So can we finally admit the Tea Party is full of racists?

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    Apr 16, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
    From Crooks & Liars:

    http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/republican-tea-partiers-just-cant-se

    Republicans seem to have a really, really narrow idea of what constitutes racism -- which is how they're able to claim that the Tea Parties aren't riddled with racism throughout.

    But then little stories like this one from Orange County keep bubbling up to the surface of their fetid little Tea Party cesspool:

    The Weekly has obtained a copy of an email sent to fellow conservatives this week by Marilyn Davenport, a Southern California Tea Party activist and member of the central committee of the Orange County Republican Party.

    Under the words, "Now you know why no birth certificate," there's an Obama family portrait showing them as apes.


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    As always, the "sweet little old lady" who sent the mail had no idea that anyone might possibly construe the mail as racist, even though comparing black people to various kinds of apes has always been a stock feature of racist denigration in America. Why, some of her best friends are black!

    Reached by telephone and asked if she thought the email was appropriate, Davenport said, "Oh, come on! Everybody who knows me knows that I am not a racist. It was a joke. I have friends who are black. Besides, I only sent it to a few people--mostly people I didn't think would be upset by it."

    The image did upset several local Republicans.

    "It's unbelievable," one high-ranking OC GOP official told me. "It's much more racist than the watermelon email. I can't believe it was sent out. I'm not an Obama fan but how stupid do you have to be to do this?"

    Another GOP official, who also asked not to be identified, said that Davenport is "a really, really sweet old lady so I am surprised to hear about this."

    Scott Baugh, chairman of the OC Republican Party, told Davenport that the email was tasteless, Davenport--a Fullerton-based political activist--admitted to me during the telephone interview.

    "You're not going to make a big deal about this are you?" she asked me. "It's just an Internet joke."

    But Baugh believes the email is a big deal.

    "When I saw that email today I thought it was despicable," Baugh said. "It is dripping with racism and it does not promote the type of message Orange County Republicans want to deliver to the public. I think she should consider stepping down as an elected official."

    And just remember: There's nothing, NOTHING racist about those Tea Partiers, either. Just another isolated incident. Move along, please.
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    Apr 17, 2011 12:13 AM GMT
    The text you posted contained expressions from other Republicans disapproving of this. Also a link posted by q... below, and several excerpts from the link also sharply rebuked this. The facts from both your link and this link clearly show one person was behind this, and other local Republican officials condemned it in no uncertain terms.

    Which brings us to your thread title: "So can we finally admit the Tea Party is full of racists?" I am very surprised and disappointed at your action. I have always known you were highly driven by your ideology, and always picked facts that supported your interpretation, often stretched interpretations to fit your agenda, but I thought you were a basically honest person. Unless this was a lapse in judgement that you choose to correct (and I hope you do), it shows a complete lack of integrity on your part. Now you can't be trusted to accurately present facts, let alone make interpretations. Very unfortunate. From now on, not only the interpretations in your messages should be taken with a grain of salt, but also the "facts" you present.

    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/04/racist_orange_county_republica.php

    The image did upset several local Republicans.

    Scott Baugh, chairman of the OC Republican Party, told Davenport that the email was tasteless, Davenport--a Fullerton-based political activist--admitted to me during the telephone interview.

    "You're not going to make a big deal about this are you?" she asked me. "It's just an Internet joke."

    But Baugh believes the email is a big deal.

    "When I saw that email today I thought it was despicable," Baugh said. "It is dripping with racism and it does not promote the type of message Orange County Republicans want to deliver to the public. I think she should consider stepping down as an elected official."

    Michael J. Schroeder, an Orange County resident and former chairman of the California Republican Party, also said he was disgusted.
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    Apr 17, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    I always have problems with the idea that because some people in a party (or movement) are deplorable that we get to label the entire party as such.

    From Canadian politics (recently) and concerning a Liberal candidate for the upcoming election. This is a man who made it through the vetting process for a major party which seeks to represent itself as the choice for minorities and as "sensitive." The following has barely become an issue despite this fact (though I suppose if it were a Conservative who said and wrote these things we would never hear the end.)

    "Forbes (the former candidate) is the founder and former spokesperson for the Association for the Rights of Whites... In an October 2004 interview with L'actualite, Forbes asked if a reporter knew "how much a featherhead costs?" He then went to suggest that it cost the government twice as much to fulfill its responsibilities to aboriginals than it did to do the same for prisoners."

