Only 63% of Palestinian Arabs (a mere 43% in Gaza) oppose the brutal terrorist murder of an Israeli family, including the stabbing of 2 sleeping children and a baby

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    Apr 21, 2011 9:27 PM GMT
    According to ivy-league trained Arab academics at the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research based in Ramallah (the capital of the provisional Palestinian Arab state):

    http://www.pcpsr.org/survey/polls/2011/p39efull.html
    32% support and 63% oppose the attack in the Itamar settlement

    The percentage of support for the attack increases in the Gaza Strip (51%) compared to the West Bank (20%), among those between the ages of 18-37 years old (37%) compared to those over 37 years old (26%), among supporters of Hamas (51%) compared to supporters of Fateh (23%), among those opposed to the peace process (46%) compared to supporters of the peace process (28%), among the “religious” (37%) compared to the “somewhat religious” (28%), and among students (35%) compared to laborers (26%).


    It comes as no surprise that Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri, speaking of this attack, stated: "we in Hamas completely support the resistance."
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    Apr 22, 2011 5:41 PM GMT
    Aside from the fact that a MAJORITY of Gazans support the murderous attack, there are some other interesting analyses:


    Even 28% of the minority that are "supporters of the peace process" support such murders.
    They believe such attacks achieve gains that can't be attained at the negotiating table.


    The "religious" (37%) support this over the "somewhat religious" (28%) by the same margin (9%) as "students" (35%) over "laborers" (26%).

    For starters, one may question what students are taught.

    The former may not be surprising, but the latter again dispells the myth that terrorism is the product of ignorance/poverty/destitution. University students, unlike laborers, represent the more well-to-do echelon's of society.

    Previous polls similarly show that the well-to-do are more likely to support violence/terrorism than the poor. The well-to-do can better endure the economic and other hardships that are caused by violence/terrorism.

    Ergo it is not poverty that causes terrorism, but vice versa: terrorism causes poverty.

    Prior to the intifada, the PA (including Gaza) was seeing economic growth.
    Since the majority of violence in the "West Bank" ended several years ago, it has undergone economic recovery.

    Gaza will, too, once Hamas abandons violence or Gazans abandon Hamas.
    (If, that is, they are given the opportunity to do so in an election.)
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    Apr 22, 2011 10:43 PM GMT
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U77zl2G5bYs
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    Apr 24, 2011 4:42 PM GMT
    Also this:

    The Fogel family massacre: who really did it?
    http://youtu.be/tZLObsRFTHM

    Note: I recommend you skip from 2:42 to 3:35 to avoid graphic images.
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    Apr 24, 2011 5:38 PM GMT
    Who really killed 1500 Palestinian Children since the begining of 2000' ? '

    Some were killed by Israeli snipers to their heads !!

    Many were killed by the ADF !!!

    and a unfortunate number were killed by Isreali Settlers, some of whom believe according to their leader that its ok to kell 'gentile' or "Palestinian" children because they believe that all other races exist for the Jew?

    Perhaps C4 knows the percentages of which above group can claim responsibilty for the above killings? Anyone else care to give us some numbers ?

    Why is the Fogel Family Tragedy being used and promoted so much by C4 and here in the US by AIPAC, yet they ignore the 1500 Palestiniand children? Propaganda is at work here to make Palestinians look like the violence problem when the reality is that the Violence ratio is heavily weighted about 6 to 1 toward the Israeli side with the Palestinians doing the retaliating, not as the Zionist Fanatic Propaganda would have us believe.
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    Apr 24, 2011 6:16 PM GMT
    In Gaza




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    Apr 24, 2011 7:02 PM GMT
    If anyone thought that ianct (or the rest of them) would simply condemn this brutal murder... guess again.

    First we saw realifedad attempt to explain, excuse, rationalize and justify it as "retaliation". pouncer weighed in with "revenge". Now we have ianct's version of why (to quote jprichva's prediction) "they had it coming".

