I JUST CAUGHT A 26-YO GAY CROOK

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    Apr 26, 2011 8:56 PM GMT
    To any dishonest men who buy stuff online, then claim they didn't and go to your bank to reverse charges, take heed. I just caught a 26-yo gay son red-handed, and his parents aren't too happy.

    Over the past two months I had someone from AZ make over $100 in online purchases. Then recently I've been getting chargeback requests (meaning they claim they did not make purchases). However, I log IP addresses, and had the mailing address on file. I contacted the owner of the house, a high-profile business man, who says he owns that house but only his wife and her son live there. After talking to both of them, they were made aware, at first to their disbelief, that their son would so such a thing. Until I told them how their son described himself in his profile (26, 140 lb, 5'9"). It matches him.

    Then they told me he was gay. The father was like, yep, that sounds like he'd do that. The wife was at first apprehensive, until I gave her more details. I finally had to break it to her, "your son is lying to you." They will be sending me a check for lost revenue.

    So.......if any of you lie, and commit these kinds of crimes, just know, you WILL be caught. I'd hate to be that kid tonight.
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    Apr 26, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
    I'm guessing you do these things for a living?
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    Apr 26, 2011 9:11 PM GMT
    That happened to me twice when I first started selling stuff online.
    It fucking sucks.
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    Apr 26, 2011 9:47 PM GMT
    Good on you for following through!
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    Apr 26, 2011 10:01 PM GMT
    I've never heard of a "charge-back"...but wouldn't it be a good idea to withhold shipping until the funds have cleared?? What payment method are you using?
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    Apr 26, 2011 10:07 PM GMT
    Friendsrbetter saidI've never heard of a "charge-back"...but wouldn't it be a good idea to withhold shipping until the funds have cleared?? What payment method are you using?


    The items were paid via credit card, so the funds were cleared and items were shipped right away. A chargeback is when someone claims they didn't make a credit card purchase later, tells their bank, and the merchant gets a chargeback notice and funds are removed from the merchant's bank account. It's called STEALING.

    That's why adequate records (IP addresses, log files, etc) are needed to fight the chargeback and get the funds back to the merchant.
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    Apr 26, 2011 10:11 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidA chargeback is when someone claims they didn't make a credit card purchase later, tells their bank, and the merchant gets a chargeback notice and funds are removed from the merchant's bank account. It's called STEALING.
    And unfortunately, it's very common in online sales, which is why online vending is considered a high risk operation (especially if you're selling non-tangible/downloadable material).

    Fortunately, chargebacks are much easier to reverse now. They used to be a huge pain in the ass.
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    Apr 26, 2011 10:17 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    wrestlervic saidA chargeback is when someone claims they didn't make a credit card purchase later, tells their bank, and the merchant gets a chargeback notice and funds are removed from the merchant's bank account. It's called STEALING.
    And unfortunately, it's very common in online sales, which is why online vending is considered a high risk operation (especially if you're selling non-tangible/downloadable material).

    Fortunately, chargebacks are much easier to reverse now. They used to be a huge pain in the ass.


    I once had a husband use his ex-wife's credit card to buy a wrestling video. I was suspicious and contacted her (since her name was listed as the buyer and it was her card). Now she knows (figured out) he is gay and a con artist.

    The majority of credit card crimes aren't people who have had their cards used by someone else, though, they are by people who KNOW they made a purchase, received the product, then lie and say they never did it.

    I HUNT them down when it happens to me. icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 26, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidI once had a husband use his ex-wife's credit card to buy a wrestling video. I was suspicious and contacted her (since her name was listed as the buyer and it was her card). Now she knows (figured out) he is gay and a con artist.

    The majority of credit card crimes aren't people who have had their cards used by someone else, though, they are by people who KNOW they made a purchase, received the product, then lie and say they never did it.

    I HUNT them down when it happens to me. icon_wink.gif
    I wish I had a dollar for every time someone bought a membership to my site then said they couldn't log in, threatening to make a chargeback.

    Oh wait...I do. Fuckers didn't realize how easy it was to debunk their claim. icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 27, 2011 12:11 AM GMT
    I heard chargebacks were good, also, if you went out to eat somewhere and totally disliked the service or food and contacted your credit card company. For example.
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    Apr 27, 2011 12:16 AM GMT
    He must not be a very good crook since he's 26 and still lives with his parents.
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    Apr 27, 2011 12:24 AM GMT
    michalchi29 saidHe must not be a very good crook since he's 26 and still lives with his parents.


