Androgel vs. Testosterone Injection

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    Apr 19, 2011 11:09 AM GMT
    I recently completed some labwork with my primary care physician, and found that I have a low testosterone count. She has presented me 2 options. Androgel, or an injectible testosterone called Testosterone Enanthiate.
    I'm looking forward to getting back to normal, and possibly gaining some weight. Any experience with the 2 above? Recommendations?
  • Hunkymonkey

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    Apr 20, 2011 4:56 AM GMT
    androgel is a bit messy. test injections are my preference. my experience with physicians though is that they mis-prescribe the injections, like telling me to do them every 2 weeks, when once a week keeps the test levels in the blood more stable. In that way, androgel is better.
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    Apr 21, 2011 9:18 PM GMT
    I have an appt. with my doctor next week to get a prescription filled...Hopefully I can get her to let me do the injections....Thanks
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    Apr 21, 2011 9:19 PM GMT
    Barracuda saidI have an appt. with my doctor next week to get a prescription filled...Hopefully I can get her to let me do the injections....Thanks


    I would go with IM injections. More effecient method of transmission than Androgel (which is transdermal).
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    Apr 21, 2011 9:29 PM GMT
    Hunkymonkey saidandrogel is a bit messy. test injections are my preference. my experience with physicians though is that they mis-prescribe the injections, like telling me to do them every 2 weeks, when once a week keeps the test levels in the blood more stable. In that way, androgel is better.


    Educate me , please.......

    How does a guy that looks like you go into a Doctor's office and walk out with a prescription for testosterone supplements....? icon_eek.gif
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    Apr 22, 2011 1:25 AM GMT
    Injectable test is always better.
    Androgel is ok, but the alcohol in it will tends to dry out your skin.
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    Apr 22, 2011 1:29 AM GMT
    Hunkymonkey saidandrogel is a bit messy. test injections are my preference. my experience with physicians though is that they mis-prescribe the injections, like telling me to do them every 2 weeks, when once a week keeps the test levels in the blood more stable. In that way, androgel is better.


    Hi. Doc......

    I'm built like a brick shithouse........can you prescribe me some testosterone?

    WTF?
  • Hunkymonkey

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    Apr 22, 2011 5:27 AM GMT
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    Educate me , please.......

    How does a guy that looks like you go into a Doctor's office and walk out with a prescription for testosterone supplements....? icon_eek.gif[/quote]

    your doc will order blood tests for various factors - free and total testosterone, estrogen and estradiol, possibly prolactin and shbg. if your test levels are too low, you get to join the HRT circus. And you get your own pony, too icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 22, 2011 5:31 AM GMT
    I must be slow...but I look at a guy built like you and the last thing I think
    is testosterone deficiency........icon_eek.gif
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    Apr 22, 2011 5:41 AM GMT
    It can come with age, cancer therapy and/or previous exogenous steroid use. I dated a guy who was a former bodybuilder and cycled testosterone for many years. He has become dependent on HTR to maintain adequate test levels. You would never from looking at him.
  • laguna07

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    Apr 22, 2011 5:42 AM GMT
    Hunkymonkey is right on. IM injections (testosterone enanthate) are the better choice and the injections are usually 2xwk or every 4 days to keep blood levels steady. Be sure to understand how to properly inject yourself before self-injecting if that is a choice. It is perfectly legal for a physician to prescribe a testosterone product for a man with below normal levels confirmed by a blood test.
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    Apr 22, 2011 5:48 AM GMT
    I just think it's strange
    for a muscular guy to test deficient as concerns testosterone..........icon_neutral.gif

    So. I can go to my Dr. and get testosterone injections and patches ?
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    Apr 22, 2011 6:56 AM GMT
    "Andropause" came upon me with subtle symptoms. My body stopped making Testosterone 11 years ago when I was 55 years old. My symptoms were uncontrollable crying, no energy, feeling lethargic, low sex drive, erectile dysfunction, hot flashes and depression. The deepest part of the depression would send thoughts of suicide through my mind, even though I had no desire to kill myself. Scary!!!

    I started with a patch I had to wear on my butt. The patch was about the size of the palm of my hand and about 1/4 inch thick. Lots of squishy fun when I sat down. The patch also left an oval ring from the adhesive that was difficult to clean off even with alcohol.