    Their entire idea (if we can tarnish that word so) is to not only sweep this wrong under the carpet but also the massive support for it based on other alleged wrongs.

    So now ianct conjures the Gaza Beach incident from 2006 (at least a ffew years after the one pouncer falsely claimed happened a few days ago). What ianct and his spam propaganda don't tell you is that said explosion was most likely due to a Hamas mine. It came 8 minutes after Israel fired at terrorists operating a kilometer up the beach.

    Before transferring victims to Israel for treatment, Palestinian Arab doctors took the medically unnecessary (and dangerous) step of surgically removing all the schrapnel they could surgically reach. Not to help the patients, but to remove evidence. One piece that was later recovered did not match any Israeli ordnance.


    As in every war, there were child casualties in Gaza. None, however, had their sloats slit while they slept. Many died because of Hamas' strategy of launching rockets (at Israeli civilians) from behind their own civilian population. If you look at the break down of statistics, most were males and aged 15-17 - of legal fighting age in Islamic tradition. As the Italian journalist reported from the scene:
    Cremonesi also quoted civilians who said Hamas used ambulances to flee from Israeli snipers, and that civilians were forced to stay in their homes, from which Israel Defense Force soldiers were being fired on. According to one man, identified as Abu Issa, 42, of Tel Awwa, "They tried to goad the Israelis on. Sometimes they were only 16 or 17, armed with machine-guns ... They knew they were much weaker, but they wanted the Israelis to fire on our homes so they would be accused of war crimes."

    His cousin, Um Abdallah, 48, said: "On almost all the roofs of the tall buildings that were hit by Israeli bombs there were rocket-launchers or Hamas look-outs. They placed them by the U.N. storehouse that burned down."

    C4 on 23 Jan 2009> Note further that these 16 and 17 year olds - armed with machine-guns, end up being reported as child/civilian casualties.

    So once again we see the Pallywood propaganda stream in action.
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    Indeed, when we look at deaths since the Gaza war, the 19 minors killed were all male and most all of them were aged 15 and up (with a 12, 13 and 14-year old casualty; recall that 75% of the population is female and under age 15, yet only 16% of these victims fall in that group. Which statistically confirms that these are not random murders of children, let alone sleeping in their beds). Indeed, only 1 was killed in his home (when armed terrorists were operating adjacent to it) and at least 7 of these "minors" were armed and engaging in attacks when killed. That's not counting the 14-year old who was attempting to drop cinder blocks ("stones") on soldiers from a rooftop.

    It is precisely this illegal use of child soldiers that makes other children suspects and endangers them.
    But don't expect the usual suspects to condemn that.
    They are willing to sacrifice both the child soldiers and their innocent peers for the gain of then demonizing Israel for killing child soldiers and - inadvertently sometimes killing innocent children.

    Given that more Palestinian Arabs are killed than Israelis are murdered, you'd think that ianct and his ilk would call for the end of violence. To the contrary, his goal is to demonize Israel to perpetuate the violence against it, regardless of how many people (his own, let alone Jews) die in the process.
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    Apr 25, 2011 12:55 AM GMT
    Conclusion: The DUMB FUCK C4, continues to lie and places a motive of Justification on my bringing up that there is endless use of the murdered Fogel family of 5 while 1500 Palestinian children have been killed since 2000, and not a word reported by AIPAC and not a single topic started by Pro ZIOINIST FANATIC C4.

    This DUMB FUCK really has a hard time grasping real numbers and stated motives, but uses his typical ZIONIST PROPAGANDA TACTICS of twisting facts justifying murders and on and on. I note that C4 has yet to address the numbers of Palestinian children killed directly because apparently that fact doesn't fit his ZIONIST PROPAGANDA that Israel is the SUPPOSED VICTIM, he cannot explain how a child of 11 or 12 could be seen as a terrorist while playing with his friends and shot through the head by a sniper. So he tries suggesting their being child soldiers. What GOD DAMN SHITZPAH coming from this UNFEELING AND OBNOXIOUS ZIONIST LIAR !!

