Gay Christian?

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    Apr 26, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
    So i was wondering, why are so many people surprised by Christian gays? Just cause we are gay, does that mean we can share the same beliefs in God as others?

    Please share with me your opinion, and pls be respectful ... and yes i am reigious ...
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  • allanon

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    Apr 26, 2011 7:20 PM GMT
    I think so many people are surprised by us because they find it hard to believe that we could live in a community that is known to shun and spurn our type. That's at least one reason.

    Of course we are entitled to believe in the same God as others. Not to realize this is to be blind to our freedom as American citizens.

    It has taken me a long time to come to terms with who I am. I have always loved my Church and the community of Christians. However, in the church that I grew up in, tolerance was very limited for gays, as well as many other sub-groups of society. I spent years in denial of my own homosexuality. When i went to college, I spent some time away from the Catholic Church's influence on me, and I finally came to accept me for me, for what God created me to feel and to do.

    Now, I am faced with the challenge of trying to change the system from within. I find so much goodness in the core of the Catholic tradition that has not yet been realized, and I believe that acceptance of homosexuality is a step in the right direction for us. It is a challenge that I have greatly enjoyed so far. Of course, I have found a Catholic community here in Denver that is very supportive of all types of people, and that has helped me out a lot.
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:23 PM GMT
    allanonI think so many people are surprised by us because they find it hard to believe that we could live in a community that is known to shun and spurn our type.

    Allanon - this is a great perspective. It's almost as if we're stuck between two worlds. I find that many gay Christians have a really hard time fully investing in both.

    For many years I served as a minister. Many of my gay friends find it astonishing that I'm not only a practicing Christian, but also a former "professional Christian." I currently manage youth programs for LGBT kids. Many of my straight Christian friends (especially my former ministry colleagues) are baffled that I've become "professionally gay."

    I feel like a mystery wherever I go. Fortunately, I enjoy serving as a link between the worlds.

    In fact, I just started a blog (http://stillforus.wordpress.com) that explores how gay and God can fit together. I would love for you guys to check it out and contribute!
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:34 PM GMT
    I am a Christian and I do not hide it on here. Some guys probably look at my profile and get to the "I'm a Christian" part and go somehwere else, which is fine, but if they would talk to me they would see that I will never push it on them.
    I know the LGBT community has been shuned forever by some Christians but not all. Although I'm not out and don't really know the ridicule yet. I am proud of being a Christian and I don't hide it anymore. I don't know why but I used to not tell anyone. Its something to be proud of NOT ashamed of, funny the same thing could be said about being part of the LGBT community yet.............I'm too scared to tell anyone.
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:34 PM GMT
    ttma saidSo i was wondering, why are so many people surprised by Christian gays? Just cause we are gay, does that mean we can share the same beliefs in God as others?

    Please share with me your opinion, and pls be respectful ... and yes i am reigious ...
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    Its hard to be gay and christian when "christians" keep telling you are going to hell and want to change you into something you are not.

    As a means of self preservation, most gays separate themselves from the judgement and hate stemming from these "christians."
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:43 PM GMT
    i have come across people in the gay community who have become atheist or agnostic because of the church's opinion on homosexuality. i respect their decisions and try to understand them on why they are the way they are. being raised roman catholic, i know how religion looks upon those who are gay. this has not stopped me from losing my faith in god though. my christian friends have never stopped loving me for who i am and this also has helped me in many ways more than one.

    two things come to mind when i think of how religion looks upon the gay community:
    1. my god has never lost faith in me, why should i turn my back on him?
    2. god has created me in his image, and he doesn't make mistakes.
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
    Hotpocket99my god has never lost faith in me, why should i turn my back on him?


    Unfortunately, lots of gay people confuse God with the church. Just because individual churches say/do judgmental things, they assume that God must be judgmental as well. Instead of being Christ's representation and spokesman, the church ends up being a damaging source of misinformation.
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:56 PM GMT
    HotPocket99 saidi have come across people in the gay community who have become atheist or agnostic because of the church's opinion on homosexuality. i respect their decisions and try to understand them on why they are the way they are. being raised roman catholic, i know how religion looks upon those who are gay. this has not stopped me from losing my faith in god though. my christian friends have never stopped loving me for who i am and this also has helped me in many ways more than one.

    two things come to mind when i think of how religion looks upon the gay community:
    1. my god has never lost faith in me, why should i turn my back on him?
    2. god has created me in his image, and he doesn't make mistakes.


