Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen

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    Apr 27, 2011 12:29 PM GMT
    The more I pay attention, the more I realize that these two guys are very powerful advocates for the GLBT community. They are openly gay, but (like many of us) walk through their lives doing their job without making an issue of it. They own their sexuality, but they do not let it define them. They are both very good at their jobs and clearly are smart, hard-working and insightful entertainment/news personalities. The face that they put on GLBT is the face of many of us.

    I have growing respect for these guys. Andy, especially. As the Executive Vice President of Original Programming at BRAVO, he has not shirked away from shows with homosexual themes.... and they made $$$$ for the network and earned Grammy awards. He was executive producer of "Tabitha's Salon Makeover" and "Kathy Griffin's My Life on the D-List" and "Project Runway" and other shows. He proves that "Pink Money" is a big deal. In the struggle for civil rights for blacks in America, Frederick Douglas once said, "For the Black Man to achieve true equality, he must first achieve financial equality." The same holds true for GLBT equality, IMHO.

    Props to these two men who represent us in the public eye in a manner which I support. Proudly gay, but not solely defined by it. That is how I choose to live my life. I am working on it.

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    Alpha_Muscle saidThey own their sexuality, but they do not let it define them. They are both very good at their jobs and clearly are smart, hard-working and insightful entertainment/news personalities. The face that they put on GLBT is the face of many of us.

    Props to these two men who represent us in the public eye in a manner which I support. Proudly gay, but not solely defined by it. That is how I choose to live my life. I am working on it.


    Hi I am genuinally curious to what it means when people say they are not defined by their sexuality . I hear this alot and made a thread about it http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1458231/, but didn't really get clear cut answers. I mean what is your definition of being "definded by one's sexuality"?

    I am generally curious because this seems to be a thing only Male Homosexuals say, because I never hear Lesbians or Heterosexuals say: "I don't let my sexuality define me" What is that supposed to mean anyway?
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    Alpha_Muscle saidThey own their sexuality, but they do not let it define them. They are both very good at their jobs and clearly are smart, hard-working and insightful entertainment/news personalities. The face that they put on GLBT is the face of many of us.

    Props to these two men who represent us in the public eye in a manner which I support. Proudly gay, but not solely defined by it. That is how I choose to live my life. I am working on it.


    Hi I am genuinally curious to what it means when people say they are not defined by their sexuality . I hear this alot and made a thread about it http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1458231/, but didn't really get clear cut answers. I mean what is your definition of being "definded by one's sexuality"?

    I am generally curious because this seems to be a thing only Male Homosexuals say, because I never hear Lesbians or Heterosexuals say: "I don't let my sexuality define me" What is that supposed to mean anyway?


    I can tell you what it means to me. I dont know about anyone else.

    When society finds out you are a gay man, it tries really hard to put you into a box fo stereotypes, which may or may not be positive. Some of the people you interact with treat you differently or talk differently. I have found that some gay men (certainly fewer these days) would anticipate this type of discrimination/bias by being defiant, ironic, sarcastic or humorous about their sexuality. As I write this, what I mean is that I have witnessed some gay men who "define themselves" by their sexuality by beating society to the punch. "I will talk about my sexuality before the people I interact with put me into a box."... it is a strategy, and not a bad one, of pre-empting the conversation or the discussion with one's own views of what it means to be homosexual.

    But when I talk about someone NOT being defined by their own homosexuality, I mean that when someone interacts with them, they let their talents, their intelligence and their persona be the driving force of someone's impression of them. The straight people who intereact with them truly forget they are homosexual, although the gay guy isn't hiding it. It is a fully integrated moment between a homosexual guy and a straight person.

    Heterosexuals are not the victims of a negative stereotype, and lesbians have a totally different dynamic with which they wrestle. Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen are both gay. They are openly gay. They will discuss, within context, the fact that they are gay. But it isn't the first thing that straight people see... they see that both of these men are larger than their sexuality. it is a very difficult thing to achieve and they are both achieving it well.

