Synchronicities

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    Apr 30, 2011 3:38 AM GMT
    Does anybody experience the same coincidences? Ive had it for the longest time that if something happens in a day that stays on my mind, usually all day long things will happen or show up by accident that seem to be related to that event..

    for instance, I have a discussion with an islamic coworker about the religion that stays on my mind.. suddenly the same day I will meet like umpteen women in the street who wear veils... many more than usual

    or if I decide to consider going on vacation and I have a destination in mind... that same day I will meet an unusal amount of people that lived there or people will start mentioning that country or place randomly in conversations without me saying that its on my mind

    its rather like everything around is constantly reflecting back to you what you are most preoccupied with... even if its subconsciously and are not really paying attention to it

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  • TheAlchemixt

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    Apr 30, 2011 5:16 AM GMT
    I think that when people start talking about something then they start paying more attention to it. Like for example I don't usually pay attention to cars and when someone starts talking to me about how everyone is driving a Corolla or Civic around where I am at, that is when I start noticing that there is hella Corolla and Civics. I don't think I would have noticed otherwise.
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    Apr 30, 2011 5:45 AM GMT
    Yesterday, I spend almost whole day daydreaming about Istanbul and how I want to visit it this summer. At night, I went to this club and there was (Chinese) guy wearing a T-shirt on which was written Istanbul, Turkey.
  • Delivis

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    May 03, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
    This is a very interesting and well understood phenomenon, however it is not a spiritual or psychic one, it is a psychological one.

    Look up Confirmation Bias.
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    May 03, 2011 2:52 PM GMT
    I have them often, esp with people who are close to me. I only recently learned that this is a documented phenom.
  • TonyD

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    May 03, 2011 3:44 PM GMT
    Sometimes, if I pay attention, synchronicity allows me to relax

    It allows me to have a relationship with my surroundings, a connectedness I didn't have previously...for example, I may be list in my head on some task, worrying etc and then a synchronistic event happens and it calms me. I don't feel so alone.
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    May 03, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    Another example: I meet a friend's newborn son, who named him Lucas, and is bilingual... (the parents speak several languages)..

    I tell my friend about my nephew, whose name is also Lucas (he is also bilingual.. )

    the same night I go to get a Pizaa, and while standing in line, I hear two kids speaking (bilingually to each other).. I dont know who they are.. but minutes later the father comes out and screams "Lucas!" to one of them....

    I dont usually meet or talk about a bilingual kid named Lucas, but this day there were three as subject of my day.... thats what I mean by "synchronicity"
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    May 03, 2011 9:11 PM GMT
    Synchronicity? - I have not heard of this word before, but by reading the posts here, I think I'm getting the gist.
    It does happen with me from time to time.
    But the one occasion which stood out above the others was when I fell into a dispute with some Jehovah's Witnesses over a text in the New Testament - that bit where it says ...and the Word was God... or ...and the Word was a god... (John 1:1). So I wanted to learn how to read Greek, the language the New Testament was originally written, to help me settle such disputes. After buying the appropriate books and beginning to study, one day I was walking through the town's market place and a complete stranger called out to his companion who was standing a few paces away:
    I need to buy this book because I'm reading Greek!
    What I found so unusual about that incident was that I had never heard anyone say that within earshot before...and I have never heard anyone come out with such a statement since.
    Odd isn't it?
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    May 03, 2011 9:13 PM GMT
    I had a dream last night that I needed to find 2 9volt batteries for something.. in a feild. And this morning, 2 9 volts were on my downstairs neighbors balcony ledge.

    weeeeiiiird.

