Obama Releases Long Form Birth Certificate

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    Apr 27, 2011 1:51 PM GMT


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42779923/ns/politics-white_house/

    Will the birthers continue to make stuff up and ignore the facts?
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    Apr 27, 2011 1:59 PM GMT
    This will undoubtedly not satisfy the crazy birther people. That being said, had Obama done this years ago there would have not been near the mystery and bruhaha surrounding it. The fact that he waited until now was part of the problem.
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    Apr 27, 2011 1:59 PM GMT
    I don't believe for a second that this will change anything, because the "birther" movement was never about Obama's citizenship, it was about the fact he's black.

    Conspiracy theories are essentially irrefutable unfortunately, because the participants don't have a grasp of epistemology.
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    Apr 27, 2011 2:01 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWhy didn't he do this in the first place?


    Because you can't argue with stupid. Just brings you down to their level. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 27, 2011 2:03 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidI don't believe for a second that this will change anything, because the "birther" movement was never about Obama's citizenship, it was about the fact he's black.

    Conspiracy theories are essentially irrefutable unfortunately, because the participants don't have a grasp of epistemology.

    False. He also ignored requests from the Hillary Clinton campaign to release it. Is she a racist also?
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    Apr 27, 2011 2:04 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidWhy didn't he do this in the first place?


    Because you can't argue with stupid. Just brings you down to their level. icon_lol.gif


    And because that's not how the state of Hawaii issues birth certificates.

    As Tim said, this is about his being black, not born elsewhere. It's always been a smoke screen for racism.
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    Apr 27, 2011 2:09 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    catfish5 said
    southbeach1500 saidWhy didn't he do this in the first place?


    Because you can't argue with stupid. Just brings you down to their level. icon_lol.gif


    And because that's not how the state of Hawaii issues birth certificates.

    As Tim said, this is about his being black, not born elsewhere. It's always been a smoke screen for racism.



    Regardless of where the root of all this may lie, Obama could have circumvented a great deal of this by just providing the birth certificate in the beginning when this issue, right or wrong, became, in fact, an issue several years ago. He didn't do that, and that in itself raised questions. What resulted was conspiracy theories and mystery surrounding Obama's birth certificate that Obama could have prevented.
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    Apr 27, 2011 2:28 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 said
    catfish5 said
    southbeach1500 saidWhy didn't he do this in the first place?


    Because you can't argue with stupid. Just brings you down to their level. icon_lol.gif


    And because that's not how the state of Hawaii issues birth certificates.

    As Tim said, this is about his being black, not born elsewhere. It's always been a smoke screen for racism.



    Regardless of where the root of all this may lie, Obama could have circumvented a great deal of this by just providing the birth certificate in the beginning when this issue, right or wrong, became, in fact, an issue several years ago. He didn't do that, and that in itself raised questions. What resulted was conspiracy theories and mystery surrounding Obama's birth certificate that Obama could have prevented.


    He released his birth certificate numerous times. Numerous people saw the long-form, signed affidavits attesting to it's authenticity, and so on. Lawsuits were filed and dismissed because they were ridiculous.

    That wasn't good enough for the conspiracy theorists because - as Tim noted - they're not interested in being proven wrong.

    I guarantee that the "birthers" will now claim this document is fraudulent.

    This is not an Obama issue. It's a racist, douche bag issue.
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    Apr 27, 2011 2:35 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    This is not an Obama issue. It's a racist, douche bag issue.



    Oh, but it IS an Obama issue. He could have done what he did today when this issue first came up. It's not like it was all that hard to do --- just show the damn birth certificate. His lack of action years ago is largely responsible for it becoming the "racist, douche bag" issue that it became
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    Apr 27, 2011 2:35 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis will undoubtedly not satisfy the crazy birther people. That being said, had Obama done this years ago there would have not been near the mystery and bruhaha surrounding it. The fact that he waited until now was part of the problem.



    From outside looking in: I'd say it was rather well played. Basically, all the foaming and ranting people (jockfever on here being one of them) have made themselves look like complete asses.

    I've mentioned before that the Bush gov't would have used Obama's NOT being a US born citizen to disqualify him in '08. As well, the FBI and CIA are not completely stupid.

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    Apr 27, 2011 2:38 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    I've mentioned before that the Bush gov't would have used Obama's NOT being a US born citizen to disqualify him in '08. As well, the FBI and CIA are not completely stupid.




    No one is arguing that the whole issue isn't ridiculous. All the more reason why it's just silly that Obama didn't do what he did today -- release the birth certificate -- years ago. Is it any real surprise that his refusal to do so raised questions?
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    Apr 27, 2011 2:39 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 said
    This is not an Obama issue. It's a racist, douche bag issue.



    Oh, but it IS an Obama issue. He could have done what he did today when this issue first came up. It's not like it was all that hard to do --- just show the damn birth certificate. His lack of action years ago is largely responsible for it becoming the "racist, douche bag" issue that it became


    He provided the short form (the form that is typically used for the state of HI). It was the birthers that carried the issue to the point of being illogical.

    Now you want to blame Obama for the birthers craziness?
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    Apr 27, 2011 2:42 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    Now you want to blame Obama for the birthers craziness?


    No, I want to blame Obama for allowing the craziness to go on as long as he did, thereby raising even more questions and creating a mystery around a birth certificate he seemingly wasn't willing to produce --- until today.
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    Apr 27, 2011 2:53 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    catfish5 said
    Now you want to blame Obama for the birthers craziness?


    No, I want to blame Obama for allowing the craziness to go on as long as he did, thereby raising even more questions and creating a mystery around a birth certificate he seemingly wasn't willing to produce --- until today.


    What was wrong with his short form birth certificate then?
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    Apr 27, 2011 2:57 PM GMT
    Some of you guys are completely nuts.

