New Bu introduced today - Thoughts?

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    Apr 19, 2011 5:23 AM GMT
    New Bu introduced today. To be sold in over 100 countries. It's already gotten a bunch of feedback from car related forums, but I was just curious what the reaction to this one is here. It will be priced from $22k to almost $30k.

    I especially like the C - pillar to quarter integration. Very graceful IMO

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    Apr 19, 2011 5:33 AM GMT
    I'm quite into to this both old and new so I'm always curious to know what those who are not especially into cars think.
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    Apr 19, 2011 6:03 AM GMT
    Not impressed. The Camaro-like tail lights look so out of place, and doesn't blend in with the rest of the car. The overall shape/stature of the car reminds of the current Honda Accord. And I've never understood Chevy's decision to make all the grills on their mainstream cars/crossovers the same. The new Malibu would look better if it had a distinct grill. For a $30K GM car, I think I'd opt for the new Buick Regal or Lacrosse.
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    Apr 19, 2011 6:06 AM GMT
    For that price, I'd rather have a used 700 series BMW.
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    Apr 19, 2011 11:59 AM GMT
    DAMMIT!! I thought you were talking about The'Bu - the lonely island vid series...which was hilarious!!


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    Apr 19, 2011 12:43 PM GMT
    Not impressed either. An ipod connection? My 2007 Prius had that years ago. Not exactly cutting edge technology to be featuring in an ad like it's something special. The overall exterior design is very blahhhh. Looks like a dozen other cars out there. The interior does look very slick though.
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    Apr 19, 2011 1:46 PM GMT
    Compared to the yawnry, crapcord and blahtima, it's a masterpiece. Sure, it wont sell as many, seeing as the lemmings who like boring will keep those on top, but it should be a hit. Looks great and will likely drive well too; and thats two things no one can say about any of the sedans from toyota honda or nissan.
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    Apr 19, 2011 2:25 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidFor that price, I'd rather have a used 700 series BMW.


    I had a bay area friend give that a try and you not only have to figure in what you pay for it, which wasn't so bad, but the $1,000 per month he spends keeping it on the road. So he got rid of that one and got another and ditto.
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    Apr 19, 2011 2:30 PM GMT
    Builtsoon saidCompared to the yawnry, crapcord and blahtima, it's a masterpiece. Sure, it wont sell as many, seeing as the lemmings who like boring will keep those on top, but it should be a hit. Looks great and will likely drive well too; and thats two things no one can say about any of the sedans from toyota honda or nissan.


    Yeah, I saw the new Civic and they could have a very tough time against the Fiesta / Focus and the Cruze. Shocking that I think I can finally say that the interior advantage goes hugely Ford and GM's way. I think Honda has really lost their way with the Insight, CRZ, Accord (to some extent) and the worst of all - the Honda Crosswhore.
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    Apr 19, 2011 2:46 PM GMT


    yuk!

    Why the massive oversized grille?
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    Apr 19, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
    Thisuserexists said

    yuk!

    Why the massive oversized grille?


    The bulbous nose is due to the fact that the car is to be sold in all markets and to meet the European pedestrian impact standards, this is what you have to do. There has to be crush space between the sheet metal and any fixed mechanical components underneath. Look at recent Audis and the pig snout on the front of the new 7 series. However, that’s the one design element that I don’t care for so much.
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    Apr 19, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
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    yuk!

    Why the massive oversized grille?


    The bulbous nose is due to the fact that the car is to be sold in all market and to meet the European pedestrian impact standards this is what you have to do. There has to be crush space between the sheet metal and any fixed mechanical components underneath. Look at recent Audis and the pig snout on the front of the new 7 series. However, that’s the one design element that I don’t care for so much.


    Is that really true?

    The eurpoean models would have smaller more advanced engines, so surely that would save space.

    and I've never seen the front of an Audi look like that!
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    Apr 19, 2011 3:06 PM GMT
    New Bu should be fine if it's still an Opel.icon_idea.gif
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    Apr 19, 2011 3:30 PM GMT
    MarriedAdam saidNew Bu should be fine if it's still an Opel.icon_idea.gif


    Epsilon 2, both short WB and long WB are being sold all over the world. True, Insignia was the first from the new platform and was to be the new Saturn Aura until the demise of Saturn. Then as we all know became the Regal. Long Epsilon are the Lacrosse, soon to be XTS and then the next PIMPala.
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    Apr 19, 2011 3:33 PM GMT
    Thisuserexists said
    OneGeezer said
    Thisuserexists said

    yuk!

    Why the massive oversized grille?


    The bulbous nose is due to the fact that the car is to be sold in all market and to meet the European pedestrian impact standards this is what you have to do. There has to be crush space between the sheet metal and any fixed mechanical components underneath. Look at recent Audis and the pig snout on the front of the new 7 series. However, that’s the one design element that I don’t care for so much.


    Is that really true?

