How the GOP Will Re-Elect Obama in 2012

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    Apr 25, 2011 4:28 PM GMT
    Imagine a national politician who's vocally pro-EPA, pro-OSHA, pro-affirmative action and for expanding national health care. Obviously, he'd be a Democrat. He would also be Richard Nixon in 1970. The GOP presidential nominee won't be able to survive the taint of wingers competing for headlines.

    As the Tea-Party GOP loudly tries to "take America back" ...to the 1920s, commentators who focus on "it's the economy, stupid," are missing a parallel point -- it's also "the stupidity, stupid."

    There seem to be two camps of analysis about the 2012 presidential election -- either it'll be a referendum on the incumbent, per usual, which means a 50-50 race since Obama's favorables roughly equal his unfavorables... and/or it'll be a referendum on the struggling economy -- with the key litmus numbers being whether unemployment is under 8% and gas under $4.

    If history is any guide, that's right. But it leaves out a big new factor -- whether the Republican competition for craziness so taints the GOP brand that Obama becomes the safe choice, really the only choice . Recall in this context the well-traveled joke about the two hunters running from a bear -- they needn't outrun the bear... but each other.

    The only elections I can recall where the extreme of a party or nominee became an issue was 1968 and 1972, as anti-war students became a perfect foil for Nixon, and 1980, when Reagan had to prove that he wasn't a war-mongering nut. His performance skills in the debates (and Carter's high unfavorables) enabled him to easily pass his orals.

    This cycle, every time Obama seems on the rise, a Greek near-bankruptcy or gas price crisis appears to suppress his popularity. There's a lot of data, as scholar Edward Tufte demonstrated in his seminal 1978 book, "Political Control of the Economy," showing that the best predictor historically of a presidential contest is the economic growth rate in the year of the election. As Ezra Klein thoughtfully wrote in the Washington Post four months ago, "it's always the economy stupid."

    But there's another variable this cycle -- the looney right uttering sound-bites that win headlines, not votes. As the Republican primary season begins with the first debate being a few months away, one thing we can rely on is a daily competition to see who can come up with an idiotic charge that panders to the half of the GOP that believes Obama to be an illegal alien and Muslim socialist. Half.

    Independent voters who care about jobs will unlikely be impressed by Trump's birther attacks, Bachmann saying that Planned Parenthood is the "Lenscrafters of abortion", Gingrich concluding that the President's philosophy is "as bad as Nazism or Stalinism" or Huckabee asserting that Obama's values were shaped by the anti-colonial "mau maus"? Or consider any of the scores of examples of Tea Party nastiness, from pictures of him as an ape to Limbaugh talking about Michelle's weight. The Slur de Jour election has begun.

    Will it be fair to hang these around the neck of, say, Mitt Romney, who hasn't yet played this kind of political Rollerball, if he's the nominee? No more so than the most radical anti-war protestors were exploited to slime Hubert Humphrey in 1968.

    Beyond sounding extreme the GOP, according to polls, is definitionally out-of-the-mainstream. The GOP is flirting with electoral disaster when it talks about ending Medicare, Medicaid, the EPA, Department of Education; defending the needy rich; and threatening to throw the credit of the U.S. into bankruptcy by refusing to raise the debt ceiling next month. Mind you, that's about borrowing now to pay off our existing debts. At our founding in 1789, refusing to pay your debts landed people in prison. Now Republicans may adopt that as policy.

    And look what happens electorally when the GOP pushes too far ideologically: after they abolished collective bargaining rights for public employees in Wisconsin, "Reagan Democrats" in union households fled their adopted party in a recent statewide judicial election.

    So sit back and watch the GOP Goldwaterize itself in a frenzy of ideological purity and hateful rhetoric. And the President's calm, cool manner is the perfect antidote to those who demonize and divide. So run Sarah run, run Michelle run, run Newt run and keep scaring seniors and the middle class Paul. As Obama's recent attacks on Ryan's "radical" fiscal plan make clear, he knows that FDR beats Ayn Rand.

    By: Mark Green
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    Apr 25, 2011 8:24 PM GMT
    Actually, even Goldwater was a liberal compared to the modern day Republican party.
    The Repubs have moved so far to the right, that any moderates in the party seem like far left liberals.
    And the radical Teabaggers are just pushing the party further and further from the mainstream.
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    Apr 25, 2011 8:33 PM GMT
    And Trump has done more harm to the GOP by rallying behind the Teabaggers.