    Some reading this will say, "But I am more than my sexuality to!! Why are these guys different!!" and my response is that they have shown SOCIETY that they are larger and more complex than simply being gay. It is a good thing for us all, IMHO, and helps to drive home the point that gay guys are just guys.... regular guys. Am I a gay lawyer? I hope not. I hope that I am a lawyer who is gay. From society's point of view, there is a tremendous difference between those. A gay lawyer is defined by his sexuality. A lawyer who is gay is not.

    This is just my opinion... i would welcome others.
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:27 PM GMT
    DodgedBullet said
    Alpha_Muscle saidThey own their sexuality, but they do not let it define them. They are both very good at their jobs and clearly are smart, hard-working and insightful entertainment/news personalities. The face that they put on GLBT is the face of many of us.

    Props to these two men who represent us in the public eye in a manner which I support. Proudly gay, but not solely defined by it. That is how I choose to live my life. I am working on it.


    Hi I am genuinally curious to what it means when people say they are not defined by their sexuality . I hear this alot and made a thread about it http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1458231/, but didn't really get clear cut answers. I mean what is your definition of being "definded by one's sexuality"?

    I am generally curious because this seems to be a thing only Male Homosexuals say, because I never hear Lesbians or Heterosexuals say: "I don't let my sexuality define me" What is that supposed to mean anyway?


    I think you know full well what being defined by your sexuality means. There is a subset of gay men who absolutely immerse themselves in every aspect of the gay world (both the positive and negative aspects) and eschew anything they view as heteronormative (monogamy, marriage, etc). They only have gay friends, only go to gay bars, and generally uphold a good proportion of the stereotypes.

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    Apr 27, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
    Alpha_Muscle saidThe more I pay attention, the more I realize that these two guys are very powerful advocates for the GLBT community. They are openly gay, but (like many of us) walk through their lives doing their job without making an issue of it. They own their sexuality, but they do not let it define them. They are both very good at their jobs and clearly are smart, hard-working and insightful entertainment/news personalities. The face that they put on GLBT is the face of many of us.

    I have growing respect for these guys. Andy, especially. As the Executive Vice President of Original Programming at BRAVO, he has not shirked away from shows with homosexual themes.... and they made $$$$ for the network and earned Grammy awards. He was executive producer of "Tabitha's Salon Makeover" and "Kathy Griffin's My Life on the D-List" and "Project Runway" and other shows. He proves that "Pink Money" is a big deal. In the struggle for civil rights for blacks in America, Frederick Douglas once said, "For the Black Man to achieve true equality, he must first achieve financial equality." The same holds true for GLBT equality, IMHO.

    Props to these two men who represent us in the public eye in a manner which I support. Proudly gay, but not solely defined by it. That is how I choose to live my life. I am working on it.



    I have to correct something here, Anderson Cooper has NEVER made a public statement that he was homosexual. He is well known to keep it very private.
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    Apr 27, 2011 4:02 PM GMT
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    Alpha_Muscle saidThe more I pay attention, the more I realize that these two guys are very powerful advocates for the GLBT community. They are openly gay, but (like many of us) walk through their lives doing their job without making an issue of it. They own their sexuality, but they do not let it define them. They are both very good at their jobs and clearly are smart, hard-working and insightful entertainment/news personalities. The face that they put on GLBT is the face of many of us.



    I have to correct something here, Anderson Cooper has NEVER made a public statement that he was homosexual. He is well known to keep it very private.


    Okay... I stand corrected; I didn't know that. I thought everyone knew and that he had come out of the closet?

    He chooses how to live his life and not me. I still think he is a good journalist and a smart voice for increasing awareness.
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    Apr 27, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
    Neither have claimed their gay status...
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    Apr 27, 2011 4:15 PM GMT
    TrevorMark saidNeither have claimed their gay status...
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    Apr 27, 2011 4:17 PM GMT
    TrevorMark saidNeither have claimed their gay status...