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    May 03, 2011 9:14 PM GMT
    I think we tend to pay more attention to those things than anything else and thus they tend to stand out. But it still looks like universe is giving us a sign icon_smile.gif
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    May 03, 2011 9:36 PM GMT
    NotThatOld saidSynchronicity? - I have not heard of this word before, but by reading the posts here, I think I'm getting the gist.
    It does happen with me from time to time.
    But the one occasion which stood out above the others was when I fell into a dispute with some Jehovah's Witnesses over a text in the New Testament - that bit where it says ...and the Word was God... or ...and the Word was a god... (John 1:1). So I wanted to learn how to read Greek, the language the New Testament was originally written, to help me settle such disputes. After buying the appropriate books and beginning to study, one day I was walking through the town's market place and a complete stranger called out to his companion who was standing a few paces away:
    I need to buy this book because I'm reading Greek!
    What I found so unusual about that incident was that I had never heard anyone say that within earshot before...and I have never heard anyone come out with such a statement since.
    Odd isn't it?


    Yup, those are the ones I meant, they happen to me all day all the time
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    May 03, 2011 9:45 PM GMT
    asnextdoor saidI think we tend to pay more attention to those things than anything else and thus they tend to stand out. But it still looks like universe is giving us a sign icon_smile.gif


    Hmmm I was once told those things are "signs" ... I very much doubt this too, to me it seems the universe simply works in a regularly fashioned way to bring like things to happen altogether and we ourselves falsely ascribe "supernatural significance" to them

    Say for instance you have a room of random people at a party, what will happen is that like-minded individuals will be seen congregating together due to similar interests or attitude to life.. they are more in tune with each other and find it easier to communicate naturally with each other.... Or you could look at nature, where certain species congregate in certain areas due to natural surroundings


    In the same way, I think what happens with synchronicities is that natural occurences that share a similar nature will all occur around the same time... our events congregate in time, the way we congregate in space... time and space after all, are both functions of the same universe
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    May 04, 2011 4:57 AM GMT
    theantijock said" synchronicity takes the coincidence of events in space and time as meaning something more than mere chance, namely, a peculiar interdependence of objective events among themselves as well as with the subjective (psychic) states of the observer..." ~~ C. G. Jung in his Foreward for the Wilhelm/Baynes translation of The I Ching (Book of Changes)


    This is well stated, it fits with what I said in the OP.. and as by synchronicity, I'm actually into Jung and into the I Ching as well
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    May 04, 2011 5:12 AM GMT
    Yep, I believe in synchronicity.

    While it does have a mysterious spiritual appeal to it like Devilis said a lot of it is psychological (Notice I didn't say all:winkicon_smile.gif
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    May 04, 2011 5:24 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidAs far "out there" as I am with my alternative approach to energy and psychic phenomenon I am inclined to believe that if we are merely talking about matters that we tend to be aware of them more simply because we talk about them.

    Be that as it may, everyone's experience is unique and if I had the time to sit down with folks and have them tell me of their experiences I would come to d a different conclusion every time. I think there could be something to it depending on the person and their own experiences.

    Not sure if this will apply but I find it somewhat similar:

    Lots of times when I meditate I will see a person from my past. I am referring to a clairvoyant image or vision with my eyes closed. I see a lot of imagery when I am meditating. But the peculiarness of this is that within twenty-four hours I will actually see this person in real life. I really do not have a connection to these people in many instances. I do not know why this happens but in a way it is almost like seeing the future. These are people I do not see on a daily basis.

    One of them was of a guy I went to high school with. He and I were not even friends. I was indifferent toward him. But after twenty years I saw him in a vision and the next day he passed me and I was like, "Dang!"

    Another was of a guy I found incredibly sexy and gorgeous at Macy's while I was shopping. About four months go by and I saw him in a meditation and the next day I was waiting for the bus on Michigan Ave and he strolled right passed me the next day in real life!

    One time I saw an image of a woman who went to the same meditation school as I did. The next day I saw her. I have not seen her in about a year or so.

