Let's talk about "the pregnant man".

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    Apr 03, 2008 6:21 PM GMT
    she walked up to me and she asked me to dance, i asked her her name and what i got from her she said Lola

    I think this is one of the most selfish things two adults have ever done.
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    Apr 03, 2008 7:39 PM GMT
    i was pregnant once. some pepto and an enema fixed me right up.
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    Apr 03, 2008 8:06 PM GMT
    Why do you find it selfish?
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    Apr 03, 2008 9:51 PM GMT
    Because in their zeal to exercise their rights, I believe they're going to give birth to a person who'll experience a lifetime of hell over this. This person who 'has the right' to give birth to a biological child is going to deny that child it's mother's own breast. She/he had them removed. Additionally, I don't care about anyone's right to a biological child when in their own backyard there's children in need, desparate need of loving parents.
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    Apr 03, 2008 9:58 PM GMT
    I can't believe I missed this on oprah!icon_mad.gif

    anyways, i think it's fine. a little weird, but fine. if they wanna have a kid and they can, why shouldn't they? the reason there are so many kids in the the foster system is because of parent's who DON'T want them. and anyway, McGay, do you really think THIS particular couple has a good chance of being approved to adopt? doubtful...

    the important thing is that they love and care for the child. if the kid catches grief for their alternative lifestyle parents, the kid is going to have to learn to deal with that. icon_wink.gif

    good luck to all involved.
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    Apr 03, 2008 10:00 PM GMT
    In an overpopulated world, having a kid because it's your right is selfish to me. And the world is definitely overpopulated. There's just not enough of everything to go around, especially love, apparently.
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    Apr 03, 2008 10:02 PM GMT
    as a person who was adopted: i agree.

    i don't see the point of breeding when there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of little people in this country alone who need homes... as if homeless pets wasn't bad enough? homeless babies??? are you fucking kidding me? and the hugest portion of them are neglected or abused on top of it??

    this is yet another reason why i think we should be more worried about internal issues: the united states isn't taking care of its own... why are we spending billions of dollars elsewhere when we have so much need RIGHT HERE?

    how can the richest nation in the history of the world have homeless vets, abandoned children, crumbling infrastructure, etc. ad nauseum???

    as for the trans couple: yes, they CAN breed... but SHOULD they?
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    Apr 03, 2008 10:30 PM GMT
    im so oblivious to the world, i never knew about this till now, i need to get me some cable and a television set

    i think its ok, its not wrong. certainly different and unusual to see, but biologically is it OKAY! The child might face some consequences when it grows up, but i mean, why selfish? its fine, its the joy of giving birth to a new being...its a miracle..and i see nothing wrong with it. Social implications might make it hard, but i believe they are happy and they are making what they want to do and standing up to defend themselves. I say good for them and i hope they have a beautiful baby they can nourish and nurture
  • ShawnTX

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    Apr 03, 2008 10:34 PM GMT
    McGay saidBecause in their zeal to exercise their rights, I believe they're going to give birth to a person who'll experience a lifetime of hell over this.


    This was the same argument that was used (and still is) with gay couples wanting to have children, whether biologically or through adoption. Sure, it's weird because it's not 'normal', and yes that child will probably be put through a lot in school, but that shouldn't stop two people from having a child.

    I don't think they, or anyone else, have children just because it's their right. Having children isn't like buying furniture, it's not about acquiring something (a sofa is a sofa, a child is a child). It's a combination of desiring to have a child, bearing a child, passing along your genes. Yes, it sucks that there are so many neglected children in the world in need of parents, but to suggest that people should stop having their own children and adopt instead is just...bizarre.

    Selfish? Yes, our wants and desires are selfish. They're being just as selfish as 'normal' couples who want children.

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    Apr 03, 2008 10:42 PM GMT
    My question is that if this couple wanted to adopt... would you view that differently? Additionally, this child wouldn't go through any more hell than an adopted child would.

    I personally, think that it's a little fucked up for me. However, I can't see it any differently than if they adopted a child. And if they were denied that, I'm sure that I'd be standing up screaming for their rights to do so.

    So on this one, I have to say that I just hope that they are wise enough to keep themselves and especially the child as far out of the media and public spot light as possible and not exploit the child. Which unfortunately, they have already started doing. Which does add a little backbone to your view on this. And, they better make sure that this child has a great support system in place.

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    Apr 03, 2008 10:46 PM GMT
    I think it's cool that they've been able to conceive a child, but as other posters have mentioned, I wonder about their motivations in doing so. I also tend to agree with McGay here...why not adopt?

    I can understand the impulse folks have to rear a child 'of their own flesh and blood.' If that's what it takes for a couple to feel connected to each other and their child, so be it...I certainly won't judge. The way I see it, though, is when I am settled down enough to have a child, it can't be the biological product of both myself and my partner...so why need it be the product of either of us?

    Besides, if we adopt, we can pick out the pretty one, rather than take pot luck after a long and nasty gestation...