    Forbes was listed as the contact person for a Metis Cote-Nord letter published January 2009 which asks: "If our Metis community was made of Muslims, homosexuals or of an association of old ladies making moccasins out of caribou skin, would Hydro-Quebec consult with us? Yes."

    The above incident did not make me look at the Liberal party any differently than I did, and the picture emailed out by a tea party member does not make me believe that the entire movement is made up of racists... The simple fact is that you can argue that there are more racists in the tea party, but I don't think you can argue that the entire movement is racist based on incidents (I am aware there are others.) I also don't believe that anybody would argue that the entire Liberal party is bigoted based on a few candidates. The day after Iggy fired Forbes another Liberal candidate (a former judge) issued an apology for saying that there are different degrees of sexual assault and that some should not be prosecuted and do not deserve prison time (it was an actual case that he commented on.) Ignatieff accepted the apology, the judge remains a Liberal candidate and most people are not going to judge the entire party based on one insensitive, stupid remark. (Though, again, I think it is safe to argue that if the judge were a Conservative candidate we would not hear the end of how sexist the party is- there seems to be a lot more good will and forgiveness when it comes to saying stupid, bigoted, racist things towards one party than there is the other...)

    Having said that, hopefully the tea party was smart enough to publicly condemn this woman and boot her unceremoniously.
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    Apr 17, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidWhich brings us to your thread title: "So can we finally admit the Tea Party is full of racists?" I am very surprised and disappointed at your action. I have always known you were highly driven by your ideology, and always picked facts that supported your interpretation, often stretched interpretations to fit your agenda, but I thought you were a basically honest person. Unless this was a lapse in judgement that you choose to correct (and I hope you do), it shows a complete lack of integrity on your part. Now you can't be trusted to accurately present facts, let alone make interpretations. Very unfortunate. From now on, not only the interpretations in your messages should be taken with a grain of salt, but also the "facts" you present.


    You're kidding, right? How many Tea Party officials, members, and rallies chock full of racists and with racist depictions of the president do you need to see before you realize that a healthy portion of what motivates the Tea Party is that there is a black man in the White House? icon_rolleyes.gif

    For 8 years, Bush spent, started illegal wars, defied the Constitution and not a fucking peep from the "tea party." But as soon as a black man's in the White House, they find their outrage? Maybe you're that naive, but speaking as someone who actually knows black people, I'm not.
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    Apr 17, 2011 12:47 AM GMT
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    And we could go on and on...

    I'm disappointed you would try to make such a weak case christian. Monkeys are used to denote stupidity, unless of course you're insinuating that blacks resemble monkeys and therefore should be more offended when they are humorously compared to one?
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    Apr 17, 2011 1:19 AM GMT
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    I'm disappointed you would try to make such a weak case christian. Monkeys are used to denote stupidity, unless of course you're insinuating that blacks resemble monkeys and therefore should be more offended when they are humorously compared to one?

    To be fair, there are differences. First, this one was referring specifically to his linage and birth. Also, I grew up in an area where some people were still openly racist enough that I recall hearing the term "monkey" used both to denote stupidity as well as race.

    Yes, based on the fact that he is African American and the term has historically been used by some as a racial slur I would think that avoiding it (especially if you are tied to politics or in the public eye) would be a good idea.

    I often can be heard referring to various contractors as "monkeys" (Without exaggeration, at least 5X a day the word will pass my lips.) None have ever been black, but I did wonder as recently as last Thursday if I would call an incompetent contractor a monkey if he were black. I had based this on the idea that if he ever overheard me he may well misunderstand and take it out of context (not knowing that I refer to the majority of contractors,and occasionally myself as a monkey.)

    While I believe that I should be allowed to refer to an incompetent contractor as a monkey without discrimination to race I also am realistic enough to know that calling any African American a "monkey" whether used as a racial slur or to denote competence is a bad idea... I find it sad that the author of this email was unable to see that it could be an issue, particularly as she has "black friends."

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    Apr 17, 2011 2:08 AM GMT
    The context is quite clear.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
    Ape
    (U.S.) a black person.[9]
    Monkey
    (UK) a black person.[126]


    For people who belong to a party that tends to not believe evolution, the irony is evident. Simply derogatory, insulting, and unnecessary.
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    Apr 17, 2011 2:11 AM GMT
    @Mock - The case is not weak. The Tea Party is two years old and how many incidents of racial slurs against the president have we seen from them? 10? 20? Once a month or so it seems to me. If they don't wan to be called racists, they should show those that behave that way the door.

    @Q - Yes. The context is very clear.
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    Apr 17, 2011 2:56 AM GMT
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    And we could go on and on...

