Shocking - Chevy Volt

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    Apr 23, 2011 3:25 PM GMT
    http://media.gm.com/content/media/us/en/news.detail.brand_GM.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2011/Apr/0421_volt
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    Apr 23, 2011 8:10 PM GMT
    Geez, that's not so impressive a statistic, on it's own. My (almost) 30 year old suburban can go 800 miles between fill-ups. (The last one was just after christmas.) Of course, the station owner always takes his family out to dinner after I've been there.
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    Apr 23, 2011 9:04 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidGeez, that's not so impressive a statistic, on it's own. My (almost) 30 year old suburban can go 800 miles between fill-ups. (The last one was just after christmas.) Of course, the station owner always takes his family out to dinner after I've been there.
    dual 30 gallon tanks on the 'burban?
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    Apr 23, 2011 9:05 PM GMT
    It doesn't make sense to me to spend $40,000 on a car, just so I can get ridiculously high gas mileage. A couple years ago, I paid $7500 for a 2003 Pontiac Vibe, and I'm getting 28-30 MPG per tank of gas, which is a little more than twice the gas mileage of my trusty 1996 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 with it's V8 engine and 33 gallon tank.
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    Apr 23, 2011 9:19 PM GMT
    Wow. $40K? Didn't realize it would cost that much. GM is gonna have hard time convincing people to buy these things when there are cheaper alternatives.
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    Apr 23, 2011 9:58 PM GMT
    xrichx saidWow. $40K? Didn't realize it would cost that much. GM is gonna have hard time convincing people to buy these things when there are cheaper alternatives.


    They start at $32,780 according to the Chevy website. The one pictured on the site is $41,970.
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    Apr 24, 2011 1:04 AM GMT
    I drive a bunch back here in Columbus so I’m looking for something that gets way better gas mileage in town than what I get now. I have a G8 GT with the 6 liter and get, driven easily, 18.5 to 20 in town. I had my car in for a service last week and I dropped it off late afternoon and then they give me a loaner for the night, which happened to be a 4 cylinder 6 speed automatic Bu. In spite of have an engine 1/3 the size as the Pontiac it gave me just 4mpg better going to same places doing the same things. I’ve been looking at the 2012 focus rated at 28 / 38 and the Cruze. My daily running around is a bit over 40 to maybe 50 miles per day, which would almost be within the all electric range of the Volt. I still keep thinking about it. It would almost be enough savings to pay for itself over what I’m spending now.
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    Apr 24, 2011 1:35 AM GMT
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    xrichx saidWow. $40K? Didn't realize it would cost that much. GM is gonna have hard time convincing people to buy these things when there are cheaper alternatives.


    They start at $32,780 according to the Chevy website. The one pictured on the site is $41,970.



    There is a $7,500 federal income tax credit for the Volt. Still, to get people to make the initial investment into electric or plug-in hybrids, automobile companies are going to have to come up with something cheaper or else it will just stay the niche market it is right now. The all electric Nissan Leaf is quite a bit cheaper, but it's range between charges is only a 100 miles and a busy day running around town, doing a lot of errands can quickly add up miles, especially in an area of extensive suburbs, so that may not be practical for many people.
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    Apr 24, 2011 1:46 AM GMT
    doesn anyone have an "eco" model cruze yet? how do you like it?
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    Apr 24, 2011 4:01 AM GMT
    mustangd saiddoesn anyone have an "eco" model cruze yet? how do you like it?


    I've driven a LT2 and considering that's its a 1.4 liter it's fine. And as all of the online car magazines have reported, its unbelievably quiet with a very nice ride. Quite a refined piece that could use another 40-50 hp though. I think faster is safer. The 2012 focus at 28 / 38 is also very nice, but I still think the Cruze is quieter.

    I'm just too accustomed to this so a 4 banger is gonna be tough. No such thing as enough power, but 0 - 120 in a little over 11 seconds is nice.