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    Apr 03, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    Here's the link to the Oprah interview...

    http://perezhilton.com/2008-04-03-the-pregnant-man-on-oprah
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    Apr 03, 2008 10:52 PM GMT
    Plus didn't someone say the kid might be messed up because of all the hormones the parent is taking?
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    Apr 03, 2008 10:56 PM GMT
    I am watching the videos right now, honestly, i am so happy for him and his family

    i would parade for his rights. i think this is a beautiful thing
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    Apr 03, 2008 11:19 PM GMT
    Selfish because they're doing it to satisfy themselves. They may even be doing it to be "in your face" to the world, though, I wouldn't stake my life on that, one way or the other. If this is a woman who truly believed she is a man trapped in the wrong body, then why have a baby? What could be more womanly? And why would someone who obviously has issues (yes, if you're trapped in the wrong body, you have issues) want to take on that kind of responsibility? Too many questions. Too many fucked up people.

    and Zdrew - great point! Why risk an ugly baby? Adopt. Shop around for the right fit. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 03, 2008 11:36 PM GMT
    feeling that u are trapped in the wrong body means u have issues? I dont think so, we are human, our way of thinking and way of life might have been put into the wrong body, ur response really shocks me, being a gay man, i would think u would understand the social pressures and implications set against them.

    Though having a baby might seem like a feminine characteristic, like thomas said in his interview with oprah, its a human thing. It feels great to have a baby, i want a baby, adopted or conceived, i know i want a baby girl i can take care of and send to school and watch grow. Its more like a miracle, something tickling inside of u, its a great feeling, and i see it no more feminine than masculine
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    Apr 03, 2008 11:38 PM GMT
    McGay, I hope there's not an agenda going on there, i.e. trying to make a statement for trans/gay/whatever rights, etc. If that were the case, it's just plain...wrong, in my book. By the way...if you really think about it, is procreation ever anything but selfish?

    And yes, it's vitally important to be able to pick out the prettiest babies, from the right countries. Just ask Madonna and Angelina. And to further that, I firmly believe not in adoption, but leasing...you know, so you can trade it in for a younger, cuddlier, sweeter model once it hits those obnoxious adolescent years. icon_razz.gif
  • mcwclewis

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    Apr 04, 2008 12:27 AM GMT
    Breeding is absolutely necessary. I want to carry on my bloodline because my drug addicted burnout brother can't.

    I do, however, plan on adopting as well as finding a surrogate.
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    Apr 04, 2008 2:52 AM GMT
    Many seem to think adoption would be a better choice for this couple, but as i said in my original post -- are you kidding? adoption is not that easy and adoption agencies don't look kindly on alternative lifestyle people; most reject gay couples, why would a trans family be approved?icon_question.gif
    as a gay man who doesn't want kids i kinda wonder why others would seem to go through anything to have/get a child. i dunno -- why go through all that when you could get a nice rat terrier? icon_wink.gif
    but each to his own. we are gay and not judging other peoples (crazy/stoopid) choices is sorta important all around, no?
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    Apr 04, 2008 3:42 AM GMT
    McGay saidshe walked up to me and she asked me to dance, i asked her her name and what i got from her she said Lola

    I think this is one of the most selfish things two adults have ever done.


    I must agree, and it just sets the gay, lesbian, transgenger population back a hundred steps, they wine that they were born the wrong sex, and they hate everything about the sex they are so they want to change it all, except maybe keep the parts that might interst them later?? That's a bunch of hoo ha to me.
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    Apr 04, 2008 3:45 AM GMT
    justjk said[quote][cite]McGay said[/cite]she walked up to me and she asked me to dance, i asked her her name and what i got from her she said Lola

    I think this is one of the most selfish things two adults have ever done.


    I must agree, and it just sets the gay, lesbian, transgenger population back a hundred steps, they wine that they were born the wrong sex, and they hate everything about the sex they are so they want to change it all, except maybe keep the parts that might interst them later?? That's a bunch of hoo ha to me.[/quote]

    excuse my language, but thats a bunch of bullshit...how do u expect to progress as a community if we wont face and challenge these problems as a team of one...call me an idealist and a wuss for thinking about happiness and for the better of humanity and not just thinking about what impact it might have on me, but i honestly think if gays and lesbians want to fight for their right, we have to show a sense of belonging....if us gays will bash on them, that just gives leverage for straight people to do more
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    Apr 04, 2008 3:48 AM GMT

    He was sorta cute. but not gay, damn.
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    Apr 04, 2008 4:02 AM GMT
    My theory has always been that if you truly want to be a man(or woman)...then BE a man (or woman) plumbing and all!. All of the "in betweens," encourage more confusion and aggrivation that mainstream society already has with the gay community (i.e. Should a tranny go into the Male or Female restrooms?)
  • ShawnTX

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    Apr 04, 2008 4:05 AM GMT
    maxxtowt said All of the in betweens encourage more confusion and aggrivation that mainstream society already has with the gay community


    And these people should care what mainstream society thinks of them because???

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    Apr 04, 2008 4:07 AM GMT
    ShawnTO said[quote][cite]maxxtowt said[/cite] All of the in betweens encourage more confusion and aggrivation that mainstream society already has with the gay community


    And these people should care what mainstream society thinks of them because???

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    exactly!