    What he originally released is what EVERYONE who is born in Hawai'i has. They don't release the long form Certificate of Live Birth.

    The state did agree earlier to let several journalists look at the long form certificate in its files, which was reported at the time, but that satisfied no one.

    It took special negotiations between the President's personal lawyer and the state of Hawai'i to get them to release a copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The President released it as soon as he got it.

    Amazing.
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:01 PM GMT
    "[White House Communications Director] Pfeiffer said the president asked his counsel to go through the legal options of asking the state of Hawaii to make an exception to release a form of birth certificate not normally made public. Pfeiffer said the state agreed to do so, “in part because of the tremendous volume of requests they had been getting.”

    My understanding was that Hawaii doesn't publicly release copies of full birth certificates for ANYONE, not just the President. What they provide is the short form, which Obama had in fact made public.

    But obviously Trump and other Birthers are now focusing on the "delay" aspect to cast doubt on the authenticity of this document. It's clear that secret US Government agents infiltrated the Hawaii State archives to plant this phony document, it's just taken them all this time to do it. icon_rolleyes.gif

    longformbirthcertificate.pdf
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:06 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    catfish5 said
    Now you want to blame Obama for the birthers craziness?


    No, I want to blame Obama for allowing the craziness to go on as long as he did, thereby raising even more questions and creating a mystery around a birth certificate he seemingly wasn't willing to produce --- until today.



    So you want to blame Obama for allowing the crazy nut jobs to act like crazy nut jobs. Got it!
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
    Glad to see that the bitter right wing bullshit was again shown to be just that.

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    What now Donald Trump? What views for our country do you have now that you don't have the "birther view"?
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
    showme saidSome of you guys are completely nuts.

    What he originally released is what EVERYONE who is born in Hawai'i has. They don't release the long form Certificate of Live Birth.

    The state did agree earlier to let several journalists look at the long form certificate in its files, which was reported at the time, but that satisfied no one.

    It took special negotiations between the President's personal lawyer and the state of Hawai'i to get them to release a copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The President released it as soon as he got it.

    Amazing.


    Yeah, it is amazing that it took three years for him to get this done. And NO No no I'm not a birther.

    I have had to produce mine for the various states in which I'm licensed and it takes me 2 or 3 days at most. If I'm in Columbus I just stop by the Board of Health and pick up a certified copy. That takes less than 30 minutes.
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:10 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThis will undoubtedly not satisfy the crazy birther people. That being said, had Obama done this years ago there would have not been near the mystery and bruhaha surrounding it. The fact that he waited until now was part of the problem.


    The right wing crazies made it a problem.... there wasn't one prior.
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    showme said
    It took special negotiations between the President's personal lawyer and the state of Hawai'i to get them to release a copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The President released it as soon as he got it



    Look, let me preface this by stating unequivocally that I am NOT a birther. I could actually care less where Obama was born. He's the President, so it's kind of a moot point now. That being said, what I find laughable is some of the excuses some of you come up with for why Obama didn't just do this seemingly simple task -- releasing the long form birth certificate -- years ago and put the mystery surrounding it behind him. The fact that he didn't (or wouldn't) do that resulted in the mushrooming cloud of mystery. That someone could say "It took special negotiations between the President's personal lawyer and the state of Hawaii to get them to release a copy of the certificate of Live Birth" is just crazy silly. He's the President of the United States for God's sake. I would think a simple phone call to the right people in the Hawaii Department of Health would have produced a copy of this document...that "special negotiations" were certainly not necessary between Obama's lawyer and the "State of Hawaii"...and even if that were true, it certainly didn't need to take two and half years.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidThis will undoubtedly not satisfy the crazy birther people. That being said, had Obama done this years ago there would have not been near the mystery and bruhaha surrounding it. The fact that he waited until now was part of the problem.


    The right wing crazies made it a problem.... there wasn't one prior.


    DUDE, if memory serves me correctly, it was "right wing' Hillary who made an issue.
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    showme said
    It took special negotiations between the President's personal lawyer and the state of Hawai'i to get them to release a copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The President released it as soon as he got it



    Look, let me preface this by stating unequivocally that I am NOT a birther. I could actually care less where Obama was born. He's the President, so it's kind of a moot point now. That being said, what I find laughable is some of the excuses some of you come up with for why Obama didn't just do this seemingly simple task -- releasing the long form birth certificate -- years ago and put the mystery surrounding it behind him. The fact that he didn't (or wouldn't) do that resulted in the mushrooming cloud of mystery. That someone could say "It took special negotiations between the President's personal lawyer and the state of Hawaii to get them to release a copy of the certificate of Live Birth" is just crazy silly. He's the President of the United States for God's sake. I would think a simple phone call to the right people in the Hawaii Department of Health would have produced a copy of this document...that "special negotiations" were certainly not necessary between Obama's lawyer and the "State of Hawaii"...and even if that were true, it certainly didn't need to take two and half years.


    Funny how everyone is distancing themselves from the "birther" crowd today. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
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    I have had to produce mine for the various states in which I'm licensed and it takes me 2 or 3 days at most. If I'm in Columbus I just stop by the Board of Health and pick up a certified copy. That takes less than 30 minutes.


    HE RELEASED THIS OFFICIAL HAWAI'I BIRTH CERTIFICATE YEARS AGO. THIS ONE IS ONLY KEPT IN THEIR FILES.

    YES, I KNOW I'M SHOUTING.
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    Apr 27, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    OneGeezer said
    DUDE, if memory serves me correctly, it was "right wing' Hillary who made an issue.



    THANK YOU!!! Though didn't you mean "Left wing Hillary"? It is truly astounding to me the selective memory the libs exhibit whenever the real truth is inconvenient. icon_rolleyes.gif