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    Apr 25, 2011 9:17 PM GMT
    The teapartiers and the republicans are the same things. Below is what the Republican Party stands for:

    1. hating gays and doing harm to gays
    2. hating african americans, hispanics and women
    3. hating any religion other than christian
    4. hating the middle class
    5. loving rich people

    What we get with a Republican President and Congress:
    1. Racism
    2. Unemployment
    3. Stealing from working people and giving to the rich, so they can buy things they dont need.
    4. Very high Deficits
    5. and probably even slavery, if they have their way.

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    Apr 25, 2011 9:58 PM GMT
    Claude23 saidThe teapartiers and the republicans are the same things. Below is what the Republican Party stands for:

    1. hating gays and doing harm to gays
    2. hating african americans, hispanics and women
    3. hating any religion other than christian
    4. hating the middle class
    5. loving rich people

    What we get with a Republican President and Congress:
    1. Racism
    2. Unemployment
    3. Stealing from working people and giving to the rich, so they can buy things they dont need.
    4. Very high Deficits
    5. and probably even slavery, if they have their way.




    Yup.
    Plus, when we get a Repub president, we get:
    6.) Recession

    Every recession for the last 30 years has hit when there's been a Repub in the White House.
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    Apr 25, 2011 10:17 PM GMT
    Yup.
    Plus, when we get a Repub president, we get:
    6.) Recession

    Every recession for the last 30 years has hit when there's been a Repub in the White House.


    1929
    1987
    2008

    Depression and 2 big recessions ........prior 8 years, Republican President.
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    Apr 25, 2011 10:24 PM GMT
    LeanathleticDC saidYup.
    Plus, when we get a Repub president, we get:
    6.) Recession

    Every recession for the last 30 years has hit when there's been a Repub in the White House.


    1929
    1987
    2008

    Depression and 2 big recessions ........prior 8 years, Republican President.


    Yes and all three of those recessions are the result of supply side economics or reaganomics. Why dont the spineless Democrats use these years as examples when it come to debate on taxes???

    The way to pay down the debt is to get more tax revenue and that means increasing taxes on the rich. The poor and middle class already pay their fair share, its time the rich do the same.
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    Apr 25, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
    Claude23 said
    LeanathleticDC saidYup.
    Plus, when we get a Repub president, we get:
    6.) Recession

    Every recession for the last 30 years has hit when there's been a Repub in the White House.


    1929
    1987
    2008

    Depression and 2 big recessions ........prior 8 years, Republican President.


    Yes and all three of those recessions are the result of supply side economics or reaganomics. Why dont the spineless Democrats use these years as examples when it come to debate on taxes???

    The way to pay down the debt is to get more tax revenue and that means increasing taxes on the rich. The poor and middle class already pay their fair share, its time the rich do the same.



    The poor and the middle class are going to take (another) hit, with the big government spending cuts that are coming.
    If the poor and the middle class are going to have to sacrifice to bring down the National Debt - then the rich damn well need to sacrifice too.
    By paying higher taxes.
    They sure as hell can afford it.
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    Apr 26, 2011 1:55 AM GMT
    Claude23 saidThe teapartiers and the republicans are the same things. Below is what the Republican Party stands for:

    1. hating gays and doing harm to gays
    2. hating african americans, hispanics and women
    3. hating any religion other than christian
    4. hating the middle class
    5. loving rich people

    What we get with a Republican President and Congress:
    1. Racism
    2. Unemployment
    3. Stealing from working people and giving to the rich, so they can buy things they dont need.
    4. Very high Deficits
    5. and probably even slavery, if they have their way.



    Just what RJ needs, yet another faceless brainless knucklehead icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 26, 2011 2:14 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Claude23 saidThe teapartiers and the republicans are the same things. Below is what the Republican Party stands for:

    1. hating gays and doing harm to gays
    2. hating african americans, hispanics and women
    3. hating any religion other than christian
    4. hating the middle class
    5. loving rich people

    What we get with a Republican President and Congress:
    1. Racism
    2. Unemployment
    3. Stealing from working people and giving to the rich, so they can buy things they dont need.
    4. Very high Deficits
    5. and probably even slavery, if they have their way.



