Transgender Community Needs More Support

  • metta

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    May 01, 2011 5:52 PM GMT
    Transgender Community Needs More Support


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    A recently released report, http://www.thetaskforce.org/reports_and_research/ntds
    based on the results of the country's largest transgender discrimination survey describes the toll that federally sanctioned discrimination in housing, employment, healthcare, and education takes on transgender people. Respondents were four to five times more likely to live in extreme poverty than the general population, and twice as likely to be unemployed. A full 26 percent of those surveyed had lost a job because they were transgender; 47 percent reported not being hired in the first place. Forty-one percent had attempted suicide.
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    the legislation that many transgender activists believe would do the most to help transgender people—the Inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would end legalized discrimination against LGB and T people
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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-04-30/white-house-hosts-transgender-activists/#
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    May 03, 2011 7:24 AM GMT
    Judging by the fact that this post thus far has a whopping 11 views (two of which are from me) I would say that they probably should not look to gay men for that support...

    I am surprised by those statistics... I would actually think they are a little low (I would actually think that more lost jobs due to being transgendered than report it... I can also grantee that more than 47% were not hired for the same reason. I hate to say it, but they must be an incredibly optimistic group with those self-reporting numbers.

    It should not happen, but I have no doubt that their being who they are does not weigh on the positive side during any job interview... I am also positive that most gay men are too "busy" with other "things" to worry about somebody facing discrimination for any reason aside from those reasons which directly impact them... White guys don't (generally) care about racism, men don't usually care about sexism, and from the response I don't think that most gay men are going to care about issues faced by somebody who is transgendered.
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    May 03, 2011 8:23 AM GMT
    Some transgendered folk need to stop acting like victims at the same time.

    I made a thread on here probably a year ago looking for a guy with a vagina because I was curious to know what it was like to have sex with a guy who has a vagina. And I genuinely want to try it. Well, some guy with a vagina on RJ perked up and threw a fit, yelling at me saying I don't care about him at all and all I want to do is fuck. And I was like, well yeah. But the point of this is if I want to have sex with you because you're transgendered, don't freak out and go on about how other people don't respect you as a human and civil rights blah blah blah. I support all of that, but I don't want to fucking hear about society not loving your intersex self when all I want to do is try out a mangina.
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    May 03, 2011 8:25 AM GMT
    west77 saidJudging by the fact that this post thus far has a whopping 11 views (two of which are from me) I would say that they probably should not look to gay men for that support...


    To juxtapose my previous post, there isn't much support from many gay men. Gay men view a man with a vagina as gross. And they probably discriminate the way a White man discriminates against a Black man just because he doesn't find him sexually attractive.

    To anyone who thinks a guy with a vagina is wrong ask yourself this: how do you think straight people think about you? Do you think that sticking your penis up some dudes poopshoot is right, where as sticking your penis up something that more closely resembles what your penis is evolutionarily created to go into is wrong?
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    May 03, 2011 8:34 AM GMT
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    west77 saidJudging by the fact that this post thus far has a whopping 11 views (two of which are from me) I would say that they probably should not look to gay men for that support...


    To juxtapose my previous post, there isn't much support from many gay men. Gay men view a man with a vagina as gross. And they probably discriminate the way a White man discriminates against a Black man just because he doesn't find him sexually attractive.

    To anyone who thinks a guy with a vagina is wrong ask yourself this: how do you think straight people think about you? Do you think that sticking your penis up some dudes poopshoot is right, where as sticking your penis up something that more closely resembles what your penis is evolutionarily created to go into is wrong?


    Over my life one has had a number of close friends, with guys who swapped their poll for a hole. Mind you I never wanted to play in it, because I hate the sight of vaginas, they are gross looking dripping mucus membranes.


    But to me the real judges are real women, if they accept them into the sisterhood or not. But yes it does not get much support from gay men, and why should we support every bloody minority course anyways?
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    May 03, 2011 8:57 AM GMT
    True_Blue_Aussie said
    JAKEBENSON said
    west77 saidJudging by the fact that this post thus far has a whopping 11 views (two of which are from me) I would say that they probably should not look to gay men for that support...


    To juxtapose my previous post, there isn't much support from many gay men. Gay men view a man with a vagina as gross. And they probably discriminate the way a White man discriminates against a Black man just because he doesn't find him sexually attractive.

    To anyone who thinks a guy with a vagina is wrong ask yourself this: how do you think straight people think about you? Do you think that sticking your penis up some dudes poopshoot is right, where as sticking your penis up something that more closely resembles what your penis is evolutionarily created to go into is wrong?


    Over my life one has had a number of close friends, with guys who swapped their poll for a hole. Mind you I never wanted to play in it, because I hate the sight of vaginas, they are gross looking dripping mucus membranes.


    But to me the real judders are real women, if they accept them into the sisterhood or not. But yes it does not get much support from gay men, and why should we support every bloody minority course anyways?


    You don't have to go out in the streets and march, but I guess compassion for fellow oppressed human beings is asking too much.
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    May 03, 2011 8:57 AM GMT
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    west77 saidJudging by the fact that this post thus far has a whopping 11 views (two of which are from me) I would say that they probably should not look to gay men for that support...