    I'm disappointed you would try to make such a weak case christian. Monkeys are used to denote stupidity, unless of course you're insinuating that blacks resemble monkeys and therefore should be more offended when they are humorously compared to one?




    I'm pretty internet savvy.....since 1998.

    I HAVE NEVER EVERY SEEN THOSE PICS EVER POSTED ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET


    # That last pic i have seen BUT NEVER EVER NEVER with a monkey next to it.


    NEVER.....EVER....SEEN....THOSE....PICS
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    Apr 17, 2011 3:00 AM GMT
    I HAVE NEVER SEEN THESE PICS ON THE INTERNET.....Let alone a ELECTED DEMOCRATIC OFFICIAL posting anything like this on one of their web sites....


    MOCKTWINKIE.....

    POST THE NAME OF A DEMOCRATIC ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO POSTED ANY OF THESE PICS THAT YOU POSTED.



    We have PROOF THAT a REPUBLICAN Posted monkey pics of Obama


    NOW, YOU NEED TO TELL US THE NAME OF A ELECTED REPUBLICAN OFFICIAL WHO HAS POSTED MONKEY PICS OF BUSH




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    Apr 17, 2011 11:33 AM GMT
    Without the caption of the email, you can potentially say it was to use the imagery to comment on Obama's intelligence. With the caption, there's no other way of taking the statement except to equate blacks to something subhuman, which has been the historical case when depicting blacks.

    Really depressing reading ahead (read them in full if you want the historical context):

    http://scienceblog.com/cms/americans-still-linking-blacks-apes-15428.htmlThe paper, “Not Yet Human: Implicit Knowledge, Historical Dehumanization and Contemporary Consequences,” is the result of a series of six previously unpublished studies...
    The research took place over six years at Stanford and Penn State under Eberhardt’s supervision. It involved mostly white male undergraduates. In a series of studies that subliminally flashed black or white male faces on a screen for a fraction of a second to “prime” the students, researchers found subjects could identify blurry ape drawings much faster after they were primed with black faces than with white faces. The researchers consistently discovered a black-ape association even if the young adults said they knew nothing about its historical connotations. The connection was made only with African American faces; the paper’s third study failed to find an ape association with other non-white groups, such as Asians. Despite such race-specific findings, the researchers stressed that dehumanization and animal imagery have been used for centuries to justify violence against many oppressed groups.

    “Despite widespread opposition to racism, bias remains with us,” Eberhardt said. “African Americans are still dehumanized; we’re still associated with apes in this country. That association can lead people to endorse the beating of black suspects by police officers, and I think it has lots of other consequences that we have yet to uncover.”

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201101/black-person-or-ape
    Phillip Goff, a psychologist at Penn State University, and colleagues recently tested Americans implicit associations between Black people and apes. Implicit associations (as opposed to conscious, explicit associations) are largely unconscious and automatic. As such, they are arguably well suited to measure people's true attitudes (as opposed to what they tell you when you explicitly ask them).

    In one study, these researchers subliminally primed participants with White or Black faces. The task for the participants was too correctly identify the images they later saw as quickly as possible. All participants were then shown an image of an ape, that became progressively more clear with each passing image.

    When primed with Black faces, participants took fewer slides to correctly identify the image as an Ape. This suggests that the Black faces increased the cognitive accessibility (the thought level) of apes, which suggests that people associate Black people with apes.

    In a second study, these researchers examined historical documents of executions. They found that Black defendents were more likely to have animal words used to describe them. And further, the more animal words were used to describe the criminals in these trials, the more likely the person was to be executed.
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    Apr 17, 2011 2:18 PM GMT
    The only thing this proves is that someone identified as a tea party member has poor taste and judgement that may or may not be racially driven. There are racists in every party, not just the tea party.
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    Apr 17, 2011 2:41 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe only thing this proves is that someone identified as a tea party member has poor taste and judgement that may or may not be racially driven. There are racists in every party, not just the tea party.
    That, I will heartily agree with.
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    Apr 17, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie said

    I'm disappointed you would try to make such a weak case christian. Monkeys are used to denote stupidity, unless of course you're insinuating that blacks resemble monkeys and therefore should be more offended when they are humorously compared to one?

    To be fair, there are differences. First, this one was referring specifically to his linage and birth. Also, I grew up in an area where some people were still openly racist enough that I recall hearing the term "monkey" used both to denote stupidity as well as race.

    Yes, based on the fact that he is African American and the term has historically been used by some as a racial slur I would think that avoiding it (especially if you are tied to politics or in the public eye) would be a good idea.