    The eurpoean models would have smaller more advanced engines, so surely that would save space.

    and I've never seen the front of an Audi look like that!
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    http://www.edmunds.com/car-safety/protecting-pedestrians-through-vehicle-design.html

    And Audi is exactly what I'm talking about

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2010/11/la-auto-show-audi-a7-sportback.html

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    Apr 19, 2011 3:54 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidNot impressed either. An ipod connection? My 2007 Prius had that years ago. Not exactly cutting edge technology to be featuring in an ad like it's something special. The overall exterior design is very blahhhh. Looks like a dozen other cars out there. The interior does look very slick though.

    The "garage door" screen has been used by other cars, though not typically in this price range from a US manufacturer. And yes, our 2008 has a USB port, voice commands, Bluetooth cell phone link, satellite, etc, etc. And I especially like the fact the USB in ours can be used to charge our cell phones with a common computer wire connection, no need to buy bulky proprietary charger units and store them in the car for each phone. I didn't see any trick interior lighting, like ours also has (with a choice of 7 switch-controlled colors), but maybe it will.

    As for exterior styling, it's not bad. Having a unified corporate look is very common throughout the world, something another poster commented about. Have you ever seen a BMW grill that didn't look like a BMW grill? And US companies have done some of that before, with Ford also pulling it's models closer together in general appearance in recent years.
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    Apr 19, 2011 4:03 PM GMT
    looks like the new taurus by ford but its just bland GM has been struggling with this for years
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    Apr 19, 2011 5:53 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidNot impressed either. An ipod connection? My 2007 Prius had that years ago. Not exactly cutting edge technology to be featuring in an ad like it's something special. The overall exterior design is very blahhhh. Looks like a dozen other cars out there. The interior does look very slick though.

    The "garage door" screen has been used by other cars, though not typically in this price range from a US manufacturer. And yes, our 2008 has a USB port, voice commands, Bluetooth cell phone link, satellite, etc, etc. And I especially like the fact the USB in ours can be used to charge our cell phones with a common computer wire connection, no need to buy bulky proprietary charger units and store them in the car for each phone. I didn't see any trick interior lighting, like ours also has (with a choice of 7 switch-controlled colors), but maybe it will.

    As for exterior styling, it's not bad. Having a unified corporate look is very common throughout the world, something another poster commented about. Have you ever seen a BMW grill that didn't look like a BMW grill? And US companies have done some of that before, with Ford also pulling it's models closer together in general appearance in recent years.


    I guess my point would be that the new Bu is pretty slick at the price point. I still don't care for the bulbous front on this and on the 2013 XTS, but I understand why they have to do that. I didn't much care for it on Audis or the new 7 series either, but it makes sense for the same reason.

    Commercial real estate has been real difficult over the last 2 ½ years. Activity is picking up, but due to the difficulty or impossibility getting construction financing over the last three years, there's almost nothing new coming out of the ground so now we have a product shortage.

    I’m going cheap this time for a work car. Plus I drive so much back here that fuel economy is a factor. I was going to do the 2012 Focus, but then I saw this and now I’m not so sure.
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    Apr 19, 2011 6:12 PM GMT
    OneGeezer saidI’m going cheap this time for a work car. Plus I drive so much back here that fuel economy is a factor. I was going to do the 2012 Focus, but then I saw this and now I’m not so sure.

    The 2012 Focus is a brand-new car, it's reliability unknown. Fords have done really well in recent years among US brands for reliability, I believe the top-rated as a corporate average. Their Fusion has done extremely well, in both gas & hybrid versions, perhaps a tad smaller than the Malibu but very close.

    I really pay attention to reliability ratings, since all the slick styling in the world becomes meaningless to me if the damn thing won't run right, and is always in the shop. Our 2008 is a humble little Focus, though I offered my partner a Lincoln. He refused, insisted on a small 4-cylinder for his local city car, and he loves Fords, didn't want anything foreign. OK, a gift is worthless if it's not what the person really wants, so a Focus he got.

    It's now 3 years old, and NOTHING has gone wrong with it. Zero, zip, zilch, nada. It only sees the dealer for routine service. Still looks in good shape, doesn't feel worn out & tired, holding up very nicely for a very inexpensive car. But who knows with the 2012 Focus? I usually avoid a car's very first year in production, which would include the Malibu. Some first-year GM products have been notorious, Chryslers even worse.
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    Apr 19, 2011 6:36 PM GMT
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    OneGeezer saidI’m going cheap this time for a work car. Plus I drive so much back here that fuel economy is a factor. I was going to do the 2012 Focus, but then I saw this and now I’m not so sure.

    The 2012 Focus is a brand-new car, it's reliability unknown. Fords have done really well in recent years among US brands for reliability, I believe the top-rated as a corporate average. Their Fusion has done extremely well, in both gas & hybrid versions, perhaps a tad smaller than the Malibu but very close.