    Just what RJ needs, yet another faceless brainless knucklehead icon_rolleyes.gif


    He does have many points.

    The modern Republican party (after the civil rights realignment around the 50's and 60's) has supported anti-gay legistlation, has been anti-civil rights in many regards, xenophobic when it comes to any religion that's not Christianity (don't get started on atheism), lowered the share of the tax burden on the rich and moved it onto the middle class, and have created higher deficits than Democratic presidents.
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    Apr 26, 2011 2:51 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Claude23 saidThe teapartiers and the republicans are the same things. Below is what the Republican Party stands for:

    1. hating gays and doing harm to gays
    2. hating african americans, hispanics and women
    3. hating any religion other than christian
    4. hating the middle class
    5. loving rich people

    What we get with a Republican President and Congress:
    1. Racism
    2. Unemployment
    3. Stealing from working people and giving to the rich, so they can buy things they dont need.
    4. Very high Deficits
    5. and probably even slavery, if they have their way.



    Just what RJ needs, yet another faceless brainless knucklehead icon_rolleyes.gif




    "Just what RJ needs".
    Another hateful unprovoked personal attack posted by Curiousjock.

    Curious needs to work on his tendency to intolerantly try to shout down points of view he disagrees with, by launching ugly personal attacks.
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    Apr 26, 2011 4:34 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Claude23 saidThe teapartiers and the republicans are the same things. Below is what the Republican Party stands for:

    1. hating gays and doing harm to gays
    2. hating african americans, hispanics and women
    3. hating any religion other than christian
    4. hating the middle class
    5. loving rich people

    What we get with a Republican President and Congress:
    1. Racism
    2. Unemployment
    3. Stealing from working people and giving to the rich, so they can buy things they dont need.
    4. Very high Deficits
    5. and probably even slavery, if they have their way.



    Just what RJ needs, yet another faceless brainless knucklehead icon_rolleyes.gif




    "Just what RJ needs".
    Another hateful unprovoked personal attack posted by Curiousjock.

    Curious needs to work on his tendency to intolerantly try to shout down points of view he disagrees with, by launching ugly personal attacks.








    Rick, first of all, that wasn't "unprovoked". Claude23, in his 3rd post on RJ, made ridiculous and largely false statements and broad generalizations that would be laughable if they were not so offensive. I didn't really have to read much further than "Republicans stand for hating gays and doing harm to gays" to know where he was headed. I thought I was being kind. Trust me, when I launch "an ugly personal attack", you'll know it. For the record, I don't need to hear from you of all people that I need to work on my "tendency to intolerantly try to shout down points of view I disagree with". Pot meet kettle.
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    Apr 26, 2011 4:45 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rickrick91 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Claude23 saidThe teapartiers and the republicans are the same things. Below is what the Republican Party stands for:

    1. hating gays and doing harm to gays
    2. hating african americans, hispanics and women
    3. hating any religion other than christian
    4. hating the middle class
    5. loving rich people

    What we get with a Republican President and Congress:
    1. Racism
    2. Unemployment
    3. Stealing from working people and giving to the rich, so they can buy things they dont need.
    4. Very high Deficits
    5. and probably even slavery, if they have their way.



    Just what RJ needs, yet another faceless brainless knucklehead icon_rolleyes.gif




    "Just what RJ needs".
    Another hateful unprovoked personal attack posted by Curiousjock.

    Curious needs to work on his tendency to intolerantly try to shout down points of view he disagrees with, by launching ugly personal attacks.








    Rick, first of all, that wasn't "unprovoked". Claude23, in his 3rd post on RJ, made ridiculous and largely false statements and broad generalizations that would be laughable if they were not so offensive. I didn't really have to read much further than "Republicans stand for hating gays and doing harm to gays" to know where he was headed. I thought I was being kind. Trust me, when I launch "an ugly personal attack", you'll know it. For the record, I don't need to hear from you of all people that I need to work on my "tendency to intolerantly try to shout down points of view I disagree with". Pot meet kettle.



    I would never call anyone a "brainless knucklehead".
    That kind of childish name-calling just makes you look bad.
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    Apr 26, 2011 5:24 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    I would never call anyone a "brainless knucklehead".
    That kind of childish name-calling just makes you look bad.


