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    Apr 28, 2011 6:42 PM GMT
    I like pretty much the entire prospective Republican field for 2012 with the exception of Palin, Bachmann and Trump, but I think there is one standout a bit more than the others. And that is Mitch Daniels

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    Apr 28, 2011 6:46 PM GMT
    The Mitch Daniels who oversaw the OMB for George Bush when they cut taxes and put us into two wars, thereby doubling the deficit by the end of his term? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 28, 2011 6:49 PM GMT
    The Mitch Daniels who makes John Kerry and Al Gore seem exciting and charismatic by comparison?
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    Apr 28, 2011 7:05 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidThe Mitch Daniels who oversaw the OMB for George Bush when they cut taxes and put us into two wars, thereby doubling the deficit by the end of his term? icon_rolleyes.gif


    And so we did have a democrat controlled congress beginning in 2006 or didn't we. And the deficit in the first two years of a democrat president congress and senate? And that 3rd war that's just getting going?
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    Apr 28, 2011 7:06 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThe Mitch Daniels who makes John Kerry and Al Gore seem exciting and charismatic by comparison?


    And I take it you voted for Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004 so you must be happy.
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    Apr 28, 2011 7:10 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThe Mitch Daniels who makes John Kerry and Al Gore seem exciting and charismatic by comparison?



    I agree that Mitch Daniels doesn't have the charisma (or the name recognition) necessary to unseat Obama.
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    Apr 28, 2011 7:11 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidThe Mitch Daniels who oversaw the OMB for George Bush when they cut taxes and put us into two wars, thereby doubling the deficit by the end of his term? icon_rolleyes.gif


    And so we did have a democrat controlled congress beginning in 2006 or didn't we. And the deficit in the first two years of a democrat president congress and senate? And that 3rd war that's just getting going?


    Daniels - whom you clearly know nothing about - was OMB director for the first three years of the Bush administration when there was a Republican controlled Congress and the decisions were made to extend tax cuts AND invade two countries. That took us from having a surplus to have a deficit and doubled the debt. A responsible person would have said, we can't do both.
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    Apr 28, 2011 7:16 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    Daniels - whom you clearly know nothing about - was OMB director for the first three years of the Bush administration when there was a Republican controlled Congress and the decisions were made to extend tax cuts AND invade two countries. That took us from having a surplus to have a deficit and doubled the debt. A responsible person would have said, we can't do both.


    Maybe Daniel's did say that, Christian, but it's not like it was his decision to make. Those were decisions voted on, and passed, by Congress and signed off on by the President. Also, be careful when you start throwing accusations around when it comes to "doubling the debt", since those words could come back to bite you when holding the current administration accountable for debt incurred that was voted on, and passed, by a Democratic congress and President between 2008 and 2010.
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    Apr 28, 2011 7:17 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    OneGeezer said
    Christian73 saidThe Mitch Daniels who oversaw the OMB for George Bush when they cut taxes and put us into two wars, thereby doubling the deficit by the end of his term? icon_rolleyes.gif


    And so we did have a democrat controlled congress beginning in 2006 or didn't we. And the deficit in the first two years of a democrat president congress and senate? And that 3rd war that's just getting going?


    Daniels - whom you clearly know nothing about

    And you make this determination how? Oh I see – we disagree so it’s gotta be that I’ve completely lost my mind

    - was OMB director for the first three years of the Bush administration when there was a Republican controlled Congress and the decisions were made to extend tax cuts AND invade two countries. That took us from having a surplus to have a deficit and doubled the debt. A responsible person would have said, we can't do both.


    And it’s the executive branch that make appropriations or the legislative branch? And the deficit was how much in py 2006, the last year of Republican control of congress?. And the deficit was what percent of GPD? And the long term average is?
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    Apr 28, 2011 7:19 PM GMT
    OneGeezer said
    Christian73 saidThe Mitch Daniels who oversaw the OMB for George Bush when they cut taxes and put us into two wars, thereby doubling the deficit by the end of his term? icon_rolleyes.gif


    And so we did have a democrat controlled congress beginning in 2006 or didn't we. And the deficit in the first two years of a democrat president congress and senate? And that 3rd war that's just getting going?