    I really pay attention to reliability ratings, since all the slick styling in the world becomes meaningless to me if the damn thing won't run right, and is always in the shop. Our 2008 is a humble little Focus, though I offered my partner a Lincoln. He refused, insisted on a small 4-cylinder for his local city car, and he loves Fords, didn't want anything foreign. OK, a gift is worthless if it's not what the person really wants, so a Focus he got.

    It's now 3 years old, and NOTHING has gone wrong with it. Zero, zip, zilch, nada. It only sees the dealer for routine service. Still looks in good shape, doesn't feel worn out & tired, holding up very nicely for a very inexpensive car. But who knows with the 2012 Focus? I usually avoid a car's very first year in production, which would include the Malibu. Some first-year GM products have been notorious, Chryslers even worse.


    They are having some software glitches with the new version of Synch (whatever it’s called). However, Ford is nailing it so much since Alan Mulally has been there that I expect very few issues and nothing at all like when the previous focus came out. I’m always first in line when something brand new comes out so I’m pretty careful to read the early feedback so I know what to expect.

    Exception being the 2009 Pontiac G8 GT. I waited until I saw reports coming back from drag strips across the country before I dove in, and also I didn’t want the non-metallic solid red on that big of a car and I knew the darker metallic red was coming for 2009. I had the very first 2009 though, and just in time to race at the Ames Tri-Power Nationals and have some fun at Dream Cruise the next week. I had a 6 speed manual GXP ordered, but I didn’t want to wait and no way was I going to drive a rental car to those events. All of my collector cars were out in SoCal at the time.

    Time is money, and although everything is paid for through the factory warranty, I don’t like wasting the time back and forth to the dealer time after time trying to get issues taken care of. My last ten or so GM cars have rarely if ever seen the dealer again and that’s the way I like it. The last trouble car I had was my 1993 STS and since then it’s been pretty smooth sailing through a 95 STS, 95 Z-28 vert, 97 Concours, 98 Vette vert, 2000 DTS, 2002 DTS, 2004 GP GTP, 2007 Saturn Aura, 2009 G8 GT. And I at the very least drag raced all of them. I did some really strange things with a few of them

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    and I never run them hard

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    seriously - never.

    I've done stuff like this for a very long time.

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    Apr 20, 2011 8:13 AM GMT
    OneGeezer said
    Thisuserexists said
    OneGeezer said
    Thisuserexists said

    yuk!

    Why the massive oversized grille?


    The bulbous nose is due to the fact that the car is to be sold in all market and to meet the European pedestrian impact standards this is what you have to do. There has to be crush space between the sheet metal and any fixed mechanical components underneath. Look at recent Audis and the pig snout on the front of the new 7 series. However, that’s the one design element that I don’t care for so much.


    Is that really true?

    The eurpoean models would have smaller more advanced engines, so surely that would save space.

    and I've never seen the front of an Audi look like that!





    http://www.edmunds.com/car-safety/protecting-pedestrians-through-vehicle-design.html

    And Audi is exactly what I'm talking about

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2010/11/la-auto-show-audi-a7-sportback.html



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    I'm sorry the motivation behind the larger grille may be the same, but the end result is certainly not! One is sculpted, the other is 'tacked on'.

    But to compare Audi and Chevrolet design in the same sentence / forum / website is pointless.

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    Apr 20, 2011 8:56 AM GMT
    Ugh, car snobs, so annoying... That said, better than the car it replaces both inside and out. Maybe this time (with Pontiac gone) they'll offer an SS version.
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    I can't be called a car snob, I just like well built cars, I don't understand the draw towards domestically built cars that Americans have, when a lot of the modern versions / brands are of poor quality, poor efficiency and poor reliability.

    Give me a German or Japanese car any day, like anything certain countries produce better products.
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    Apr 20, 2011 3:23 PM GMT
    nv7_ saidUgh, car snobs, so annoying... That said, better than the car it replaces both inside and out. Maybe this time (with Pontiac gone) they'll offer an SS version.


    The 'SS' moniker has never been attached to any Pontiac. If you're talking about the G8 on the Zeta VE platform, I think Chevy is waiting for the VF to become available and then we'll see a Chevy Badged V8 rear wheel drive SS something to finally replace the G8. And if they don’t do it as a big V8, with available manual transmission they shouldn’t even bother. The late and very much lamented G8 GXP sold about 45% as manuals, which is unheard of these days. It’s a very unique demographic who bought that car G8 GT and GXP at about 98% male and hard core car guys. I know a big bunch of these folks and know of no one who doesn’t race their car. This is a group of extremely loyal enthusiasts and we don’t want front wheel drive or V6s. They must have something for this bunch or they will lose them to the new 392 Hemi in the SRT-8s

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    Thisuserexists said

    I can't be called a car snob, I just like well built cars, I don't understand the draw towards domestically built cars that Americans have, when a lot of the modern versions / brands are of poor quality, poor efficiency and poor reliability.Give me a German or Japanese car any day, like anything certain countries produce better products.


    You're just a decade or so behind the times. Things have changed.