    Nicely said...+1
  • laxdude25

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    Apr 27, 2011 3:58 PM GMT
    I have a young friend, 23 yo, who comes from a very fundamentalist Korean/Christian background. He is a very passionate guy, and when we have connected he allows himself to become fully involved sexually. After, however, he is very guilty. We only see each other every 3-4 months now, after a period when we were seeing each other weekly. He is trying to make it work with a girlfriend, but admits that his needs for a m2m connection is very strong. Much of his confusion is driven by his fundamentalist Christian beliefs. Do those of you who are strong fundamentalist Christians responding to this thread have broader suggestions on how this young man can find comfort?
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    Apr 27, 2011 4:00 PM GMT
    HotPocket99 saidi have come across people in the gay community who have become atheist or agnostic because of the church's opinion on homosexuality. i respect their decisions and try to understand them on why they are the way they are. being raised roman catholic, i know how religion looks upon those who are gay. this has not stopped me from losing my faith in god though. my christian friends have never stopped loving me for who i am and this also has helped me in many ways more than one.

    two things come to mind when i think of how religion looks upon the gay community:
    1. my god has never lost faith in me, why should i turn my back on him?
    2. god has created me in his image, and he doesn't make mistakes.


    This is how I live. I am proud to be gay and proud to be a Christian. I hope and pray that I can shine God's love to others by telling some of our hurting Gay brothers and sisters, "God loves you and he always has" and by telling our Christian brothers and sisters, "God's love knows no boundaries, and your's shouldn't either."
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    Apr 27, 2011 4:03 PM GMT
    tryintofindme saidI am a Christian and I do not hide it on here. Some guys probably look at my profile and get to the "I'm a Christian" part and go somehwere else, which is fine, but if they would talk to me they would see that I will never push it on them.
    I know the LGBT community has been shuned forever by some Christians but not all. Although I'm not out and don't really know the ridicule yet. I am proud of being a Christian and I don't hide it anymore. I don't know why but I used to not tell anyone. Its something to be proud of NOT ashamed of, funny the same thing could be said about being part of the LGBT community yet.............I'm too scared to tell anyone.


    As proud as you are to be a christian, you should be equally proud to be gay. Accepting yourself does wonders.



    In my opinion Christianity and being gay aren't exactly the most compatible, one is always compromised and the two together cause internal conflict.
    Unless you make up your own rules or belief system (such as claiming that god loves you even though your gay while the rest of the community says otherwise); in which case, you're not really following the religion's precepts and you're not being fully christian, you're being something else. I know that not all denominations look down on homosexuality but the majority of them do. If you can reconcile the two, more power to you; but I just think it's funny to hear people still calling themselves by the name of a denomination that hates them. Don't get me wrong, I think that church can be a very positive environment. On occasion I still go to mass, but it's mostly for the music.


    TTMA - Sweety, you rock. I just disagree with you on God. I'll see you later tonight, I can't wait to snuggle.
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    Apr 27, 2011 4:16 PM GMT
    laxdude25 said... Much of his confusion is driven by his fundamentalist Christian beliefs. Do those of you who are strong fundamentalist Christians responding to this thread have broader suggestions on how this young man can find comfort?


    It might help to understand that fundamentalist Christianity not only condemns homosexuality, but also sex outside of marriage. If fact, many preachers use this (sex outside of marriage) as the button they push when they want people to “recognize their sin.” Since we’re all sexual people… this guilt button usually works. It programs us to feel guilty about sex. So…

    When you combine guilt about sex with guilt about gay… it’s pretty toxic. That might not help you offer comfort… but it might offer perspective on where he’s coming from.
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    Apr 27, 2011 4:23 PM GMT
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    laxdude25 said... Much of his confusion is driven by his fundamentalist Christian beliefs. Do those of you who are strong fundamentalist Christians responding to this thread have broader suggestions on how this young man can find comfort?


    It might help to understand that fundamentalist Christianity not only condemns homosexuality, but also sex outside of marriage. If fact, many preachers use this (sex outside of marriage) as the button they push when they want people to “recognize their sin.” Since we’re all sexual people… this guilt button usually works. It programs us to feel guilty about sex. So…

    When you combine guilt about sex with guilt about gay… it’s pretty toxic. That might not help you offer comfort… but it might offer perspective on where he’s coming from.


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    Apr 27, 2011 4:30 PM GMT
    HotPocket99 saidi have come across people in the gay community who have become atheist or agnostic because of the church's opinion on homosexuality. i respect their decisions and try to understand them on why they are the way they are. being raised roman catholic, i know how religion looks upon those who are gay. this has not stopped me from losing my faith in god though. my christian friends have never stopped loving me for who i am and this also has helped me in many ways more than one.

    two things come to mind when i think of how religion looks upon the gay community:
    1. my god has never lost faith in me, why should i turn my back on him?
    2. god has created me in his image, and he doesn't make mistakes.


    couldn't have said it any better!
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    Apr 27, 2011 4:51 PM GMT
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    Apr 27, 2011 5:19 PM GMT
    I wouldn't say I'm surprised by gay religious people. I can only imagine the struggles and conflicts a religious person goes through trying to come to terms about being gay.