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    Apr 24, 2011 4:14 AM GMT
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    xrichx saidWow. $40K? Didn't realize it would cost that much. GM is gonna have hard time convincing people to buy these things when there are cheaper alternatives.


    They start at $32,780 according to the Chevy website. The one pictured on the site is $41,970.



    There is a $7,500 federal income tax credit for the Volt. Still, to get people to make the initial investment into electric or plug-in hybrids, automobile companies are going to have to come up with something cheaper or else it will just stay the niche market it is right now. The all electric Nissan Leaf is quite a bit cheaper, but it's range between charges is only a 100 miles and a busy day running around town, doing a lot of errands can quickly add up miles, especially in an area of extensive suburbs, so that may not be practical for many people.


    Probably the worst thing about the leaf is having to look at it. However, reports from users sound like around 70 miles on a charge is about tops.

    The volt is expensive enough even after the $7,500 tax credit that it’s just a novelty – an exceptionally well engineered novelty, but I don’t think it’s worth it to me until the CRE market is back to normal and I’m closing deals on a real regular basis. I think the focus or Cruze will be good enough at high 30s highway.
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    Apr 24, 2011 4:14 AM GMT
    What these stories always leave out is what their energy bill is now that they have to recharge their car.
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    Apr 24, 2011 4:18 AM GMT
    Around here it would be $3.07 for a full charge of volts for the Volt
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    Apr 24, 2011 4:20 AM GMT
    rnch said
    mindgarden saidGeez, that's not so impressive a statistic, on it's own. My (almost) 30 year old suburban can go 800 miles between fill-ups. (The last one was just after christmas.) Of course, the station owner always takes his family out to dinner after I've been there.
    dual 30 gallon tanks on the 'burban?


    40 Gallon, Diesel.

    BTW: I rented the Smart turbo diesel (which we can't get in the USA) and drove it in the mountains in Europe for a couple of weeks. Actually quite a fun little car. And 70 mpg. Maybe I could smuggle one in with a large duffel bag...
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    Apr 24, 2011 4:20 AM GMT
    Alright, I study this shit daily. Everyone needs to understand that the car has a sticker base price of 41K. Dealers, because of "lack of availability" are marking up the sticker $5,000- 10,000. If you look at chevy.com and you pull up the pricing fine print, you will see the $7,500 tax CREDIT. That means when you do your taxes, if you owe $7,500 or more, than you get the full credit. This is not a refund. If you do not owe $7,500 or more in taxes, they do not credit you....
    Also, after the battery has been depleted, the car only gets about 32 miles per gallon in city. The extremely high MPG is while the car is still running on the battery. The MPG goes down as the battery drains.

    This is a video EVERYONE that is slightly interested in this car needs to watch:
    http://cnettv.cnet.com/2011-chevy-volt/9742-1_53-50102661.html
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    Apr 24, 2011 4:29 AM GMT
    mindgarden said
    rnch said
    mindgarden saidGeez, that's not so impressive a statistic, on it's own. My (almost) 30 year old suburban can go 800 miles between fill-ups. (The last one was just after christmas.) Of course, the station owner always takes his family out to dinner after I've been there.
    dual 30 gallon tanks on the 'burban?


    40 Gallon, Diesel.

    BTW: I rented the Smart turbo diesel (which we can't get in the USA) and drove it in the mountains in Europe for a couple of weeks. Actually quite a fun little car. And 70 mpg. Maybe I could smuggle one in with a large duffel bag...


    And the Cruze Diesel is coming, which has same hp and about 100 ft lb of torque more than the turbo 1.4. It needs to get way better 'gas' mileage because diesel is about 40 cents more per gallon around here
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    Apr 24, 2011 4:38 AM GMT
    dbm811 saidAlright, I study this shit daily. Everyone needs to understand that the car has a sticker base price of 41K. Dealers, because of "lack of availability" are marking up the sticker $5,000- 10,000. If you look at chevy.com and you pull up the pricing fine print, you will see the $7,500 tax CREDIT. That means when you do your taxes, if you owe $7,500 or more, than you get the full credit. This is not a refund. If you do not owe $7,500 or more in taxes, they do not credit you....
    Also, after the battery has been depleted, the car only gets about 32 miles per gallon in city. The extremely high MPG is while the car is still running on the battery. The MPG goes down as the battery drains.

