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  • InsatiableBlo...

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    Apr 28, 2011 2:34 AM GMT
    Where to begin?

    I'm a second semester junior in college and I had an overall 3.1 GPA until this year when chemistry and statistics came along and kicked my ass. Im not sure if my motivation is down all of a sudden or what, but this is second time Ive taken these two classes and Im on my way to failing both of them. Again.

    I've never been particularly good at math, and here recently I've been wondering if something is physiologically wrong with me. I keep asking myself questions like: Do I have ADD? Low thyroid? Low testosterone? Hypochondriac?

    Or maybe I just feel this way because I need something to be wrong with me so I can I have an excuse for being retarded at math.

    Seriously though Im getting tested for low testosterone, because I read low test. can lead to muddled thoughts.

    Anyway, I took college algebra 2 years ago and passed with a B, but chem and stats kill me. I sit down, and force myself to study, but my mind just keeps wondering off elsewhere. Even in class I can't seem to follow along as easily as everyone else.
    This led me to believe I have ADD, despite having great focus at other times. I went to the psychiatrist and he prescribed me crack, I mean Adderall (10mg). The thing is, it seemed to increase my focus AND diminish my anxiety, but later on I would crash physically and emotionally. I could be having a great morning, and then a miserable afternoon. It made me feel very bi polar. And in addition, I never really absorbed the material I focused so hard on, so I stopped taking it.

    And in the end, Im still struggling in chemistry/statistics, and even if I passed those courses I still have to take chem II and physics I, and II.

    This has led me to the conclusion that maybe its time to move away from University and try and get some sort of Associate's degree.
    I was thinking of becoming a physical therapist assistant, since it's similar to my major currently (exercise science), and a lot of my credits would transfer.
    But Im scared that what if I can't finish an associates degree either? What if I fail at that too? Then what? Am I just destined to become an automaton at Wal-mart?

    I'm not going to lie, I've been down in the dumps about all this lately, and I really need some advice. I've talked to a psychologist, but Im not sure how much good that has done. I read the forums on RJ on a semi-regular basis and I know some of you guys are very intelligent and give sound, yet (sometimes) harsh advice, maybe I need that.




    *I proofread this once, and I apologize in advance for any possible spelling/grammar issues.
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    Apr 28, 2011 2:40 AM GMT
    InsatiableBloom saidBut Im scared that what if I can't finish an associates degree either? What if I fail at that too? Then what? Am I just destined to become an automaton at Wal-mart?
    I dropped college because I don't need it.
    Now I fly planes for a living.

    My boss (owner of several corporations) never set foot in a college, except for business negotiations.
    He's a fucking multi-millionaire.
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    Apr 28, 2011 2:44 AM GMT
    ADD? Low thyroid? Low testosterone? Hypochondriac?

    Those are just excuses. Either you're not trying, or science isn't your thing. Time to change majors.
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    Apr 28, 2011 2:47 AM GMT
    First off, finally a coherent text without incohesive information. I like the brevity of this post. Precise.

    Have you thought about a tutor in these areas? You're still young and maybe it's just not your strong point. I graduated my undergrad with 196 credits. It took me that long to find out what I really, really liked and what I was good at.

    I wouldn't give up. Possibly you could go for an associates and then the bachelors later.

    Just a thought.
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    Apr 28, 2011 2:48 AM GMT
    xrichx saidADD? Low thyroid? Low testosterone? Hypochondriac?

    Those are just excuses. Either you're not trying, or science isn't your thing. Time to change majors.


    ^This. If you are trying your best, using available resources, and still struggling mightily now, imagine what the upper-level courses would be like. There are ways to be in your chosen field without being one particular thing (for example, one can be an EMT or paramedic and still have a huge impact on people's lives medically without being a surgeon). I suggest that you look into those other options.
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    Apr 28, 2011 2:49 AM GMT
    Change majors or reconsider your life path. College provides an easy road to a decently comfy, predictable life, but there are a lot of other talents you can use to make ends meet, if you have some.
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    Apr 28, 2011 2:50 AM GMT
    Can you change majors so these two classes are not required? If you aren't good at something head in another direction. Some whose aptitude is for math, chem and statistics, couldn't accomplish a practical everyday task to save their lives, that doesn't make them crazy, and neither does the reverse in your case.