    I'm trying to be respectful. In Western everyday life religion is considered a private matter, however this is not the case in intimate relationships or friendships.

    While I cannot pick my family I can definitely select my friends and lovers.

    I would feel like a square peg in a round hole as I consider religious beliefs a fundamental attribute to one's core and I don't share these religious beliefs myself.

    Thus for me is avoidance and not surprise. I don't know if this is right or wrong. I don't care. I'm not harming, or trying to change anyone.
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    Apr 27, 2011 5:35 PM GMT
    Rubic0n said
    tryintofindme saidI am a Christian and I do not hide it on here. Some guys probably look at my profile and get to the "I'm a Christian" part and go somehwere else, which is fine, but if they would talk to me they would see that I will never push it on them.
    I know the LGBT community has been shuned forever by some Christians but not all. Although I'm not out and don't really know the ridicule yet. I am proud of being a Christian and I don't hide it anymore. I don't know why but I used to not tell anyone. Its something to be proud of NOT ashamed of, funny the same thing could be said about being part of the LGBT community yet.............I'm too scared to tell anyone.


    As proud as you are to be a christian, you should be equally proud to be gay. Accepting yourself does wonders.



    In my opinion Christianity and being gay aren't exactly the most compatible, one is always compromised and the two together cause internal conflict.
    Unless you make up your own rules or belief system (such as claiming that god loves you even though your gay while the rest of the community says otherwise); in which case, you're not really following the religion's precepts and you're not being fully christian, you're being something else. I know that not all denominations look down on homosexuality but the majority of them do. If you can reconcile the two, more power to you; but I just think it's funny to hear people still calling themselves by the name of a denomination that hates them. Don't get me wrong, I think that church can be a very positive environment. On occasion I still go to mass, but it's mostly for the music.


    TTMA - Sweety, you rock. I just disagree with you on God. I'll see you later tonight, I can't wait to snuggle.


    First of all, internal conflict in a flawed institution such as every sect of Christianity is a good thing. It is only through this conflict that change for the good can come about. As a gay Catholic, I do everything I can to raise civil conflict in the areas that are unjust or prejudiced. It is something that we should embrace.

    Also, I don't know anyone who has fully embraced the Christianity that they belong to. No one, as far as I can tell, not even Catholic priests, is "fully" Christian, as it was put. Everyone has their own individual take on the Christianity from which they come. Again, it is in this testing of the boundaries, the death of the original entity for the sake of its resurrection in new life, that change is made for the good.
  • matt13226

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    Apr 27, 2011 5:59 PM GMT
    Well looking back to when my grandparents were younger they were told that being gay is a sin by their parents and the church. In that aspect I think is wrong the church says to read the bible and follow it well you have to remember that the old testament was written when God was a fierce and none tolerable God as to say meaning he was harsh on the people most of the stuff in the old testament talk about homosexuality and how it is wrong but in the new testament God is loving and caring and they don't talk about that. I guess my point is idk what other people think is right or whatever but I believe that God will always love you for who you are not what you are and God will judge everyone in the end.
  • Vaughn

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    Apr 27, 2011 6:06 PM GMT
    Unless you're gay or a woman. Sex is bad, don't masturbate!
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    Apr 27, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    I'm not, but I met a guy that is.
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    Apr 27, 2011 6:12 PM GMT
    I used to go to church and tried to be a good Christian. I soon discovered that I didn't belong there. They made that abundantly clear. Until then, I never really questioned Christianity.

    Now that I have, I have discovered as my own personal truth that the Bible is bull shit. There may well be a creator or whatever, but why does it have to be this particular god. or any god that we know of for that matter. I see no evidence that any entity wants us to worship it or even to act any certain way.

    For me, religion is a construct made by man to control the actions/thoughts of other men.

    My opinion.
  • Vaughn

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    Apr 27, 2011 6:15 PM GMT
    Christianity hasn't been good for society... Just saying. It even fucks up our modern political system. Don't vote for him, he isn't a creationist.
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    Apr 27, 2011 8:02 PM GMT
    Vaughn saidChristianity hasn't been good for society... Just saying. It even fucks up our modern political system. Don't vote for him, he isn't a creationist.


    I agree.
    Let's just ignore the fossil record and all scientific findings of the 21st century.
  • suedeheadscot

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    Apr 27, 2011 8:17 PM GMT
    I don't think your leaders do your faith's reputation any favours, my friend.
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    Apr 27, 2011 8:21 PM GMT
    I knwo a lot of gay Catholics, to them its not really a problem, as most Catholics see the biblical and saint-stories more like nice elaborate fairy tales...