    This is a video EVERYONE that is slightly interested in this car needs to watch:
    http://cnettv.cnet.com/2011-chevy-volt/9742-1_53-50102661.html


    No surprises here.

    True, if you're going to use it as a open road car then you're better off with a turbo diesel, but for around Columbus with about a 40 - 50 mile daily usage then this would give me 80- 90 mpg with nightly charging.

    And the car runs on the battery only until its at 30% charge and then the 1.4 liter provides power to drive the electric motors. If your commute is 35-40 and you charge every night then it is possible to almost never use any gas. Many folks pretty well fit that daily commute pattern.

    And I'm pretty sure most folks understand the difference between a tax credit and a deduction, and further, most folks looking at a $41,000 car will have a taxable income high enough to fully use the credit.
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    Apr 24, 2011 4:57 AM GMT
    Paid $5,500 for my car 3 years ago and it's ran great. Mazda Millenia was getting around 30mpg in the city when it was in San Diego and roadtrips 40mpg. Now my car is in Hawaii I couldn't give it up because it runs great and now because of Hawaii driving vs Cali driving averaging 35-40mpg. Can't beat that for price paid. icon_biggrin.gif

    I can't wait to see the technology from the Volt get better and cheaper though. Wouldn't buy one now too new. And can't afford it. ha
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    Apr 24, 2011 5:16 AM GMT
    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q4/2011_chevrolet_volt_full_test-road_test

    Looks like either my electric rates are way higher or I didn't calculate correctly

    "Worried about the charging process? Don’t—it’s not the least bit intimidating. Most of us simply plugged the Volt’s cord into a 120-volt household outlet overnight. Ten hours later, it was fully charged. Cost: about $1.60. Also, the Volt can be programmed to delay charging based on a set schedule or electricity rates; doing so can be controlled and monitored via a smartphone application."

    http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/Vehicles/2011-chevrolet-volt/
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    Apr 24, 2011 5:22 AM GMT
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    mustangd saiddoesn anyone have an "eco" model cruze yet? how do you like it?


    I've driven a LT2 and considering that's its a 1.4 liter it's fine. And as all of the online car magazines have reported, its unbelievably quiet with a very nice ride. Quite a refined piece that could use another 40-50 hp though. I think faster is safer. The 2012 focus (28 / 3icon_cool.gif is also very nice, but I still think the Cruze is quieter.

    I'm just too accustomed to this so a 4 banger is gonna be tough. No such thing as enough power, but 0 - 120 in a little over 11 seconds is nice.



    2.32 r/t? you had a nap at the tree.... lol.
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    Apr 24, 2011 5:49 AM GMT
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    mustangd saiddoesn anyone have an "eco" model cruze yet? how do you like it?


    I've driven a LT2 and considering that's its a 1.4 liter it's fine. And as all of the online car magazines have reported, its unbelievably quiet with a very nice ride. Quite a refined piece that could use another 40-50 hp though. I think faster is safer. The 2012 focus at 28 / 38 is also very nice, but I still think the Cruze is quieter.

    I'm just too accustomed to this so a 4 banger is gonna be tough. No such thing as enough power, but 0 - 120 in a little over 11 seconds is nice.



    2.32 r/t? you had a nap at the tree.... lol.


    Not quite. 1.63 60' The 2.32 60' was from the previous run. You can tell by watching the lights and when the G8 started to move that this is no 2 sec r/t. I've had as bad as a .5 r/t and as good as .0003 but never 2+ seconds.

    And a huge congrats for being a homo and even knowing what a r/t or a 60' is. First time for everything, and in my 41 years of drag racing and probably 10,000 + passes, you're the first. You easily imagine the reaction and/or comment I generally get when I tell most (all) in the gay community that I'm into 'drag' racing.