    Lots of 26 year old still live with their parents today. Thats why they can still be on their parents health care benefits.icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 27, 2011 12:27 AM GMT
    mynyun saidI heard chargebacks were good, also, if you went out to eat somewhere and totally disliked the service or food and contacted your credit card company. For example.


    No honey, that's not how you handle bad food or poor service. You ask the restaurant for a refund or credit. After all you did eat the food. If you bought and read a book and didn't like it, do you try to reverse the credit charge? Who brought you up?
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    Apr 27, 2011 12:27 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidThen they told me he was gay. The father was like, yep, that sounds like he'd do that. The wife was at first apprehensive, until I gave her more details. I finally had to break it to her, "your son is lying to you." They will be sending me a check for lost revenue.

    I'm not happy to hear about the gay comments. Is that relevant? Like all gays are dishonest, that his parents volunteered that? Your narrative seems to suggest his father thinks that.

    A real landmine field with online transactions. I buy online all the time, but only with reputable companies, never with individuals.
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    Apr 27, 2011 12:27 AM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie said
    michalchi29 saidHe must not be a very good crook since he's 26 and still lives with his parents.


    Lots of 26 year old still live with their parents today. Thats why they can still be on their parents health care benefits.icon_wink.gif


    I think his point is, and I agree completely, he's not some major scammer living the good life on someone else's dime...oh wait, yes he is...just scamming those he loves as well as strangers.

    Sad.
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    Apr 27, 2011 12:32 AM GMT
    mynyun saidI heard chargebacks were good, also, if you went out to eat somewhere and totally disliked the service or food and contacted your credit card company. For example.


    ooo badbadbad.
    All the restaurant has to do is produce your signed receipt, then you are in trouble with your bank for fraud.

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    Apr 27, 2011 12:33 AM GMT
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    wrestlervic saidThen they told me he was gay. The father was like, yep, that sounds like he'd do that. The wife was at first apprehensive, until I gave her more details. I finally had to break it to her, "your son is lying to you." They will be sending me a check for lost revenue.

    I'm not happy to hear about the gay comments. Is that relevant? Like all gays are dishonest, that his parents volunteered that? Your narrative seems to suggest his father thinks that.

    A real landmine field with online transactions. I buy online all the time, but only with reputable companies, never with individuals.


    His stepfather realized the homoeroticism of the video (wrestling) ordered, then told me the kid (adult) was gay, so it made sense he would place the order. He wasn't dissing gays.
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    Apr 27, 2011 12:40 AM GMT
    Revenge is like banging a rainbow over a waterfall isn't it? I just got some myself - in a completely unrelated topic.
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    Apr 27, 2011 12:40 AM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    mynyun saidI heard chargebacks were good, also, if you went out to eat somewhere and totally disliked the service or food and contacted your credit card company. For example.


    No honey, that's not how you handle bad food or poor service. You ask the restaurant for a refund or credit. After all you did eat the food. If you bought and read a book and didn't like it, do you try to reverse the credit charge? Who brought you up?



    Hey, I said I heard that. Didn't say I did it. Someone who said they worked for a chargeback service. That is why I ASKED that question here. Geez.
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    Apr 27, 2011 12:45 AM GMT
    I sell online all the time icon_smile.gif, computer and automotive goods. I am honest tho. I get the rotten apple once in a while who will claim i sold something defective after they messed it up, but i always win ( pictures as evidence FTW).
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    Apr 27, 2011 1:56 AM GMT
    iRaptor saidRevenge is like banging a rainbow over a waterfall isn't it?


    icon_lol.gif

    That's some of the most beautiful imagery ever!
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:14 AM GMT
    mynyun said
    wrestlervic said
    mynyun saidI heard chargebacks were good, also, if you went out to eat somewhere and totally disliked the service or food and contacted your credit card company. For example.


    No honey, that's not how you handle bad food or poor service. You ask the restaurant for a refund or credit. After all you did eat the food. If you bought and read a book and didn't like it, do you try to reverse the credit charge? Who brought you up?



    Hey, I said I heard that. Didn't say I did it. Someone who said they worked for a chargeback service. That is why I ASKED that question here. Geez.


    What you may have heard is that with some CC companies some of the perks are that you can get your money back out of a bad sale. I know with my AmEx card if I buy something and then the merchant won't take it back I can file with AmEx and I won't get charged for it (with plenty of fine print though icon_rolleyes.gif ). The merchant still gets their money though.