Article I Found "Scientists look to straighten homosexual sheep"

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    Jan 03, 2007 12:16 AM GMT
    Ok so im not so worried about the sheep being "straightened" but this whole article just freaks me out.



    "Specifically, they cut open the offending sheeps' skulls, attached electonic sensors to their grey matter and monitored them while "varying the hormone levels, mainly by injecting hormones into the brain". They reported "considerable success" in getting previously gay rams to consider a bit of boy-on-girl.

    The purpose behind these experiments is to "improve the productivity of herds" since "approximately one ram in 10 prefers to mount other rams rather than mate with ewes". The implications are far more sinister, opponents claim, since the acquired knowledge could in the future be used to "cure" human homosexuality, or may offer the prospect that "pregnant women could one day be offered a [hormone] treatment to reduce or eliminate the chance that their offspring will be homosexual.
    Ms Navratilova weighed in with: "How can it be that in the year 2006 a major university would host such homophobic and cruel experiments?"

    UK gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell declared: "These experiments echo Nazi research in the early 1940s which aimed at eradicating homosexuality. They stink of eugenics. There is a danger that extreme homophobic regimes may try to use these experimental results to change the orientation of gay people."

    Udo Schuklenk, Professor of Bioethics at Glasgow Caledonian University, who has "written to the researchers pressing them to stop", added: "I don't believe the motives of the study are homophobic, but their work brings the terrible possibility of exploitation by homophobic societies. Imagine this technology in the hands of Iran, for example. It is typical of the US to ignore the global context in which this is taking place."

    Professor Charles Roselli, the Health and Science University biologist heading the research programme, defended his work with: "In general, sexuality has been under-studied because of political concerns. People don't want science looking into what determines sexuality."

    Michael Bailey, a neurology professor at Northwestern University near Chicago, risked the wrath of the gay community by stating: "Allowing parents to select their children’s sexual orientation would further a parent's freedom to raise the sort of children they want to raise."
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    Jan 08, 2007 3:38 AM GMT
    ok i didn't read the article but i say opjening the skull i say tat's just completely tripped out.
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    Jan 10, 2007 6:06 PM GMT
    No need to freak out. The Times article misrepresented the research to a huge extent. The scientists who conducted the study have been feverishly trying to get the real findings out. Although I am sure some in the anti-gay community will grasp on to it, they'll find it about as effective as all of the current efforts to "treat" homosexuality.
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    Jan 10, 2007 11:05 PM GMT
    Yes, this has frightening aspects to it, and the spectre of mass abortions of potentially gay babies or the mis-use of hormone therapy by less-than-ethical regimes lend emotional impact to the story. But, it appears livestock economics are going to force this discovery whether we like it or not (apparently rams are "gay" about 8% of the time, and 8% of ewes are "asexual" -- they don't make sheep strap ons yet). So, might as well look at the bright side (because if I don't I won't be able to sleep at night).

    A comentator in The Independent (UK) made the observation that the ultrasound, while facilitating the abortion of untold numbers of female fetuses (sp?) in China, is presently central to curing untold numbers of others. And, while some Asian and Black groups opposed investigation into the genetic bases of racial/ethnic differences, this research has led to a better understanding of diseases that appear prevalently in various racial groups (e.g., sickle cell).

    So the upside here? In the long term, a better understanding of the human body (knowledge is always good), and potential cures for sex-related developmental maladies, neurological injury, and hormonal imbalances. In the short term, a strengthened stance that homosexuality is not a conscious choice (conscious choice being the basis of any real secular "Gay-is-bad" argument), and the benefit that people who think that sexuality is biologically determined are more likely to support gay rights than their "you chose to like cock" counterparts.

    Oh, and cheaper wool sweaters. That too.
  • DiverScience

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    Jan 31, 2007 9:12 PM GMT
    If you look at the main researchers history it becomes clear how twisted these reports are.

    Most of the data on how terrible the experiments are has come from PETA (and much of it is actually total garbage).

    For example, there's little reason to use electrodes to measure that kind of activity when they could use a less invasive technique (like CT or MRI) given that the info they get would be MORE limited than using non-invasive techniques.



    The guy does farm research. He always has. When dealing with a food/textiles crop you try really hard to breed certain traits true. There is no point in trying to breed X ram and Y ewe if X ram doesn't like girls. This is actually a serious problem in sheep breeding, not a veiled plot to mess with humans.
  • DiverScience

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    Jan 31, 2007 9:12 PM GMT
    If you look at the main researchers history it becomes clear how twisted these reports are.

    Most of the data on how terrible the experiments are has come from PETA (and much of it is actually total garbage).

    For example, there's little reason to use electrodes to measure that kind of activity when they could use a less invasive technique (like CT or MRI) given that the info they get would be MORE limited than using non-invasive techniques.



    The guy does farm research. He always has. When dealing with a food/textiles crop you try really hard to breed certain traits true. There is no point in trying to breed X ram and Y ewe if X ram doesn't like girls. This is actually a serious problem in sheep breeding, not a veiled plot to mess with humans.
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    Mar 07, 2007 2:33 AM GMT
    What i do not get is why parents should be allowed to change that, I think we should just let it be. What is next, say that you want a girl and changed the fites to that of a girls though shots?
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    Mar 07, 2007 5:18 AM GMT
    Im just curious how in the hell do they know the sheep are gay......did the sheep step up to the plate and verbally say Im queer........I dont get it
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    Mar 07, 2007 3:29 PM GMT
    And while we are on the subject,,,,these scientist need to put there money to good use and spend time on trying to figure out the crimminal mind and chanthat for the better instead of wasteing time playing with lil sheep.....
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    Mar 07, 2007 7:26 PM GMT
    From a business perspective you do not want your breeding livestock to be homosexual. Homosexuality among live stock is actually a big problem not only for sheep but cattle. It's written extensively in trade publiations. No one really knows for sure why. My theory is the males used in breeding have way too much testosterone, which is what causes homosexual (alpha) behavior.
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    Mar 08, 2007 12:41 AM GMT
    well thanks for the info. But I still think they need to leave the lil sheep alone :O(
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    Mar 23, 2007 5:39 PM GMT
    Cattle...gay...huh??? I'm stil trying to wrap my head around the concept of a gay sheep
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    Apr 16, 2007 9:42 PM GMT
    Where can I get one of these sheep before they are all changed?
  • MikemikeMike

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    Apr 16, 2007 11:00 PM GMT
    I'm sure if the sheep could talk and were asked would u want to stop humping male sheep- They would say naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
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    Aug 28, 2007 3:24 PM GMT
    I would so love to have a gay petting Zoo lol NYGreatHeights does have a point though at least this proves that we don't all choose to be gay. Ow my skull! oh my god vagina never looked so appealing! Just kidding I'm strictly Dickly anyway who wants to help me start my gay petting Zoo?

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    Nov 27, 2007 5:06 AM GMT
    i will make those scientists become gay! hehe.....
    i think i can be one of them if i want, but they can't straighten me, i will make them gay! icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_razz.gificon_razz.gificon_razz.gificon_razz.gif