    Next was Androgel. At that time I was married, and had to be careful if I ever laid my bare chest on my wife's bare chest. (Difficult to not do!) Otherwise the testosterone could transfer from me to her through the skin. That's okay if it's another man though! When I applied it, the alcohol fumes would make me dizzy. I had to wait until it was throughly dry before I could put on a shirt. Not good if you are in a hurry! My skin has always been dry and the alcohol in the Androgel dried out my skin even more. When I changed jobs, my new health insurance wouldn't cover the Androgel.

    Now I go to the Veteran's Hospital. The will only cover Generic forms of medication. The VA issued me syringes and 200 mg/mL of Depo Testosterone/Testosterone Cypionate to inject myself. I didn't know how to inject at first, but a friend that was a male nurse, taught me how to give myself the injections. I inject every two weeks, but as one man mentioned here, I do have a tendency to roller coaster up and down within the two week interim.

    In the 11 years I've been using testosterone, I've noticed several things about me that have changed. Most promenade is that I became much more hairy than I was before the testosterone. My penis did increase in size about about a half inch in length and girth. My testicles have shrunk from the size large walnuts to the size of jelly beans. In fact, I can gauge what my testosterone level is during the 2 weeks, by the size of my balls. No, I'm not kidding! My sex drive has become extremely high. My body is 66 years old, but my mind is like a 16 year old boy. I'm strongly horny 24/7. My voice has deepen slightly. My skin toughened up some. I am able to gain muscle with very little work.

    My recommendation would be the injections. All around, in my opinion, injecting is the best choice.

    Murray
  • Hunkymonkey

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    Apr 22, 2011 10:46 PM GMT
    laguna07 saidHunkymonkey is right on. IM injections (testosterone enanthate) are the better choice and the injections are usually 2xwk or every 4 days to keep blood levels steady. Be sure to understand how to properly inject yourself before self-injecting if that is a choice. It is perfectly legal for a physician to prescribe a testosterone product for a man with below normal levels confirmed by a blood test.


    Enanthate shots last about 10-12 days. Cypionate about 8 to 10 days. I found for me that enanthate once a week was sufficient to keep the testo level in my blood high enough throughout. But 1/2 doses 2 times a week works a little better, if you don't mind the extra shots.
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    Apr 22, 2011 10:52 PM GMT
    Testosterone injections almost seem pleasant-
    FurMur1My testicles have shrunk from the size large walnuts to the size of jelly beans

    Do not want.
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    Apr 22, 2011 11:00 PM GMT
    Ok man! I went through the Andro treatment for a sustained time. It works fine. I suffered low testosterone possible for years. It cleared up the lack of focus, made me feel like a roaring LION on a mountain top. I changed my problem with weight gain.
    I've been off the Andro Gel for awhile now. The focus remains. All of the pluses are weight gain, no depression, focus, muscle growth. My libido was fine before. So that didn't change much.


    BUT, i advise you of one thing. You will be at a greater risk of Prostate inflammation. I'll say it again. Beware. I'm just saying. My severe prostatitus was one of the worst experiences ever. Start out with small doses of the hormone. Build it up. Then when one of your fellow work mates say what is up with so and so to others, back off. It is guaranteed to change your personality. Not always for the best. As i was told.....man you have gotten aggressive, what's up!
  • Sparkycat

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    Apr 22, 2011 11:26 PM GMT
    This can be prevented with injections of HCG (human chorianic gonadotropin). It makes the testicles continue to work so they don't shrink.



    bolero_of_fire saidTestosterone injections almost seem pleasant-
    FurMur1My testicles have shrunk from the size large walnuts to the size of jelly beans

    Do not want.
  • Sparkycat

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    Apr 22, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
    I think you're wrong about the prostate inflammation. Many men who are not on hormone replacement therapy experience prostate inflammation. And, if a high testosterone level caused inflammation then many young men with naturally high T levels would have to be treated for prostate problems.



    onefitman saidOk man! I went through the Andro treatment for a sustained time. It works fine. I suffered low testosterone possible for years. It cleared up the lack of focus, made me feel like a roaring LION on a mountain top. I changed my problem with weight gain.
    I've been off the Andro Gel for awhile now. The focus remains. All of the pluses are weight gain, no depression, focus, muscle growth. My libido was fine before. So that didn't change much.