    I could keep going on with other examples but they all pretty much sound the same. icon_smile.gif


    The next time this happens try and remember to stop and speak to the person. Might be interesting
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    May 04, 2011 5:39 AM GMT
    I think its just like karma

    you tend to pay attention to it if its on your mind.
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    May 04, 2011 5:51 AM GMT
    Ehanson saidYep, I believe in synchronicity.

    While it does have a mysterious spiritual appeal to it like Devilis said a lot of it is psychological (Notice I didn't say all:winkicon_smile.gif


    I actually think it is completely psychogical, but not mysterious... Im assuming its a mechanical reflection of the mind and the matter ... people call whatever they cant explain "mysterious", but the fact of the matter is that matter and mind reflecting each other is an explanation on its own... som e may ask "why" but that is tantamount to asking why the universe works the way it does.. it just works that way
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    May 04, 2011 6:04 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    beneful1 said

    The next time this happens try and remember to stop and speak to the person. Might be interesting


    Just curious why you say this?

    I doubt it would do anything but I have to say that I am a bit stunned every time it happens and usually talking is the last thing on my mind at the moment. I am always caught off guard by it.



    I don't believe they happen for no reason. It could be something as simple as some information you'll glean from it that might explain something about your life or someone elses that you're close to, that sort of thing.
    That's why I said "if you remember". Perhaps 90% of the time these occurrances happen you're caught off guard (stunned) because you've disconnected/forgotten about the initial event (in your case when you're meditating) and the subsequent event. It's hard to do.

    There are lots of coincidences that happen randomly to everyone and most are probably just "coincidences" of no significance. Then there are as someone mentioned above coincidences on account what I suppose you could say increased awareness of someone or something. Like when you're thinking about buying a Corvette and the next day you're seeing Corvettes all over the place where before you never paid them any mind. Those are fairly normal and not really synchronistic events. The real synchronisity of events are usually those that come to you when like you say you're meditating or maybe just woke up and not fully awake, when your mind isn't as encumbered being rational.
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    May 04, 2011 6:12 AM GMT
    beneful1 said
    Like when you're thinking about buying a Corvette and the next day you're seeing Corvettes all over the place where before you never paid them any mind. Those are fairly normal and not really synchronistic events.


    yeah, I have to agree with this...
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    May 04, 2011 7:20 AM GMT
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    I don't believe they happen for no reason. It could be something as simple as some information you'll glean from it that might explain something about your life or someone elses that you're close to, that sort of thing.
    That's why I said "if you remember". Perhaps 90% of the time these occurrances happen you're caught off guard (stunned) because you've disconnected/forgotten about the initial event (in your case when you're meditating) and the subsequent event. It's hard to do.

    There are lots of coincidences that happen randomly to everyone and most are probably just "coincidences" of no significance. Then there are as someone mentioned above coincidences on account what I suppose you could say increased awareness of someone or something. Like when you're thinking about buying a Corvette and the next day you're seeing Corvettes all over the place where before you never paid them any mind. Those are fairly normal and not really synchronistic events. The real synchronisity of events are usually those that come to you when like you say you're meditating or maybe just woke up and not fully awake, when your mind isn't as encumbered being rational.


    Oh man, you have NOOOO idea how much that resonated for me Beneful. I have had visions of things that have actually happened years later that could have been warning signs had I been able to know what I was experiencing and be able to heed them instead of just brush them off like some insignificant thought or dream. You have NO idea. Some of these events occurred and then after the fact I realized I saw it as a vision that was identical to everything that I saw in that vision. The visual perspective, the colors, the angle, everything.

    One time I did see a person during my meditation the night before I saw him in real life. I had a crush on him a long time ago. But when I saw him in my vision I remembered what a jerk he was to me as time passed during our time knowing each other. I had grown so much from the time I met him to the time I ran into him this last time.

    I saw him the next day exiting a grocery store. He saw me first and stopped in his tracks and looked very uncomfortable. I noticed him immediately and looked at him and in a dignified yet disconnected manner nodded my head while maintaining eye contact and then I proceeded to enter the store and did not want to chitchat.