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    I sure agree with you Christian about Daniels, and isn't it interesting how repubs love to 'attempt' placing blame on the Dem congress of 06' with the utter impossibility of turning around the first 6 years of Bush and repubs heading us in the wrong direction. Talk about revisionist history coming from Repubs !!! and then the repubs try to hinge the whole deficit problem on Obama. This is quite laughable at the least. As for this current "war", no war has been declared and no lies were told, nor bribes paid to other country's as was done to scrape up Bush's "coalition".
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    Apr 29, 2011 4:56 AM GMT
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    OneGeezer said
    Christian73 saidThe Mitch Daniels who oversaw the OMB for George Bush when they cut taxes and put us into two wars, thereby doubling the deficit by the end of his term? icon_rolleyes.gif


    And so we did have a democrat controlled congress beginning in 2006 or didn't we. And the deficit in the first two years of a democrat president congress and senate? And that 3rd war that's just getting going?


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    I sure agree with you Christian about Daniels, and isn't it interesting how repubs love to 'attempt' placing blame on the Dem congress of 06' with the utter impossibility of turning around the first 6 years of Bush and repubs heading us in the wrong direction. Talk about revisionist history coming from Repubs !!! and then the repubs try to hinge the whole deficit problem on Obama. This is quite laughable at the least. As for this current "war", no war has been declared and no lies were told, nor bribes paid to other country's as was done to scrape up Bush's "coalition".


    Bush years = longest uninterrupted job growth of 52 months and longest GDP growth of 26 quarters. Great job president Bush and President Clinton's was almost as long. Great job to both of them.
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    Apr 29, 2011 5:09 AM GMT
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    realifedad said
    OneGeezer said
    Christian73 saidThe Mitch Daniels who oversaw the OMB for George Bush when they cut taxes and put us into two wars, thereby doubling the deficit by the end of his term? icon_rolleyes.gif


    And so we did have a democrat controlled congress beginning in 2006 or didn't we. And the deficit in the first two years of a democrat president congress and senate? And that 3rd war that's just getting going?


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    I sure agree with you Christian about Daniels, and isn't it interesting how repubs love to 'attempt' placing blame on the Dem congress of 06' with the utter impossibility of turning around the first 6 years of Bush and repubs heading us in the wrong direction. Talk about revisionist history coming from Repubs !!! and then the repubs try to hinge the whole deficit problem on Obama. This is quite laughable at the least. As for this current "war", no war has been declared and no lies were told, nor bribes paid to other country's as was done to scrape up Bush's "coalition".


    Bush years = longest uninterrupted job growth of 52 months and longest GDP growth of 26 quarters. Great job president Bush and President Clinton's was almost as long. Great job to both of them.





    LMFAO!
    Let's compare the Clinton and the Bush records on job creation.

    Clinton - 23 million jobs created in 8 years.
    Bush - 3 million jobs created in 8 years.

    It's not even close.
    In fact, Bush has the "worst track record on record" for job creation.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
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    Apr 29, 2011 5:10 AM GMT
    I think Jack Daniels would do a better job.
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    Apr 29, 2011 5:11 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI think Jack Daniels would do a better job.




    LOL!
    And be a HELL of a lot more fun.
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    Apr 29, 2011 5:35 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    OneGeezer said
    realifedad said
    OneGeezer said
    Christian73 saidThe Mitch Daniels who oversaw the OMB for George Bush when they cut taxes and put us into two wars, thereby doubling the deficit by the end of his term? icon_rolleyes.gif


    And so we did have a democrat controlled congress beginning in 2006 or didn't we. And the deficit in the first two years of a democrat president congress and senate? And that 3rd war that's just getting going?


    ____________________________________________


    I sure agree with you Christian about Daniels, and isn't it interesting how repubs love to 'attempt' placing blame on the Dem congress of 06' with the utter impossibility of turning around the first 6 years of Bush and repubs heading us in the wrong direction. Talk about revisionist history coming from Repubs !!! and then the repubs try to hinge the whole deficit problem on Obama. This is quite laughable at the least. As for this current "war", no war has been declared and no lies were told, nor bribes paid to other country's as was done to scrape up Bush's "coalition".