    LEERON, (C4) just like you lie in your profile about your age, nearly everytime you post YOU ARE LIEING. Your PATHETIC, are you typical or symtomatic of what ZIONIST LEADERS LIKE LIEBERMAN AND NETANYAHU are ? IF SO YOUR CAUSE IS FUCKED !!!


    Get used to it LEERON, telling the truth about the facts that total numbers killed since 2000, have it that ISRAEL HAS KILLED 6000 (approx) to the 1000 (approx) that the Palestinians killed of Israelies mostly in retaliation, thats an approx. 6 to 1 ration. YOU CANNOT PROPAGANDIZE AWAY THE FACT THAT ISRAEL IS DOING THE LIONS SHARE OF THE VIOLENCE,>>>>>>>>>>>>THE REST OF THE WORLD SEES RIGHT THROUGH THE LIES OF ZIONIST PROPAGANDA. Flood the pages in print and on the net all you want but the facts are getting out, the world doesn't buy your ISRAELI and AIPAC ZIONIST LIES FOR THE CAUSE. ISRAELI VIOLENCE AND CONTINUED SETTLEMENT BUILDING andLIES to cover those actions are not the way forward to show "GOOD FAITH" desires for peace, the tactic of taking as much land as possible to gain the most possible is exposed for what it is. THEFT !!!!

    When are you LEERON and your ZIOINIST FANATIC ILK going to face facts and drop the PROPANGANDA ?

    Why is Israel Killing so many and covering those murders up with propaganda and not reporting them? Yet when 5 Israeli's are killed the Propaganda machine goes into high gear and we hear of it daily, Did you DUMB FUCKS think you could go on forever covering it up ?

    Nothing is justification for murder from any side, but the side with the power and killing the most needs to stop the lies and cover ups if ever there is to be peace.

    The ZIONIST expansions of Settlements and running Palestinians out of their homes has to stop if ever there is to be peace. IF I STEAL FROM YOU, I OWE YOU A RETURN OR FINANCIAL RESTITUTION OF THE STOLEN GOODS WHEN I GO BEFORE A JUDGE, I CANNOT AS THE THIEF GO INTO COURT EXPECTING TO NEGOTIATE TO GET MORE FROM THE PERSON I STOLED FROM. Can you IDIOT ZIONISTS NOT UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE PRINCIPLE ??

    ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS ???
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    Apr 25, 2011 4:48 AM GMT
    Ah, the familiar sight of a "hidden member" stalking and posting after me.
    I can't see what he wrote, but I'm guessing that he's flaming me or at best raising off-topic diversions.

    Just "Report Spam", "Report User" and "Ignore his posts"
    You'll find that reading forums - without such deadweight - is more fluid.

    On the off chance that he did say something relevant or new (not already discussed), if someone other than the usual suspects quotes it (narrowly), I'll be happy to address points of substance (if any).
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    Apr 25, 2011 8:16 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidAh, the familiar sight of a "hidden member" stalking and posting after me.
    I can't see what he wrote, but I'm guessing that he's flaming me or at best raising off-topic diversions.

    Just "Report Spam", "Report User" and "Ignore his posts"
    You'll find that reading forums - without such deadweight - is more fluid.

    On the off chance that he did say something relevant or new (not already discussed), if someone other than the usual suspects quotes it (narrowly), I'll be happy to address points of substance (if any).


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    Well you know LIAR FOR YOUR CAUSE LEERON, it happens to be a "POINT OF SUBSTANCE" that you and your ZIONIST RECONSTRUCTIONISTS repeatedly trounce out this terrible murder of 5 by the Palestinians while you ZIOINIST PROPAGANDISTS totally ignore the approx 6000 documented killings at the hands of Isreali's, from the ADF, SNIPERS ON CHILDREN and from ZIONIST FANATIC SETTLERS (you know, the kind you and Jake got in an arguement about)

    But we all know that this "POINT OF SUBSTANCE"
    is of the issues you as a ONE SIDED FANATIC and the likes of AIPAC, make it a habit to ignore, hence my following your tripe with facts is labeled by you as "SPAM", your quite obvious in this and your one sidedness is QUITE OBNOXIOUS.