    He was so stunned by seeing me that he literally stopped in his tracks and started babbling. I could not make out what he said but he looked and sounded uncomfortable. When I saw him the night before in my vision I remembered the crap about him that I no longer tolerate from anyone. So I walked on by and knew to simply stay away. And the great thing was my indifference over it all and how in control I was. That was great. And I feel like having seen him the night before (in my vision) helped me and my body remember how poorly he treated me. A sense of anger came over my body and it was a reminder to just stay away and move along. I guess that last sentence would only make sense if I tell you that one thing I need to work on is letting go of suboptimal situations where I heavily compromise myself because I try to make the impossible work (at my own expense).

    But seeing a H.S. fellow classmate from twenty years ago and a super gorgeous hunk at Macy's the night before still perplex me. icon_razz.gif




    So you did learn something from the grocery store event even if you didn't think you had right away even if it was just now.

    The other event, well sometimes,most times they get away unless you're practiced at it.

    I've had these and other things off and on since I was in my teens and was fortunate enough to have had someone back then who explained a lot about these things. She was actually a new neighbor on our street, married with kids who were a few years younger than me. Up until one afternoon I didn't even know them when our phone rang and my mom answered it saying it was the new neighbor lady two doors down wanting to talk to me so I took the phone. She asked me if I would like to babysit their kids Saturday night while they went out and I agreed. It was a little odd I guess because I'd never babysat kids before and there were plenty of girls my age on the block including my sisters who all babysat

    Long story short... she was very much into self-awareness and read scores of books on such subjects and religions, meditation etc. I became their regular babysitter and when the came home in the early hours of the morning we'd often sit around the table discussing things. It was her who first told me about synchronicity of events when I was about 15. When I left their house that morning and went home I was getting something to eat in the kitchen when I heard something fall in the diningroom so I went to see what it was.. It was one of my mothers psychology books laying on the floor opened to a page talking about sychronicity. There were many many many interesting stories and events over the next 30ish years. One time only a few years back I was back here on vacation and I went to visit her and we were sitting around the table talking as usual even though we hadn't seen each other in a few years and she piped up and said to me something along the lines of " do you ever wonder why I called you to babysit our kids that night? " . I hadn't really thought about it and she said it was because when they had moved onto our street and she'd seen all the kids playing around etc, me included she said she knew there was something about me. And like she had told me years before that she had always said that a person won't find their teacher, their teacher will find them. Interesting.

    I suppose if I have any great regret about it now it's that I somehow allowed myself to become ensnared in the here and now and forgone the inbetween but then that as well could be for a reason I just don't know.
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    May 04, 2011 1:52 PM GMT
    For those of you who believe there is somehow meaning in these coincidences or the "universe is trying to tell you something", why do you believe that? What evidence do you have for that? Is it just a matter of it feeling good to believe that or do you think you have good reasons to believe that?
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    May 04, 2011 2:10 PM GMT
    There's nothing spooky about it. It's the same as when you get a new car, suddenly you start noticing how many other cars the same as yours are on the road!
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    May 04, 2011 4:29 PM GMT
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    Delivis saidFor those of you who believe there is somehow meaning in these coincidences or the "universe is trying to tell you something", why do you believe that? What evidence do you have for that? Is it just a matter of it feeling good to believe that or do you think you have good reasons to believe that?


    You mean like when you read a book it is "trying to tell you something" or do we simply assign meaning to events? Are feelings not evidence? When my senses tell me that something is too hot to touch without being burned, is that not evidence? Or when someone says things to make me feel badly is it just confirmation bias kicking in that makes me suspect I'm about to get burned?

    Certainly you've a point that there is danger in overly ascribing undo meaning to seemingly random events but perhaps no more so dangerous than falling into the existential nihilism of a life devoid of meaning. Perhaps you know a good way to gather evidence for that.[/quote]

    Evidence from the senses is not at all the same thing as assigning meaning to random events. I suppose I should have been more clean. So let me try and give a specific example. Consider the following three facts.

