What would you describe as the best gay city for all types and why?

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    Apr 21, 2011 4:46 AM GMT
    No I am not packing my bags from Denver yet, but damn...I'm just thinking I don't know sometimes I feel kind of bored here as a gay person. The scene here is very homogeneous (no pun intended lol) and I just think the music out here is so stereotypical gay and just lacks out originality. I spent most of my gay life growing up in Miami/South Beach and the music and the MEN are just so much different. I don't want to sound pretentious but I go out to a bar and think, "damn, where's the guys with the athletic bodies, where are the cute international men?' Every once in awhile I see someone that grabs my attention...But so far since I've been here I've only had 1 guy hit on me that had it going in that department. But he turned out to be a super conservative Christian type that had a boyfriend icon_rolleyes.gif

    I'm saying this not because I'm not happy here, but I get the feeling that after about 2 years I might be ready to go! Out here everyone seems geared to California but I don't think I want to be out there. I'm considering Toronto for the most part, Phoenix, San Diego (I know, California LOL) even San Francisco. Overseas I'm thinking Sydney, Italy, somewhere near the U.K...I thought about the northeast like Philly, Jersey, Boston, DC and NYC but I just think those areas are too pricey, too compact, lots of competition and I don't like the way the apartments are made there unless you have a couple thousand to spend..

    But at the same time I don't want to be in a super-sized mega gay city like Chicago (been there) nor New York because for work reasons those cities are too competitive and it'd take forever to get work in those cities. I'm thinking of a smaller-medium sized city that is rich in a diverse gay culture but at the same time isn't considered 'yucky' like the replies I got here when I mentioned Salt Lake City lol.

    It does not need to be limited to the U.S. either...
  • RD11

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    Apr 21, 2011 4:00 PM GMT
    Toronto is by far one of the best gay cities and I'm not just saying that cause I'm a Torontonian. The Guys are great, multiculturalism is big in this city, which offers a lot of variety in regards to men. We were also the first North American city to accept gay marriage. Come for pride in June, you will have a great time
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    Apr 21, 2011 5:39 PM GMT
    I second that, Toronto is pretty damn awesome, beautiful, clean and safe. Being gay is actually just a normal thing here, its like the people just brushed over the whole "oh but gay is different..." mentality. The gay-bourhood just blends in right with the city (and is actually one of the most well kept areas in terms of landscaping and architecture).
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    Apr 21, 2011 5:41 PM GMT
    Montreal
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    Apr 21, 2011 5:49 PM GMT
    I've been to Italy, and the gay culture isn't great. Even Rome, the capital city, has a dearth of good establishments!

    I found virtually nothing in Venice. You might find something in Milan, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

    Can't really speak for Sydney, but it's the gay capital of Australia and lots of hot guys are down there icon_wink.gif Especially at the beaches.
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    Apr 21, 2011 6:08 PM GMT
    Seattle is pretty good. I liked it not only because of the men, but also the mountain scenery.

    Otherwise, you might do better back in the south Florida area. Wilton Manors is currently Gay Central (not South Beach for at least the last 10 years), along with parts of Fort Lauderdale and Oakland Park.

    Key West remains very gay, but not a lot of career opportunities there, And like happened to South Beach, being consumed by straight investors, pricing everything out of reach. As usual, the gays rescued & restored, the straights moved in and reaped the rewards.

    In time Wilton Manors will go that way, too, but at present it remains gloriously gay. Just yesterday morning at breakfast we sat next to the gay mayor of Wilton Manors, the gay Police Commissioner, and the Chief of Police (not sure about him). We didn't share a table, though we know them, because they appeared to be talking city business together

    So you wanna gay city? Come back down here. But avoid Miami (very homophobic) and Miami Beach (gay-friendly but little else). You will do better here, I know you will. Otherwise, try Seattle. Third choice, Minneapolis. You'd never guess how gay friendly it is. But damn fucking cold!
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    Apr 21, 2011 6:58 PM GMT
    Amsterdam. Such a civil and smart society all around. I love how the gays are integrated with the whole city and don't just get a street or a "section."

    San Francisco, despite the cliche, is another great gay city. Again, stuff for gays is all around, not just the Castro.

    NYC is also pretty great.

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    Apr 21, 2011 8:09 PM GMT
    Toronto, NYC, and Seattle are all great cities. I have been to quite a few, those are my favorite so far.icon_cool.gif
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    Apr 21, 2011 8:11 PM GMT
    LA?
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    Apr 21, 2011 8:21 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    So you wanna gay city? Come back down here. But avoid Miami (very homophobic) and Miami Beach (gay-friendly but little else). You will do better here, I know you will. Otherwise, try Seattle. Third choice, Minneapolis. You'd never guess how gay friendly it is. But damn fucking cold!