    Andy Cohen has. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andy-cohen-to-become-first-openly-gay-late-night-host/

    "During last night’s “Real Housewives of New Jersey” reunion special, it got real (well, more real than usual) when host Andy Cohen stepped in to express his personal opinion about one of the housewives’ husbands loose use of the term “gay” as an insult. “I’ll jump in, and I have no business jumping in, but I’m gay, and I thought it was offensive,” said Cohen. “I mean, I just want to say…I think it was offensive.”
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    Apr 27, 2011 4:39 PM GMT
    Alpha_Muscle said
    TrevorMark saidNeither have claimed their gay status...


    Andy Cohen has. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andy-cohen-to-become-first-openly-gay-late-night-host/

    "During last night’s “Real Housewives of New Jersey” reunion special, it got real (well, more real than usual) when host Andy Cohen stepped in to express his personal opinion about one of the housewives’ husbands loose use of the term “gay” as an insult. “I’ll jump in, and I have no business jumping in, but I’m gay, and I thought it was offensive,” said Cohen. “I mean, I just want to say…I think it was offensive.”


    Cohen yes, Cooper is well know to have not.
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    Jun 24, 2011 1:22 PM GMT
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    I can tell you what it means to me. I dont know about anyone else.

    When society finds out you are a gay man, it tries really hard to put you into a box fo stereotypes, which may or may not be positive. Some of the people you interact with treat you differently or talk differently. I have found that some gay men (certainly fewer these days) would anticipate this type of discrimination/bias by being defiant, ironic, sarcastic or humorous about their sexuality. As I write this, what I mean is that I have witnessed some gay men who "define themselves" by their sexuality by beating society to the punch. "I will talk about my sexuality before the people I interact with put me into a box."... it is a strategy, and not a bad one, of pre-empting the conversation or the discussion with one's own views of what it means to be homosexual.

    But when I talk about someone NOT being defined by their own homosexuality, I mean that when someone interacts with them, they let their talents, their intelligence and their persona be the driving force of someone's impression of them. The straight people who intereact with them truly forget they are homosexual, although the gay guy isn't hiding it. It is a fully integrated moment between a homosexual guy and a straight person.

    Heterosexuals are not the victims of a negative stereotype, and lesbians have a totally different dynamic with which they wrestle. Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen are both gay. They are openly gay. They will discuss, within context, the fact that they are gay. But it isn't the first thing that straight people see... they see that both of these men are larger than their sexuality. it is a very difficult thing to achieve and they are both achieving it well.

    Some reading this will say, "But I am more than my sexuality to!! Why are these guys different!!" and my response is that they have shown SOCIETY that they are larger and more complex than simply being gay. It is a good thing for us all, IMHO, and helps to drive home the point that gay guys are just guys.... regular guys. Am I a gay lawyer? I hope not. I hope that I am a lawyer who is gay. From society's point of view, there is a tremendous difference between those. A gay lawyer is defined by his sexuality. A lawyer who is gay is not.

    This is just my opinion... i would welcome others.


    +1000 I couldn't agree more or have stated this any better!!!! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 24, 2011 1:30 PM GMT
    Yes I am defined my sexuality just as much as I am defined by being a African American it's who I am. Are you kidding me! I find it funny when I hear gay men say that. And yet we will sleep with any guy under the sun, just as long as he's hot! If that is not a clear definintion of your sexuality then what is? Good Lord!icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    @ Alpha I find it funny that in your original post you would write about Anderson Copper with such high esteem and the man is so deep in closet, that you would need a high powered flash light to find him. Funny.
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    Jun 24, 2011 1:55 PM GMT
    Andy Cohen? You can't be serious! That hack is a walking gay stereotype who continues to dumb down society with trash like the Housewives franchise.
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    Jun 24, 2011 5:10 PM GMT
    Ducky47 said @ Alpha I find it funny that in your original post you would write about Anderson Copper with such high esteem and the man is so deep in closet, that you would need a high powered flash light to find him. Funny.


