lost, unavailable or destroyed.

    Many states these requirements this for professional licensing.
    You basically have to threaten a lawsuit to get your documents back.

    They also require the ORIGNAL medical diploma as well.


    This is a stupid political law , i agree because its a waste of money to defend.


    But you have to say Obama is loving this Birther thing. He probably has his birth certificate and not giving it up.
    The new defense to any criticism of Obama is the explicit word "birther"

    this is a straw man, and I have seen it gaining use as Obama racks up the many broken campaign promises.


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    Apr 16, 2011 3:59 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIf someone wants to be President of the United States, they should be required to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are a citizen of the U.S. That people would have a problem with this is kind of a mystery to me.





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    Apr 16, 2011 4:04 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIf someone wants to be President of the United States, they should be required to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are a citizen of the U.S. That people would have a problem with this is kind of a mystery to me.




    Personally sucking the circumsized cock seems to be the only shadow of a doubt for Tin Foil CuriousJockAZ.



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    Apr 16, 2011 4:39 PM GMT
    Aside from the question of whether it is appropriate or constitutional for a state to require proof of citizenship, the real question is why many Democrats always resist any sort of proof of citizenship for running for office or for voting. In Georgia, they initially made the case that the poor would have difficulty getting such documentation and, therefore, would be unfairly under-represented in elections. To respond, the bill backers proposed state employees on teams go to anyone's house and process identification at no cost to them. The Democrats still opposed it, leading to the opinion that many Democrats really support illegal voting.
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    Apr 16, 2011 6:43 PM GMT
    Pandering to the tinfoil-hat brigade is what has made American politics so disastrously incapable of dealing with the nations problems.

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    Apr 16, 2011 6:54 PM GMT
    Somebody just posted an opinion to change the Constitution to require 35 years of citizenship instead of being born a citizen for eligibility for President. The argument was that in the 18th century, the fear was that some rich duke or earl from Europe can buy his way to the presidency of the then-young USA. (We have corporations now)

    I would vote for Schwarzenegger if he were allowed to run. He was much more of a centrist during his tenure.
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    Apr 16, 2011 6:55 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIf someone wants to be President of the United States, they should be required to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are a citizen of the U.S. That people would have a problem with this is kind of a mystery to me.


    Of course, it's kind of fascinating that a law like this gets passed during the term of the only President who wasn't a white male.

    In other words, no doubt despite all claims to the contrary, it STINKS of racism...especially given that this has been addressed time and time again!

    Maybe they're hoping to create some issue for Obama in 2012?