    I'm sooo sorry, but I cannot go back down to Miami. I kid you not, last time I went there in December there was just 1 set back after the next It's one of those cities that I've lived at, but now I can't go back.

    Besides that, I need to see snow in the winter LOL. Having 1 season year round is not fun. But, I did like Miami for what it is and it's different from any other city I've gone to. But it'll never work out for me again. I won't even try it again!

    SwimBIkeRun949 saidAmsterdam. Such a civil and smart society all around. I love how the gays are integrated with the whole city and don't just get a street or a "section."


    That's how Denver is, most of the gay activity is centered in Capitol Hill, which is pretty much a bunch of multi-unit older houses turned apartments and cramped interior corridor apartment buildings. Not the type of structure I like living in.
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    Apr 21, 2011 8:23 PM GMT
    RD11 saidToronto is by far one of the best gay cities and I'm not just saying that cause I'm a Torontonian. The Guys are great, multiculturalism is big in this city, which offers a lot of variety in regards to men. We were also the first North American city to accept gay marriage. Come for pride in June, you will have a great time


    I would love to come to Toronto for pride. But it would be even more fun if I could meet you icon_redface.gif
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    Apr 21, 2011 9:32 PM GMT
    brianindenver said
    That's how Denver is, most of the gay activity is centered in Capitol Hill, which is pretty much a bunch of multi-unit older houses turned apartments and cramped interior corridor apartment buildings. Not the type of structure I like living in.


    Have you been to Amsterdam? I've been to both, and I'm failing to see the similarity between Amsterdam and Denver as it relates to being gay. #scratcheshead

    In Amsterdam, you can be gay on the north side, south side, east side, or west side. Conversely, I never got the urge to kiss my bf anywhere in the public's view in Denver.

    I think you need to define what you're looking for, since it sounds like you might be after an "area" that is doused in rainbow flags, salons, shops with display windows containing g-string donned mannequins, designer grocery stores, and gay bars.
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    Apr 21, 2011 9:58 PM GMT
    The only ones I know are Amsterdam and Barcelona.. though I dont think Miami and the area are too bad, especially ft lauderdale and south beach, and san fran seemed ok, but i preferred amsto and barca on teh whole
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 21, 2011 11:13 PM GMT
    Toronto is a great city for gays. It is also great because of its architecture, multiculturalism, and a great public transit system. However if a smaller or medium sized city is more your thing, than check out both Ithaca, NY and Burlington, VT. Those are supposed to be gay friendly, progressive small cities. Rochester, NY is a good medium sized city for gays and it is quite progressive. Columbus, OH is an excellent city for gays. Ohio's largest city offers a very tolerant and accepting environment for gays and it is a very exciting and vibrant city which is in stark contrast to the rest of Ohio especially Dayton, Cincinnati, and the rural southern counties of the state.
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    Apr 21, 2011 11:23 PM GMT
    If anyone tells you Austin, they are straight up lying!! I feel like I'm going crazy here. Must.... get..... out!!
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    Apr 21, 2011 11:32 PM GMT
    ATX611, I agree with you 100% about Austin. That city is horribly overrated and nowhere near as gay friendly and progressive as it is cracked up to be. I lived in Austin for almost ten years. As far as I am concerned, the people of Austin both gay and straight were among the most arrogant and cold hearted bunch of assholes I have ever met. All they did was put down and condemn the rest of Texas and they really loved beating up on Houston, Fort Worth and especially San Antonio. When I lived in Austin, I would always try to save up some money so on longer weekends, I could get out of that town and spend the weekends either in Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, or San Antonio. I regret moving to Austin and living in that town. Nothing there.
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    Apr 22, 2011 12:01 AM GMT
    NYC. The scene is as diverse and multicultural as you can get, yet fusioned and integrated. Come visit and you'll see. icon_biggrin.gif

    Well the work situation is a problem however icon_sad.gif. Just talked to a friend and he's going thru some troubles in this regard...
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    Apr 22, 2011 1:27 AM GMT
    beirut
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    Apr 22, 2011 1:57 AM GMT
    I think it would help if you narrow it in a list. I know it sounds cliche, but it has worked for me in the past, Side A and Side B...the pros and cons of each, what is it that you are looking for in your next move, what you like and do not like, compare cities, work environment, etc. do a bit of research...also RoadBike Rob has a point to travel to a destinations if you can for a long weekend, visit experience and then make a better decision, rather than just move...otherwise you will be doing the same thing in the next few months. Just my suggestion.