    Bush years = longest uninterrupted job growth of 52 months and longest GDP growth of 26 quarters. Great job president Bush and President Clinton's was almost as long. Great job to both of them.





    LMFAO!
    Let's compare the Clinton and the Bush records on job creation.

    Clinton - 23 million jobs created in 8 years.
    Bush - 3 million jobs created in 8 years.

    It's not even close.
    In fact, Bush has the "worst track record on record" for job creation.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/


    Oh Rick, stop quoting those crazed socialist at the Wall Street Journal... icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 29, 2011 6:01 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidI think Jack Daniels would do a better job.


    Jack Daniels doesn't have a certificate of life birth; therefore, he must be a terrorist.
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    Apr 29, 2011 6:12 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 said
    Daniels - whom you clearly know nothing about - was OMB director for the first three years of the Bush administration when there was a Republican controlled Congress and the decisions were made to extend tax cuts AND invade two countries. That took us from having a surplus to have a deficit and doubled the debt. A responsible person would have said, we can't do both.


    Maybe Daniel's did say that, Christian, but it's not like it was his decision to make. Those were decisions voted on, and passed, by Congress and signed off on by the President. Also, be careful when you start throwing accusations around when it comes to "doubling the debt", since those words could come back to bite you when holding the current administration accountable for debt incurred that was voted on, and passed, by a Democratic congress and President between 2008 and 2010.


    Basically this is an extreme partisan view. It boils down 1000's of hours of debate, votes from the legislative branch and puts it in the lap of Daniels.
    It assumes Daniels was the person to say " STOP" you cannot do this.
    For some reason Christian73 doesn't put the same burden on the President , his OMB, didn't even get a budget passed. This has cost the US government many billions in interest and a weaker dollar.

    As time goes on, guaranteed, the weaker dollar's ramifications on the deficit will dwarf any so called "Bush tax cut" which Obama saw fit to continue in December. The nations credit score is significantly lower needlessly because the politically weak Democratic caucus , they could not even pass a budget. ( which is there responsibility)
    There actions have made it very likely the US economy will never outgrow its deficit.

    No one but Obama or a liberal is acceptable for Christian73. So you can just template his response.

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    Apr 29, 2011 12:54 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 said
    Daniels - whom you clearly know nothing about - was OMB director for the first three years of the Bush administration when there was a Republican controlled Congress and the decisions were made to extend tax cuts AND invade two countries. That took us from having a surplus to have a deficit and doubled the debt. A responsible person would have said, we can't do both.


    Maybe Daniel's did say that, Christian, but it's not like it was his decision to make. Those were decisions voted on, and passed, by Congress and signed off on by the President. Also, be careful when you start throwing accusations around when it comes to "doubling the debt", since those words could come back to bite you when holding the current administration accountable for debt incurred that was voted on, and passed, by a Democratic congress and President between 2008 and 2010.


    Basically this is an extreme partisan view. It boils down 1000's of hours of debate, votes from the legislative branch and puts it in the lap of Daniels.
    It assumes Daniels was the person to say " STOP" you cannot do this.
    For some reason Christian73 doesn't put the same burden on the President , his OMB, didn't even get a budget passed. This has cost the US government many billions in interest and a weaker dollar.

    As time goes on, guaranteed, the weaker dollar's ramifications on the deficit will dwarf any so called "Bush tax cut" which Obama saw fit to continue in December. The nations credit score is significantly lower needlessly because the politically weak Democratic caucus , they could not even pass a budget. ( which is there responsibility)
    There actions have made it very likely the US economy will never outgrow its deficit.

    No one but Obama or a liberal is acceptable for Christian73. So you can just template his response.



    There is nothing the event remotely approaches the truth or a learned view of economics in your post.

    Is Daniels solely responsible for the disastrous Bush budgeting? No.

    Has Daniels repudiated the idea that you can cut taxes while you have a big deficit? NO.

    In fact, he has doubled-down on the discredited unproven "supply side" economics as governor.