    Anderson Cooper is not deep in the closet. Someone who is deep in the closet lies and beards like a Tom Cruise or John Travolta.

    Anderson never denies all the reports that he is gay or beards. He's seen and photographed all over the place with his boyfriend, including taking him as a date to the Vanity Fair party and riding on the top of a Mardi Gras parade float of honor with him. He does a New Years countdown show giggling with Kathy Griffin and chatting with guests like Lance Bass and a drag queen in a giant high heel. He hasn't given an official "I'm gay!" press release, but that's it.
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    Jun 24, 2011 5:37 PM GMT
    I agree Alpha. They do show society a very different side of homosexuality than much of 'middle america' often sees. They see the Pride celebrations and affix an inclusive image from that, where as guys like Anderson Cooper, even though not openly out, put a much more private 'other end of the spectrum' image of gays. There are two ends of that spectrum and it's nice to see each getting face time.
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    Jun 24, 2011 6:57 PM GMT
    Well, I guess based on Alpha's view on being defined by sexual orientation, it could be argued that a heterosexual male could be defined by his heterosexuality when he lives a promiscuous life, watches only spike & sportscenter, can't keep a committed relationship if he actually tried, frequents strip clubs, wears his ball cap backwards, grunts at the gym and talks down on women in the sexual objective sense.
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    Jun 24, 2011 7:03 PM GMT
    Slightly off topic, but Anderson Cooper is damn gorgeous.

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    Jun 24, 2011 7:06 PM GMT
    UtahCapita saidSlightly off topic, but Anderson Cooper is damn gorgeous.

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    Hahaha...Anderson Cooper is NEVER off topic!
    But I find that his brain is his most attractive feature. I'm not saying that he isn't outwardly attractive, but dinner with him would be very intoxicating.
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    UtahCapita saidSlightly off topic, but Anderson Cooper is damn gorgeous.

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    Hahaha...Anderson Cooper is NEVER off topic!
    But I find that his brain is his most attractive feature. I'm not saying that he isn't outwardly attractive, but dinner with him would be very intoxicating.


    Anything and everything with him would be intoxicating. What a catch.
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    Jun 24, 2011 7:11 PM GMT
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    UtahCapita saidSlightly off topic, but Anderson Cooper is damn gorgeous.

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    Hahaha...Anderson Cooper is NEVER off topic!
    But I find that his brain is his most attractive feature. I'm not saying that he isn't outwardly attractive, but dinner with him would be very intoxicating.


    Or a swim. But agreeed none of the less.

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    Jun 24, 2011 7:15 PM GMT
    Another off-topic post- CNN anchor Don Lemon has recently revealed he was gay. In an interview with Joy Behar, he said, "I was born gay."

    http://youtu.be/L57chjPy7SA

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    Jun 24, 2011 7:21 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidAnother off-topic post- CNN anchor Don Lemon has recently revealed he was gay. In an interview with Joy Behar, he said, "I was born gay."

    http://youtu.be/L57chjPy7SA

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    Jun 24, 2011 7:49 PM GMT
    @ Jeff00

    Mr. Cooper has been asked he, and never ANSWERED FREAKING the question. Personally I could give a flip. To say that he is "OPENLY GAY" is just not true! It really does not matter that he photographed with his supposed bf. I think if you are in the public eye you should because you serve as a role model for a lot of youths, you should be as transparent as possible.

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    Jun 24, 2011 7:57 PM GMT
    Someone needs to be a role model for all those young kids who watch CNN. It's just not right that they don't have a middle-aged newscaster they can look up to.
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    Jun 24, 2011 7:57 PM GMT
    wait wait wait wait...

    Anderson Cooper is gay?

    Since when?