    For me, I love San Francisco, although I live in East Bay (Dublin) which is suburb family galore...I can go into the city anytime. I wish I could afford to live in the city but is very expensive. I love that I can go to the beach, mountains, Napa, etc. in a given weekend, and then also explore the culture, museums, and fine restaurants of the area. Also, transportation is well suited, you have BART as well as Cal train, so even if you decide to live in the city you really do not need a car. With everything else, there are good and bad neighbor hoods like every city. I do not feel San Francisco and its surrounding areas overwhelming like NYC or Chicago, rather a small microcosm. Also, I find people whether straight or gay, open friendly, with spirit of innovation, different thinking, etc. I have lived in Florida, New Jersey, S. California etc. and the attitudes are very different. I think because California has always been at the forefront of new ideas, the spirit of the West, Silicon Valley, etc. Additionally, we do get some seasons here like in Denver, we do get snow in the Sierras, and Lake Tahoe were everyone local goes to ski/snow board...we do have a rain and cold weather, and of course fog. Anyways, good luck with your choice.
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    Apr 22, 2011 2:44 AM GMT
    in short, just from where i've lived: berlin > nyc > copenhagen > LA

    for me, berlin is the most incredible city to be gay in. i can't even begin to describe how fun it is there, with all kinds of diverse gay scenes. from my first night there not knowing anyone, i was immediately accepted and made loads of friends, had such a great time. the homos there are really open and friendly. and HORNY! haha. actually sex kind of permeates the city in general... which i personally like icon_razz.gif but yeah, in this regard gay bars/clubs are definitely sleazier than in other cities.
    and i mean, goes without saying that berlin is one of the most gay-friendly and progressive cities in the world, lots of interesting stuff happening, etc...

    nyc doesn't really need any explanation. i think for the US it's the best place to be gay since it also offers some diversity. you have your classic chelsea gay, your hell's kitchen gay, your east village gay, your williamsburg gay... etc icon_razz.gif and each scene is really well-developed and fun. i feel that this encourages guys to also be more open in their tastes in men, which is good. unfortunately, i also find it kinda difficult to meet guys for dating in new york (hookups on the other hand... icon_razz.gif).

    copenhagen has definitely the hottest men (and unaware of their hotness) out of any city i've lived in, really open and friendly and down-to-earth, no big city bitchiness. definitely the best-quality guys i've experienced icon_razz.gif the city is also REALLY progressive, liberal, forward-thinking. unfortunately the gay "scene" itself kinda sucks though, since the city is so post-gay... there are a couple of bars/clubs but i'd say they're pretty lame... most guys in denmark meet online nowadays.

    LA... ugh, i hate being gay in LA. lol. easily the worst city for me. and i say this as a native angeleno who loves LA as a whole... i'm almost resigned to never meeting anyone interesting in LA. it's closed-minded, boring as hell, homogeneous (yeah ok sure there's the silverlake scene but it's really lacking in my opinion...), racist, segregated, pathetic, eternally outdated, materialistic... i could go on icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 22, 2011 3:06 AM GMT
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    RD11 saidToronto is by far one of the best gay cities and I'm not just saying that cause I'm a Torontonian. The Guys are great, multiculturalism is big in this city, which offers a lot of variety in regards to men. We were also the first North American city to accept gay marriage. Come for pride in June, you will have a great time


    I would love to come to Toronto for pride. But it would be even more fun if I could meet you icon_redface.gif[/

    I'll be hereicon_wink.gif
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    Apr 22, 2011 3:22 AM GMT
    brianindenver saidI'm sooo sorry, but I cannot go back down to Miami. I kid you not, last time I went there in December there was just 1 set back after the next It's one of those cities that I've lived at, but now I can't go back.

    I wrote above to AVOID Miami. Miami is not all of south Florida, however. But I agree there is little seasonal change here, except from warm to hot. That's why we're planning to spend Christmas this year in New Hampshire, with snow on the ground.
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    Apr 22, 2011 3:51 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidATX611, I agree with you 100% about Austin. That city is horribly overrated and nowhere near as gay friendly and progressive as it is cracked up to be. I lived in Austin for almost ten years. As far as I am concerned, the people of Austin both gay and straight were among the most arrogant and cold hearted bunch of assholes I have ever met. All they did was put down and condemn the rest of Texas and they really loved beating up on Houston, Fort Worth and especially San Antonio. When I lived in Austin, I would always try to save up some money so on longer weekends, I could get out of that town and spend the weekends either in Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, or San Antonio. I regret moving to Austin and living in that town. Nothing there.