    If "brainless knucklehead" gets your panties in a wad, I've got a few more choice morsels that should send you right over the edge, but I think I will save them for 2012 when things will likely get really heated around here icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 26, 2011 5:43 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rickrick91 said
    I would never call anyone a "brainless knucklehead".
    That kind of childish name-calling just makes you look bad.


    If "brainless knucklehead" gets your panties in a wad, I've got a few more choice morsels that should send you right over the edge, but I think I will save them for 2012 when things will likely get really heated around here icon_wink.gif




    My "panties in a wad"?
    You're really making yourself look like shit with tired old crap like that.

    LMFAO!
    FYI - your name calling doesn't offend me.
    The fact is that I called you on your shit - (that lame "brainless knucklehead" comment) - and you don't like it.
    Tough shit.

    If you don't like getting caught doing some lame name-calling - then don't post lame name-calling.
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    Apr 26, 2011 5:59 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    The fact is that I called you on your shit - (that lame "brainless knucklehead" comment) - and you don't like it.
    Tough shit.

    If you don't like getting caught doing some lame name-calling - then don't post lame name-calling.



    "Getting caught"? "Called me on my shit"? And I care what you think about my posts because...????
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    Apr 26, 2011 9:33 AM GMT
    Higher taxers are Obama's way to stop you from thieving to fast.
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    Apr 26, 2011 12:42 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rickrick91 said
    I would never call anyone a "brainless knucklehead".
    That kind of childish name-calling just makes you look bad.


    If "brainless knucklehead" gets your panties in a wad, I've got a few more choice morsels that should send you right over the edge, but I think I will save them for 2012 when things will likely get really heated around here icon_wink.gif




    Hey CuriousJockAZ:

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    Apr 26, 2011 12:43 PM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie saidHigher taxers are Obama's way to stop you from thieving to fast.


    Higher taxes for the top 2%


    Are you one of the top 2% Aussie?
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    rickrick91 said
    The fact is that I called you on your shit - (that lame "brainless knucklehead" comment) - and you don't like it.
    Tough shit.

    If you don't like getting caught doing some lame name-calling - then don't post lame name-calling.



    "Getting caught"? "Called me on my shit"? And I care what you think about my posts because...????




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    Apr 26, 2011 1:59 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    Claude23 said
    LeanathleticDC saidYup.
    Plus, when we get a Repub president, we get:
    6.) Recession

    Every recession for the last 30 years has hit when there's been a Repub in the White House.


    1929
    1987
    2008

    Depression and 2 big recessions ........prior 8 years, Republican President.


    Yes and all three of those recessions are the result of supply side economics or reaganomics. Why dont the spineless Democrats use these years as examples when it come to debate on taxes???

    The way to pay down the debt is to get more tax revenue and that means increasing taxes on the rich. The poor and middle class already pay their fair share, its time the rich do the same.




    The poor and the middle class are going to take (another) hit, with the big government spending cuts that are coming.
    If the poor and the middle class are going to have to sacrifice to bring down the National Debt - then the rich damn well need to sacrifice too.
    By paying higher taxes.
    They sure as hell can afford it.





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    Apr 26, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
    LeanathleticDC said


    CuriousJockAZ

    New Pic....Same pathetic person.



    Now, now, c'mon...you know you don't really mean that icon_wink.gif To know me is to LOVE me -- if you don't believe me, just ask my mom icon_lol.gif
  • rnch

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    Apr 26, 2011 4:35 PM GMT
    as long as the GOP keeps up it's extreme pandering to the religious right and insists on not raising taxes on the ultra-rich voter will keep abandoning them.

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    Apr 26, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
    rnch saidas long as the GOP keeps up it's extreme pandering to the religious right and insists on not raising taxes on the ultra-rich voter will keep abandoning them.

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    Like they did in 2010? Hmmmmmm....
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    Apr 26, 2011 4:39 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rnch saidas long as the GOP keeps up it's extreme pandering to the religious right and insists on not raising taxes on the ultra-rich voter will keep abandoning them.

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    Like they did in 2010? Hmmmmmm....



    cz, if you really believe that what happened in 2010 will happen again in 2012; then you are totally out of touch with what the rest of the tax-paying world is going thru, experiencing and thinking and feeling TODAY.

    what IS it about you peeps in AZ????