    Switch things around to what your good at then don't look back, there's nothing wrong with you. Its just that your talents are heading you in another direction.
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    Apr 28, 2011 2:53 AM GMT
    Maybe you just need to invest more time into studying. The technical courses are harder to get through than lets say... marketing classes where you can just memorize some terms and BS your way through the course. Whereas the technical stuff, once you fall behind, you are going to stay BEHIND.
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    Apr 28, 2011 2:55 AM GMT
    You need a friend to work with. If you're trying to work on a subject that you A. hate and B. are awful at, of course your mind will try to think about anything else in the world.

    Have someone who can help you with the material and help you stay on task.
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    Apr 28, 2011 2:57 AM GMT
    If you are struggling that much with it you need to ask yourself "Self - why?" and answer honestly - are you really going to point at the zebra like low test or hypothyroid, or are you going to finally figure out you don't like what you are studying and don't feel motivated and don't feel a burning desire to figure out alkyls?

    The sooner you can admit you aren't that interested in it, you can figure out what does motivate you and what sort of book you are looking for as a burning desire at midnight to read more about it. Then you should major in that and keep pursuing it until you have a terminal degree in it.

    When you actually figure out what YOU want to be doing, not what daddy told you to study when he wrote your tuition checks, it becomes the old adage that it's no longer work since you love what you are doing. And then your career will go the same way, it's not work, it's something you love.

    Life is a lot easier if you enjoy how you spend your days. Get away from Chemistry and Statistics if they are getting you down that much - you are not going to be Dr. House if you are having this much trouble at this stage, so quit depressing yourself each time an exam in Chemistry comes up.

    You can still salvage your GPA. Stay at university, do not drop out. Go through the course catalog for next term and just pick things randomly and haphazardly that sound fun to you. Seriously. You need elective hours anyway - even if you blow the entire semester taking a pottery class, if that is what you want, treat yourself to something that will improve your self esteem.

    You are not a failure or a disappointment because you aren't the master of Chemistry. You will be a failure or a disappointment if you drop out, that is just admitting defeat. Do not do it.
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    Apr 28, 2011 2:58 AM GMT
    lol you have the same GPA as me. Well if you need help in stats, then you should probably try to find a tutor on campus or find free tutoring to help you out on that. I never been good at math since in high school I only went up to algebra 2 before and stopped since I didnt think I was going to go to college. I find things to be easier if you ask your professor for help or go to tutoring if you cant figure a problem out. Take notes in class and copy the example, then when you get home try to redo it and see if you can get the same answer. Also, maybe look at the answer first in the back of the book and see how the answer was derived at. ( I'm currently taking pre cal) I havent took physics yet, but I know its really hard from my friends that took the course. Chemistry I, hmmm, I thought it was pretty easy, but if you find it challenging try to make flash cards or read the book in small batches and dont cram everything in the last second. Thats all the advice I can give you to help study!
    I say stick to getting your BA in whatever you are majoring in, it is worth it in the end. If you keep failing the classes, then I suggest going to a community college to take those courses their so you dont have to pay the high tuition fee if you are not done with your GE's. Associate degree is nothing even though it is easier to get. Its worth shit, unless your getting your associate in nursing, but even with a nursing associate degree your salary is only at 30k maximum.
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    Apr 28, 2011 3:08 AM GMT
    College counselors are not always very useful, I know, but have you talked to one? Or maybe a prof in your major field?
    College is very stressful, more so than when I was there, and it could be rough then. I would not advise you to leave or to try for an associate degree. Stick with college, but mayby try to change your major or drop the courses that are giving you problems.
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    Apr 28, 2011 3:12 AM GMT
    Do you have a major advisor or a career counselor to help you? Maybe take a career aptitude test to see where your strengths lie and talk to a counselor about careers and the education you need to get there.
    If you're struggling now, there's no way you'll keep up the more advanced classes that you say you still need to take. More advanced chem and physics classes will require math, so maybe it's just not a good path for you.