    It's a great town considering its size. Granted, to a certain extent it is overhyped. People that have lived in Austin all their lives don't seem to get that there are bigger and better cities out there. The hippie-type, tree-hugging liberalism here can be nauseating at times. For a gay person, it probably is far from the best place. But as a young adult in general, though, the quality of life in Austin is hard to beat.
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    Apr 22, 2011 3:39 PM GMT
    mnemonick saidin short, just from where i've lived: berlin > nyc > copenhagen > LA

    for me, berlin is the most incredible city to be gay in. i can't even begin to describe how fun it is there, with all kinds of diverse gay scenes. from my first night there not knowing anyone, i was immediately accepted and made loads of friends, had such a great time. the homos there are really open and friendly. and HORNY! haha. actually sex kind of permeates the city in general... which i personally like icon_razz.gif but yeah, in this regard gay bars/clubs are definitely sleazier than in other cities.
    and i mean, goes without saying that berlin is one of the most gay-friendly and progressive cities in the world, lots of interesting stuff happening, etc...

    nyc doesn't really need any explanation. i think for the US it's the best place to be gay since it also offers some diversity. you have your classic chelsea gay, your hell's kitchen gay, your east village gay, your williamsburg gay... etc icon_razz.gif and each scene is really well-developed and fun. i feel that this encourages guys to also be more open in their tastes in men, which is good. unfortunately, i also find it kinda difficult to meet guys for dating in new york (hookups on the other hand... icon_razz.gif).

    copenhagen has definitely the hottest men (and unaware of their hotness) out of any city i've lived in, really open and friendly and down-to-earth, no big city bitchiness. definitely the best-quality guys i've experienced icon_razz.gif the city is also REALLY progressive, liberal, forward-thinking. unfortunately the gay "scene" itself kinda sucks though, since the city is so post-gay... there are a couple of bars/clubs but i'd say they're pretty lame... most guys in denmark meet online nowadays.

    LA... ugh, i hate being gay in LA. lol. easily the worst city for me. and i say this as a native angeleno who loves LA as a whole... i'm almost resigned to never meeting anyone interesting in LA. it's closed-minded, boring as hell, homogeneous (yeah ok sure there's the silverlake scene but it's really lacking in my opinion...), racist, segregated, pathetic, eternally outdated, materialistic... i could go on icon_razz.gif


    Agree with you about Copenhagen! Need I also say that it's pretty international too - I met Germans, Australians, Portuguese, Spaniards, French, Americans as well as native Danes in my short four days there. The Crown Princess is also Australian ^^ Christiania is within the city and is the crazy hippy alternative culture to the more orderly, civilised capital.

    My friend that I was visiting said that Danes tend to go for two things though: they will quickly jump into a relationship (so it seems as if all the Danes have boyfriends), or they're just out for hookups. No in betweens. He also mentioned a bar called 'Cosy', but I heard that it wasn't that great.

    The Copenhagen men for the most part are freaking hot. But it's true that they meet online more these days: boyfriend.dk will be your best friend should you decide to live there.
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    Apr 25, 2011 8:27 PM GMT
    Someone said Beirut. I love the idea of going to cities like Istanbul, Pacha, Czech Republic....you know, cities that you don't really hear about as often as the typical NYC and LA. They seem to be filled with culture.

    Cityaznguy saidNYC. The scene is as diverse and multicultural as you can get, yet fusioned and integrated. Come visit and you'll see. icon_biggrin.gif

    Well the work situation is a problem however icon_sad.gif. Just talked to a friend and he's going thru some troubles in this regard...


    I would love to live in New York, and I have thought about the idea for the past 6 years on and off. I've had offers from friends to move there as well. I just don't think i could afford NYC. I always hear, "if you live here, you're going to have to have 3 roommates and split $1,800 a month of rent in a tiny shabby apartment.."

    Plus it'd probably just be TOO big of a city for me.

    ATX611 saidIf anyone tells you Austin, they are straight up lying!! I feel like I'm going crazy here. Must.... get..... out!!


    Been there, done that. Done the whole gay Texas scene and that's not where I want to go. I need a city with 4 distinct seasons and something more international.

    roadbikeRob said However if a smaller or medium sized city is more your thing, than check out both Ithaca, NY and Burlington, VT. Those are supposed to be gay friendly, progressive small cities.


    LOL, no I didn't mean that small. Of course, I know in all major cities you do have smaller surrounding neighborhoods as well.

    SwimBIkeRun949 said

    Have you been to Amsterdam? I've been to both, and I'm failing to see the similarity between Amsterdam and Denver as it relates to being gay. #scratcheshead


    No, I was not comparing the 2! I was comparing when he said, "unlike cities that just have 1 street or neighborhood for gays". I know Amsterdam and Denver aren't similar because prostitution is publicly displayed there!