    I often can be heard referring to various contractors as "monkeys" (Without exaggeration, at least 5X a day the word will pass my lips.) None have ever been black, but I did wonder as recently as last Thursday if I would call an incompetent contractor a monkey if he were black. I had based this on the idea that if he ever overheard me he may well misunderstand and take it out of context (not knowing that I refer to the majority of contractors,and occasionally myself as a monkey.)

    While I believe that I should be allowed to refer to an incompetent contractor as a monkey without discrimination to race I also am realistic enough to know that calling any African American a "monkey" whether used as a racial slur or to denote competence is a bad idea... I find it sad that the author of this email was unable to see that it could be an issue, particularly as she has "black friends."



    You don't achieve equality unless you actually start treating others as though they are equal. That means that if you don't like bush and you decide that you want to compare him with a monkey, you do the same thing if you don't like Obama. Not that comparing anyone to a monkey is a nice thing to do in the first place, but we'll leave that up to the person.
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    Apr 17, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]mocktwinkie said...
    You don't achieve equality unless you actually start treating others as though they are equal...[/quote]



    try looking in the mirror and saying this, mock.


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    rnch said[quote][cite]mocktwinkie said...
    You don't achieve equality unless you actually start treating others as though they are equal...




    try looking in the mirror and saying this, mock.


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    I did. Now what?
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    Apr 17, 2011 3:05 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    rnch said[quote][cite]mocktwinkie said...
    You don't achieve equality unless you actually start treating others as though they are equal...




    try looking in the mirror and saying this, mock.


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    I did. Now what?[/quote]

    He won't get it, rnch. It's the same Mock that stated all businesses should be able to discriminate in any way they want, be it race, sexual orientation, physical disability or anything else for that matter. Apparently it's OK for elected representatives to do that, too.

    'Let the market decide." he said.

    Then when protests and boycotts were happening at Target he dismissed them.

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    Apr 17, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    LOL .................

    I Idea that Teabaggers are racist has serious merit

    Are all baggers racist? .... definitely not
    But apologists .................. when there's a racist Where are they gonna go???

    They sure as hell ain't gonna be in the democratic party ... that's for sure
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    mocktwinkie said
    rnch said[quote][cite]mocktwinkie said...
    You don't achieve equality unless you actually start treating others as though they are equal...




    try looking in the mirror and saying this, mock.


    icon_idea.gif


    I did. Now what?


    He won't get it, rnch. It's the same Mock that stated all businesses should be able to discriminate in any way they want, be it race, sexual orientation, physical disability or anything else for that matter. Apparently it's OK for elected representatives to do that, too.

    'Let the market decide." he said.

    Then when protests and boycotts were happening at Target he dismissed them.

    [/quote]

    Oh boy, back to the narrow-minded duo!
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    Apr 17, 2011 9:18 PM GMT
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    And we could go on and on...

    I'm disappointed you would try to make such a weak case christian. Monkeys are used to denote stupidity, unless of course you're insinuating that blacks resemble monkeys and therefore should be more offended when they are humorously compared to one?




    No, you're wrong.
    And, you just inadvertently showed your racist hand.
    Portraying a black man as an ape is racist.
    Portraying a white man as an ape is not racist.
    It would be analogous to calling me (a white man) a nigger.
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    Apr 17, 2011 9:52 PM GMT
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    And we could go on and on...

    I'm disappointed you would try to make such a weak case christian. Monkeys are used to denote stupidity, unless of course you're insinuating that blacks resemble monkeys and therefore should be more offended when they are humorously compared to one?


    I'm by far not a liberal, but the historical backdrop of associating blacks with apes is highly relevant here. Thus, this isn't really a fair comparison.
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    Apr 19, 2011 1:04 PM GMT
    She STILL hasn't resigned


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    Apr 19, 2011 1:08 PM GMT
    LeanathleticDC saidShe STILL hasn't resigned


    Even though.. oh oh oh ya want her phone number? I called it last night!
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    Apr 19, 2011 1:29 PM GMT
    "Davenport then accused the media of "making much ado about nothing," and indicated she would hunt down the "cowardly" person who leaked the contents of the e-mail."

    Oh, so she's more pissed at the person who leaked the email.


    Sounds like she knew it was offensive and is more pissed at the person who leaked it.


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    Apr 19, 2011 1:31 PM GMT


    "Davenport, who in 2009 defended a former mayor in California for sending a similarly racist e-mail about Obama.


    My my my......


    One would think she knew what she was doing all along.