Hillary speaks out on our behalf...

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    Apr 03, 2008 11:26 PM GMT
    Seriously, could you haters throw her some freakin support already? Read this article:



    Clinton says she will defend gay rights.
    By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer


    WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she would defend gay rights as president and eliminate disparities for same-sex couples in federal law, including immigration and tax policy.

    Clinton said states such as New Jersey and Massachusetts are extending rights to gay couples "and the federal government should recognize that and should extend the same access to federal benefits across the board. I will very much work to achieve that."

    Clinton's comments came in an interview with the Philadelphia Gay News that was posted on its Web site Thursday.

    Clinton said she and her husband have many gay friends that they socialize with when they get the chance. "I've got friends, literally, around the country that I'm close to. It's part of my life," she said.

    She said that when they ask her why they can't get married, she tells them marriage is a state law. She said that fact helped defeat a constitutional amendment to prohibit same-sex weddings that she said would "enshrine discrimination in the Constitution."

    "States are really beginning seriously to deal with the whole range of options, including marriage, both under their own state constitutions and under the legislative approach," she said. "I anticipate that there will be a very concerted amount of effort in the next couple of years that will move this important issue forward and different states will take different approaches as they did with marriage over many years and you will see an evolution over time."

    Clinton said she opposes a measure that would ban gay marriage in Pennsylvania.

    "I would be very distressed if Pennsylvania were to adopt that kind of mean-spirited referendum and I hope it won't happen," she said.

    Clinton's Democratic rival Barack Obama and Republican John McCain declined the newspaper's invitation for an interview. The paper criticized Obama and highlighted his refusal to talk by leaving a blank space on the front page where his interview would have appeared.

    Clinton also said she would:

    • Eliminate her husband's policy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" that prevents gays from serving openly in the military. Asked if she could do so by a signing order connected to a military appropriations bill, Clinton said she didn't think that is possible but she would look into it and do it if it were legal.

    • Be "very strongly outspoken" against foreign governments that execute gays and use financial assistance and other leverage to prevent the killings.

    • Support federal domestic partner legislation to extend rights to all same-sex couples.

    • Support services for gay youth, including guidance for schools about the discrimination they face.

    • Continue to support gay pride celebrations, to the extent that security would allow. "I don't think the Secret Service let Bill walk in a parade when he became president," she said.





    in case you want it, here's the url:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080403/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_gay_rights
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 03, 2008 11:41 PM GMT
    It is nothing more than just more talk followed by empty promises being made to gay and lesbian Americans by another politician. When religious conservatives start complaining and opposing her on these viewpoints, Hillary will back down and put a knife in our backs just like every other liberal, democratic politician has done in the past. If you think that this little blast of hot air from Hillary is going to change my mind on who to support for the democratic nomination, all you Hillary sycophants are very horribly mistakened.
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    Apr 03, 2008 11:47 PM GMT
    I do applaud Hillary for her support, but.. I can't help but consider where she is right now in the democratic primary and any possible ulterior motives behind her words. The optimist in me wants to believe what she has said and be more sympathetic towards her, but the realist in me reminds me that this is a very, very drawn out primary war and this could just be something to energize some voters to her.
  • Timbales

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    Apr 04, 2008 1:55 AM GMT
    It's very easy to support something when you know you have no power to do anything about implementing it.

    She's a politician - just because she's saying something you want to hear doesn't make it true.
  • shoelessj

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    Apr 04, 2008 2:19 AM GMT
    so where was she when the Defense of Marriage Act was pushed thru by her hubby? and why didn't do anything to stop Don't Ask Don't Tell in the first place? Or was she too busy dodging bullets in Bosnia?
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    Apr 04, 2008 3:09 AM GMT
    well i'm a new yorker who voted hillary for senate, and i'm pleased by her comments, but i also wonder about the timing -- i can tell you she's never spoken out this way before even about gay rights in our state. i've always said hillary is the kind of politician who'll say anything to win and i guess this is proof.
    still, i'd love to hear this kind of statement from john mcain.icon_confused.gif
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    Apr 04, 2008 6:05 AM GMT
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    This woman has taken a lot of crap-ola for being a strong person ... She has taken a risk doing the article. It will be used against her! Hence Obama's refusal to partake. The RIGHT would love to tag Hillary as a LESBIAN (as if that is bad thing ... GOTTA LOVE LESBIANS!) and push the FAR LEFT SOCIAL LIBERAL CARD (again, as if that's a bad thing ... she's pretty fiscally moderate ... GO LIBERALS!!) ... Hillary is, in my humble opinion, COOL (although, the pant suits, much of the time, are less than feminine...) ... But, then if she wore something else, she wouldn't be HILLARY!!! I am impressed with her willingness to go after what she wants and to stay in there fighting with her own unique passion and style ... Sounds like a VERY GAY approach!!!!
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    Apr 04, 2008 6:14 AM GMT
    Strong Woman

    Hillary can do it!!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 04, 2008 6:24 AM GMT
    Yeah, yeah, yeah..she'll pander to anyone who will listen at this point.
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    Apr 04, 2008 7:27 AM GMT
    I read this earlier on Yahoo News... I'm glad she finally said something about us. Do I believe her? Nope.

    The timing of this seems suspect and I question whether she's sincere or she's trying to win more votes. It's a typical ploy... when you need more votes, you pay special attention to the GLBT voters. Politics as usual...
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    Apr 04, 2008 10:52 AM GMT
    I see alot of guys commenting on how Hillary will say anything to get a vote...

    And Obama won't??

    Isn't he a politician as well??