    BUT, i advise you of one thing. You will be at a greater risk of Prostate inflammation. I'll say it again. Beware. I'm just saying. My severe prostatitus was one of the worst experiences ever. Start out with small doses of the hormone. Build it up. Then when one of your fellow work mates say what is up with so and so to others, back off. It is guaranteed to change your personality. Not always for the best. As i was told.....man you have gotten aggressive, what's up!
  • laguna07

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    Apr 23, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle is absolutely correct...everyone is different...different sensitivity to drugs, foods, everything! What works or affects one does not necessarily affect everyone else.
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    Apr 23, 2011 1:48 AM GMT

    The change was chemically in the brain as the doctor suggested.
    It was also used for depression.
    The depression never returned on me. Still strong mentally and focused.
    Yes, i noticed i had become aggressive. So i had to back off. I was like addicted to it. It was mental....
    But, one of the side effects for me was an inflammed prostate.
    I'd do it again if needed.
    Knowing what i do now on how it affected my skin, it's heart healthy, and it helps burn belly fat easier also gained muscle mass. Heck yes, i would.

    Oh dude, yeah the one that suggested milk was a problem as well. Guess what Milk also inflames the prostate for me. .
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    Apr 23, 2011 4:27 AM GMT
    turbobilly saidI just think it's strange
    for a muscular guy to test deficient as concerns testosterone..........icon_neutral.gif

    So. I can go to my Dr. and get testosterone injections and patches ?

    I think you're missing something here. The testosterone helped him maintain and/or gain his muscularity.

    Also, the testosterone alone won't make your ripped/muscular. You still have to workout hard and eat right.
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    Apr 23, 2011 3:58 PM GMT
    My checkup revealed I had low tstosterone levels. I waited a few weeks and had the test done again. Still, very low.

    Even without resistance training, I'm muscular and ripped. Lot's of energy. My only concern is a low sex drive. Really low. And lack of focus.

    I started the patch and within a few days I was very horny to the point of getting a boner in inappropriate circumstances. And having a higher sex drive can be pretty frustrating if your not the type to settle for just anybody, just to get laid. If the right guy doesn't come along that turns you on, your stuck with yourself.

    I hope the testosterone doesn't add weight or any additional muscle. I don't need it.

  • DaytonDames

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    Apr 23, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
    turbobilly said
    Hunkymonkey saidandrogel is a bit messy. test injections are my preference. my experience with physicians though is that they mis-prescribe the injections, like telling me to do them every 2 weeks, when once a week keeps the test levels in the blood more stable. In that way, androgel is better.


    Hi. Doc......

    I'm built like a brick shithouse........can you prescribe me some testosterone?

    WTF?



    too funny dude....yea I don't get how u can acquire muscles and have low testosterone...I'm health practicioner myself..and bloodwork merely coming back indicating low testosterone is not enough evidence for me to initiate my male patient on Testosterone replacement therapy....Now if U came in with low libido and I found no other reason for you low libido then I would consider...
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    May 26, 2011 2:36 AM GMT
    Thanks for this thread...is there a natural approach to increasing testosterone levels, rather than what is being prescribed. I am not against if its medically necessary, but a natural more sustainable in the body would be my approach. I wish some doctors would look at a more holistic approach and natural substances that might have the same effect, but without the side effects of these drugs.

    Also, what caused you to check your levels? I am in my 40's and feel okay, but sometimes my energy levels are down.

    Any further comments appreciated, might ask my physician to check my levels as well.
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    May 26, 2011 11:04 AM GMT
    Barracuda saidI recently completed some labwork with my primary care physician, and found that I have a low testosterone count. She has presented me 2 options. Androgel, or an injectible testosterone called Testosterone Enanthiate.
    I'm looking forward to getting back to normal, and possibly gaining some weight. Any experience with the 2 above? Recommendations?


    Normal how are you feeling now????? You look healthy and fit-do you have a poor diet, are you working out regularly, is it genetic in your family??