    If you're really at a loss, find out what classes the football and basketball players take and take those classes too. Lord knows we need some more Communications and Sociology majors. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 28, 2011 3:13 AM GMT
    Follow-up:
    I realized that my response may seem harsh. But that was my situation in college. I was an Electrical Engineering major, but realized that I didn't want to take 5 different types of calculus. I mean, I didn't even know there were different types of calculus. And I'm not a theory/abstract type of guy. I'm more hands on. So I didn't want to spend my weekends graphing equations and doing all that bullshit.

    Thankfully, I made this realization soon. I didn't waste any time taking any other EE classes. I got all my general ed courses out of the way. And by my 3rd year, the internet was really starting to gain momentum. And I switched majors to information systems. Learned programming. Learned networking. And everything in between. It was a great decision.

    Point is, change majors to something related to your current field of study. It should be a major that you still feel passionate about, but at the same time it shouldn't burden you.

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    Apr 28, 2011 3:26 AM GMT
    InsatiableBloom saidWhere to begin?

    I'm a second semester junior in college and I had an overall 3.1 GPA until this year when chemistry and statistics came along and kicked my ass. Im not sure if my motivation is down all of a sudden or what, but this is second time Ive taken these two classes and Im on my way to failing both of them. Again.

    I've never been particularly good at math, and here recently I've been wondering if something is physiologically wrong with me. I keep asking myself questions like: Do I have ADD? Low thyroid? Low testosterone? Hypochondriac?

    Or maybe I just feel this way because I need something to be wrong with me so I can I have an excuse for being retarded at math.

    Seriously though Im getting tested for low testosterone, because I read low test. can lead to muddled thoughts.

    Anyway, I took college algebra 2 years ago and passed with a B, but chem and stats kill me. I sit down, and force myself to study, but my mind just keeps wondering off elsewhere. Even in class I can't seem to follow along as easily as everyone else.
    This led me to believe I have ADD, despite having great focus at other times. I went to the psychiatrist and he prescribed me crack, I mean Adderall (10mg). The thing is, it seemed to increase my focus AND diminish my anxiety, but later on I would crash physically and emotionally. I could be having a great morning, and then a miserable afternoon. It made me feel very bi polar. And in addition, I never really absorbed the material I focused so hard on, so I stopped taking it.

    And in the end, Im still struggling in chemistry/statistics, and even if I passed those courses I still have to take chem II and physics I, and II.

    This has led me to the conclusion that maybe its time to move away from University and try and get some sort of Associate's degree.
    I was thinking of becoming a physical therapist assistant, since it's similar to my major currently (exercise science), and a lot of my credits would transfer.
    But Im scared that what if I can't finish an associates degree either? What if I fail at that too? Then what? Am I just destined to become an automaton at Wal-mart?

    I'm not going to lie, I've been down in the dumps about all this lately, and I really need some advice. I've talked to a psychologist, but Im not sure how much good that has done. I read the forums on RJ on a semi-regular basis and I know some of you guys are very intelligent and give sound, yet (sometimes) harsh advice, maybe I need that.




    *I proofread this once, and I apologize in advance for any possible spelling/grammar issues.


    Listen, i think it's an excuse ...Those classes are extremely hard trust me I took all of them ,and some I had to retake....but everyone can do it if you study. You are not lost ,you're going through a slump everyone of us in college has one...what matters is how you pick your self back up.
  • InsatiableBlo...

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    Apr 28, 2011 3:46 AM GMT
    Wow, I am overwhelmed with the fantastic responses.

    Thank-you to each and every one of you who have replied with your thoughts and advice. I am taking each post into consideration.

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    Apr 28, 2011 3:56 AM GMT
    oh hunni, please...

    Don't give up now. You're more than half way through with ur bachelor's degree.

    I, too had problems with math in college. I was a business major and was required to take college algebra, business statistics, methods of calculus, and a bunch of accounting and finance classes. I absolutely HATED math classes.

    I dropped college algebra, took it again at a community college during the summer. I failed stats, and dropped calc, only to take it again.