    1. We think of different people constantly throughout each day.
    2. We often make phone calls to people we know and they often call us
    3. Sometimes we think of someone we know and they call us shortly afterwards

    Now, when this happens some set of people think this is amazing. A lot of people who believe in psychic phenomenon or "the universe is trying to tell me something" kind of thinking will often cite exactly this kind of event as evidence for it.

    Yet when mathematicians and scientists looks at the numbers it always turns out that the number of times that someone calls us shortly after we think of them is what we would expect by chance. Given facts #1 and #2 it is statistically nearly impossible for a #3 event to not happen at least a few times in our lives.

    And yet some people want to crowbar cosmic plans, nudges from gods, and psychic phenomenons into such areas.

    That is why i asked what I did. I am curious to know if some of the people who do this realise that they are doing it because it brings them some kind of good feeling or meaning and purpose rather than doing it because they have evidence for god nudges, psychic powers etc., or do most who do this think that they have good evidence to justify belief in those things.
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    May 04, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
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    Delivis saidFor those of you who believe there is somehow meaning in these coincidences or the "universe is trying to tell you something", why do you believe that? What evidence do you have for that? Is it just a matter of it feeling good to believe that or do you think you have good reasons to believe that?


    Certainly you've a point that there is danger in overly ascribing undo meaning to seemingly random events but perhaps no more so dangerous than falling into the existential nihilism of a life devoid of meaning. Perhaps you know a good way to gather evidence for that.


    I personally dont believe there is "meaning" in the synchronicity of events... just as there is no "meaning" in gravity or magnetism... its just how the universe functions
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    May 04, 2011 7:49 PM GMT
    Delivis saidFor those of you who believe there is somehow meaning in these coincidences or the "universe is trying to tell you something", why do you believe that? What evidence do you have for that? Is it just a matter of it feeling good to believe that or do you think you have good reasons to believe that?


    I only believe it because it is what it is, that being another level of consciousness. I don't see how there can be any supporting evidence because it is intangible which also makes it very easy to discount as foolishness, so be it. That really doesn't affect my belief nor does it give me anything to feel good or bad about. I believe some people are more initially attuned to it for some reason or another but that doesn't mean that it is something for a gifted few. I think everyone has the capability and or has had initial instances but it is our rational mindset and lack of understanding that throw up roadblocks. We're busy being busy

    More definitive of the "phenomena" in my opinion are the events like MMTM and mine describes that initially appear "out of nowhere" and are quite vivid either at the start or the conclusion or both. Things or people for example that you hadn't thought of or remembered about for years although it could be something else. As vivid as they can be initially our brain it seems puts them out of our mind almost just as quickly as they occurr and it's not until the conclusion that we realize what had happened.

    As another example a few years ago I got out of bed one morning to go to work and set about ironing my shirt which I always did every morning (yeah that's how I do it). I'm still in my half asleep stage doing it when I get this thought in my mind out of the blue about the principal of the school where my mother had taught for years. I'm usually in a groggy state and thinkign of nothing but waking up and getting dressed and out the door. I barely knew the woman other than having been intro'd to her by mom maybe once or twice when I was a kid. It was just odd why would she enter my thoughts. I'd forgotten about her decades ago just as I'd forgotten about the vivid recollcection of her that morning by the time I got to work. It was the next day or two when I made my weekly long distance call to mom she said to me.. oh do you remember Mrs. so and so the principal of the school and I replied yes. Mom told me she had died two mornings earlier, the morning she'd popped in my mind.
    Now that could be construed as just a coincidence I suppose but I don't. It was beyond "randomness". It really doesn't have any "meaning" to me other than it was a significant event in my mothers life .
    Events like that don't happen often for me and I always kick myself for not writing them down as they occur