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    Apr 04, 2008 10:56 AM GMT
    So true Lapinblac...but politics are like religion, everyone picks and chooses what they want to believe.
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    Apr 04, 2008 11:12 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidYeah, yeah, yeah..she'll pander to anyone who will listen at this point.


    As opposed to McCain, who once called the fundamentalists "agents of intolerance" but now can't say enough nice things about them. McCain, who has spent the last seven years sucking up to Bush, the man who trashed him in South Carolina in 2000 by accusing him of having a black baby out of wedlock.

    Is there no end to Republican hypocrisy?
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    Apr 04, 2008 11:30 AM GMT
    Clinton has had a very good relationship with the GLBT community for years. Blaming her for DOMA is ridiculous. That is like blaming Abe Lincoln for not signing a robot's rights bill.

    I look forward to her continued support in the senate.
  • Salubrious

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    Apr 04, 2008 12:00 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidClinton has had a very good relationship with the GLBT community for years. Blaming her for DOMA is ridiculous. That is like blaming Abe Lincoln for not signing a robot's rights bill.

    I look forward to her continued support in the senate.


    I'm glad someone else pointed this out. IIRC, Don't Ask, Don't Tell was a compromise between the Republican congress and Pres. Clinton.
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    Apr 04, 2008 12:47 PM GMT
    While I'll agree that they're all politicians saying what they need to say to the right people to get votes and cash...I'll also add that there's a...difference in the nuances of approach between Hillary and Barack on this issue.

    They parrot the same talking points, but with Barack, thus far I believe him. He's supported LGBT issues in the past - crazy preachers aside, because don't get me started on McCain and Hauge or the Clintons and that vulture in sheep's wool Rev. Graham - and can be frustratingly realistic about what expectations for success would be. (Despite his lame argument about civil unions first, marriage later. Ugh.)

    Clinton meanwhile...DoMA, DoMA, DoMA. She very likely personally is quite supportive of 'us', but she's a politician FIRST and ALWAYS. She supported DoMA in the mid 90s and stated on LOGO that she still supports large parts of it. I feel a LOT of young and underinformed LGBT voters just DO NOT get the awful impact wrought by that legislation and the insidious way the Clintons used it - crying for the NYT, but running radio ads in the South touting it as Clinton protecting traditional marriage. (And let's not forget Kerry stating on record that Bill told him to support all the anti-gay marriage amendments in 2004!) DoMA was really when the Rethuglicans figured out they could make more money smearing LGBT folks than they could talking about aborted fetuses. DoMA didn't protect anyone from anything - it created a bogeyman in the minds of those who rose up and changed CONSTITUTIONS to DENY us legal rights presumed and assumed by much of society.

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  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 04, 2008 1:02 PM GMT
    Excellent. This doesn't surprise me in the least. She has been (and is) a great supporter, one of the many reasons I think the would be a good President.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 04, 2008 1:04 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said

    I look forward to her continued support in the senate.




    Well said Zombie.. we are in agreement... until she takes the oath of office as President, that is.....icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 04, 2008 1:06 PM GMT
    Lets not forget. If ol Iron Knickers, was to make these things come to pass. She would not only be the next President of the USA to be Assassinated. She would also be the First MRS President to be assassinated as well.

    Christian, and family groups do not want this...

    Will this also be enough to make all those homosexual republicans, turn? Me thinks not!
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    Apr 04, 2008 1:12 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said[quote]Well said Zombie.. we are in agreement... until she takes the oath of office as President, that is.....icon_biggrin.gif


    Oh, I didn't hear she was planning on running in 2016 ^_~
  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 04, 2008 1:37 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said[quote]

    Oh, I didn't hear she was planning on running in 2016 ^_~



    Now.. .you know a President can't run for more than 2 terms.. maybe 2016 would be the time others with less experience can garner enough by that time to make it credible.


    Your so cute when your making an argument Zombie....

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    Apr 04, 2008 1:41 PM GMT
    Obama's done this too. Difference is, he'll be better at pulling it off. Do a search on threads with "Obama" in them and I'll probably have posted why I think so.
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    Apr 04, 2008 1:50 PM GMT
    This is an excellent example of why the Democratic party is so chaotic. The Republican party's interest is that which is best for the country.
    The Democratic party is just an umbrella for all the fringe groups, like Greens, Fetus/Baby Killers, Tort Lawyers, Various Communist Revolutionaries, Gun Grabbers, Welfare parasites, organized crime, Union thugs and now we the Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Transgender fringe group should throw in with this crowd? I think it's disgusting to be associated with the Democrats. I suggest you people join the Log Cabin Republicans and get with a team that has it's act together and has a better class of people.




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    Apr 04, 2008 2:00 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    Now.. .you know a President can't run for more than 2 terms.. maybe 2016 would be the time others with less experience can garner enough by that time to make it credible.


    It too is my hope that John McCain has enough experience with economic and foreign policy to make a credible run.
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    Apr 04, 2008 2:13 PM GMT
    There's one thing that unites Democrats, and it's enough. Shift power away from those who neither need it nor deserve it. It's a big idea that will take care of all the little ideas implied in the childish labels you bring.

    But to play it your way, I've got one more thoughtless immature label to toss out there, and it's precisely for you John43620:

    Train Wreck

    I mean really that sums up who you are based on all your posts, again as long as we're resorting to petty name calling (a Republican's best tactic).

    The only thing that unites the GOP is fear and greed. Nice way to put together a group of "leaders", eh? Must be a nice world you live in, with all that fear and greed. You can practically smell it in every one of your posts, actually. See...facts, reason, and sustainability don't fly with the GOP, especially as long as overgrown mentally damaged teenagers like you are speaking for the party.

    But really, John43620, where does it hurt?

    Tell us...we can be a nurturing little e-community when called upon.