    Are you representative of the ZIONIST FANATICS like Lieberman and Netanyahu who keep forwarding the Settlements on Palestinian land ? No F'n wonder there's no peace over there in Israel.

    So when are you here on RJ and when do you suppose Israel will stop the fanatical pointing out of the sliver in the Palestinians eye and take care of the Log in your own eyes ? You know what I mean don't you? You Israeli's kill 6000 or so to the palestinians 1000 in retaliation, thats 6 to 1, when are you going to face up to it that ISRAEL IS THE GROUP WITH THE POWER AND THE REAL AGGRESSOR?

    Care to stop spaming us with propaganda and face the truth like the rest of the world is with ISRAEL AS THE REAL AGGRESSOR ?

    PS, since you frequently complain about an occassional misspelling, kindly just disregard those errors, because I'm sure you get the point here don't you !!
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    Apr 26, 2011 2:04 PM GMT
    On the off chance that he did say something relevant or new (not already discussed), if someone other than the usual suspects quotes it (narrowly), I'll be happy to address points of substance (if any).

    realjock> [silence]

    OK, then it appears that most people already have him on ignore, or even if they don't they either skip over his posts or found nothing of value in it.

    So let's get back to this topic:

    The Fogel family massacre: who really did it?
    http://youtu.be/tZLObsRFTHM
    Note: I recommend you skip from 2:42 to 3:35 to avoid graphic images.

    This video suggests that the teenagers were driven to perpetrate this gruesome murder through societal indoctrination.
    That so few oppose the murder supports that.

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    Apr 26, 2011 2:17 PM GMT
    LEERON !!! When will you address the 1500 Palestinian children killed by SNIPERS, the ADF, and at the hands of ZIONIST FANATIC SETTLERS?

    You embarrass yourself by keeping attention on 5 unfortunate deaths while trying to cover 1500 by your ZIOINIST PROPAGANDA.

    Why the cover ups for all those murders LEERON ?

    Why all the efforts from AIPAC to keep these 1500 murders out of the US media ?

    When are you going to answer these QUESTIONS OF SUBSTANCE ?

    Will you continue to try to pass off SNIPER bullets to the heads of Palestinian children whose ages are around 10, as some necessary effort, due to those children being terrorists? or by some other ZIONIST PROPAGANDA ?

    Your "SHITZPAH" in defense of such actions is a SHAME to your cause !!!
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    Apr 28, 2011 1:14 AM GMT
    What kind of societal indoctrination can not only drive teenagers to murder sleeping children and a baby but for that society to give them thumbs up?



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    Apr 28, 2011 1:35 AM GMT
    This stuff while a shame if true does not negate the need for your answering the questions about the 6000 killed by Israeli's, 1500 of them children, some killed by ISRAELI SNIPERS, some KILLED BY ADF, and many KILLED BY RELIGIOUS FANATIC SETTLERS. Why has ISRAEL TRIED TO COVER UP ALL THESE KILLINGS BY ZIOINIST PROPAGANDA EXCUSES?

    Why LEERON, aren't you telling here about the JEWISH FANATIC ZIONIST SETTLERS WHO BELIEVE THAT ITS OK TO KILL PALESTINIAN CHILDREN, THEY BELIEVE THAT GENTILES ARE FOR THE USE AND BENEFIT OF THE JEWS?? CARE TO TELL US ABOUT THEM ?

    CAN YOU IMAGINE THE TRAINING THEIR CHILDREN RECEIVE UNDER SUCH RELIGIOUS FANATICS, AND HOW THAT MAKES THEIR TEENAGERS FEEL OK ABOUT KILLING PALESTINIANS NEAR THE SETTLEMENTS ?