    Dude, I had many friends in college in the same boat as me, I know some kids that have taken college algebra like (and im not kidding) 4 or 5 times.

    it could very well be the shitty teachers ur school is providing u and not actually u. I remember, there was this accounting class I had to take and found it to be sooo fucking difficult, it frustrated the shit out of me.
    BAM, end of semster comes around and I got a D, which is not considered passing, I needed a C.

    So, I take the class again, at a local community college and pass that shit with like an A+ I though to myself :how the fuck do i not pass it the first time and somehow, as if magically pass it with flying colors the 2nd time?"

    It was my teacher, I had a bunch of shitty teachers that were not able to teach the subject, so dude long story short, dont give up, dont settle for an associates. You're at the end of ur junior year, take the fucking math classes again (this summer) and finish ur senior year and graduate icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 28, 2011 4:04 AM GMT
    Wait, did you go to a Psychiatrist before a tutor?

    I almost failed math and science classes lots of times but used the resources of the university (e.g., office hours, tutors, libraries, etc.) and wound up just fine...
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    Apr 28, 2011 4:06 AM GMT
    dude, u neeeeeed to get a tutor, yes.

    a tutor that will tickle ur asshole and give u blowjobs everytime u answer a question correctly may be ideal
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Apr 28, 2011 4:11 AM GMT
    Candidly, I think if you feel that you are struggling that much in the stats and sciences and still have many more courses to go, maybe you should consider changing majors? I don't mean that in a facetious or demeaning way either. In college, my biggest problem with physics and inorganic chemistry was that it made sense in my head, but I just could get it to make sense on paper for everyone else. Have you tried a tutor or something along those lines? I know this sounds stupid, but do you have more difficulty in lab applications or lecture/book component of the classes?

    Is there another field that would interest you? If you would like to just get an Associate's degree instead, I think that would be ok too. You are not a loser. There is no shame in changing majors to something you like and are better at doing.
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    Apr 28, 2011 4:15 AM GMT
    Paulflexes wrote: "I dropped college because I don't need it.
    Now I fly planes for a living."

    "My boss (owner of several corporations) never set foot in a college, except for business negotiations.
    He's a fucking multi-millionaire."

    While we all know people like this, it is a bit like saying that I don't wear my seat belt because I heard someone got killed while wearing one. Yes there are exceptions, but I do believe that the advise about finding a tutor or reevaluating your options is maybe a bit more constructive for the situation. Finally, I would like to add that going to college is not just about finding a job, it should also be about improving your life.
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    Apr 28, 2011 4:18 AM GMT
    I'm a political science major and I currently have a 99.2% in my Stats class. I know everyone's different, but I feel as though Stats is about as close to Math as Chemistry is. I feel like it took different thinking.
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    Apr 28, 2011 4:24 AM GMT
    You're not the only one in this position. I'm in my 8th year of college, changed majors 7 times and won't graduate until next March. I'm bombing two of my classes right now, but not for lack of trying. I'm a terrible test taker, no matter how hard I study. I can walk up to the board and do whatever the professor asks but when it comes to a test I'm screwed! Breathe, and find a tutor. It might just be a phase you're going through.
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    Apr 28, 2011 4:29 AM GMT
    Hey, first of all give yourself a break.

    Some of us are over achievers and grades are everything. THEY ARE NOT!

    As for the drugs, you might need something other than Adderall. I think there is a Lexapro XL or Celexa XL that is an extra slow release. I personally think SSRI's are absurd unless you truly need them and have gone through a considerable amount of treatment. Psychiatrists are only medication managers, they do not do therapy any longer.

    There is no real reason for you to quit school at this point unless it is something you feel strongly about. It also might be that you are in your general area, but not the right aspect of that field.

    I am a training to be a historian. A PhD students go through the same thoughts. You are not alone! Self doubt is natural and especially at your age...questioning life and your goals is part of growing up.

    You might feel stuck, but trust me bud, you are learning!

  • trl_

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    Apr 28, 2011 4:32 AM GMT
    you don't have to have a degree to be successful, just find what works for you.