    To juxtapose my previous post, there isn't much support from many gay men. Gay men view a man with a vagina as gross. And they probably discriminate the way a White man discriminates against a Black man just because he doesn't find him sexually attractive.

    To anyone who thinks a guy with a vagina is wrong ask yourself this: how do you think straight people think about you? Do you think that sticking your penis up some dudes poopshoot is right, where as sticking your penis up something that more closely resembles what your penis is evolutionarily created to go into is wrong?


    I wouldn't have expected a comment like this from you. Well said.
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    May 03, 2011 9:15 AM GMT
    Aiden19 saidYou don't have to go out in the streets and march, but I guess compassion for fellow oppressed human beings is asking too much.


    What do drag queens have to do with being a homo??
    why does a dude liking a dude mean that they automatically need to champion the rights of a man who chooses to dress as a woman? That has nothing to do with sexual orientation! That's just gender confusion.

    I just don't get how gay guys stand passionately for transgender people yet I get told by every gay person that they don't believe "bi" exists. That's really respectful. Hmm. Maybe i don't believe transgender exists!
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    May 03, 2011 9:17 AM GMT
    They are still people nonetheless. And they go through probably the most hate crimes and discrimination. I've also encountered them from aquaintances here in LA to be heavily into drugs and alcohol. They are definitely a hard pressed and are completely misunderstood people.

    I don't know enough of this community and yet. But they obviously need a place where they can find refuge and not feel outcasted in an already hating and outcast world.
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    May 03, 2011 9:21 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidSome transgendered folk need to stop acting like victims at the same time.

    I made a thread on here probably a year ago looking for a guy with a vagina because I was curious to know what it was like to have sex with a guy who has a vagina. And I genuinely want to try it. Well, some guy with a vagina on RJ perked up and threw a fit, yelling at me saying I don't care about him at all and all I want to do is fuck. And I was like, well yeah. But the point of this is if I want to have sex with you because you're transgendered, don't freak out and go on about how other people don't respect you as a human and civil rights blah blah blah. I support all of that, but I don't want to fucking hear about society not loving your intersex self when all I want to do is try out a mangina.



    LULZ at mangina best word I've heard all day, and we had a transgender at my University but she left b/c my school is super anti-gay and was getting death threats and stuff but she was kind of a bitch too and had a very strong opinion about gays like me, and lets just say we didn't get along, but I mean I didn't have anything agains her being transgender she was just a douche
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    May 03, 2011 9:46 AM GMT
    Aiden19 said
    True_Blue_Aussie said
    JAKEBENSON said
    west77 saidJudging by the fact that this post thus far has a whopping 11 views (two of which are from me) I would say that they probably should not look to gay men for that support...


    To juxtapose my previous post, there isn't much support from many gay men. Gay men view a man with a vagina as gross. And they probably discriminate the way a White man discriminates against a Black man just because he doesn't find him sexually attractive.

    To anyone who thinks a guy with a vagina is wrong ask yourself this: how do you think straight people think about you? Do you think that sticking your penis up some dudes poopshoot is right, where as sticking your penis up something that more closely resembles what your penis is evolutionarily created to go into is wrong?


    Over my life one has had a number of close friends, with guys who swapped their poll for a hole. Mind you I never wanted to play in it, because I hate the sight of vaginas, they are gross looking dripping mucus membranes.


    But to me the real judders are real women, if they accept them into the sisterhood or not. But yes it does not get much support from gay men, and why should we support every bloody minority course anyways?


    You don't have to go out in the streets and march, but I guess compassion for fellow oppressed human beings is asking too much.


    For one. I as a white blond male, think black guys are hot. if I lived in America there is a high chance I may of ended up in a LTR with one.

    If I am ever in the company of a trans guy. I would show him the up most respect at that time. But it is not a course I hold close to my heart.
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    May 03, 2011 9:46 AM GMT
    Well, at least now we are getting somewhere... 68 views and a number of responses. Just pointing out that this cause does not generally seem to strike much of a response around here. I am not saying that it should; simply pointing out that there is very little interest in the subject overall.

    I honestly don't expect straight men to march in solidarity with gays at a parade and while there were some whites involved with the civil rights movement, most films and footage I have seen from the time shows very few. I don't really know why I would expect gay men to consider the rights of a transgendered person; I suppose it could be because we are "lumped" into a community by society.

    I'll be honest here: I have a really hard time finding the time to clean my toilets, wash my laundry and repair my vehicles... I am not going to be out marching for anyones rights. Present me with a petition and we'll talk. Post an outrageous video and I am happy to comment. Hell, if there is a specific example of blatant hatred in my city I might turn out... but I just don't really have the time or organization (or, in most cases the will) to be an activist for any cause.

    JAKEBENSON said
    ...And they probably discriminate the way a White man discriminates against a Black man just because he doesn't find him sexually attractive.


    Does this mean that if a Black man does not find me sexually attractive it is discrimination? What if that man is straight- can I still take it as discrimination? I am actually just now thinking of all the cases I can bring before the human right council...icon_razz.gif

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    May 03, 2011 11:43 AM GMT

    skater227, they aren't drag queens. They're transgenders.


    Some are gay, some are straight, and some are Bi.

    Sure they should get support, like any minority that's discriminated against.

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    May 03, 2011 11:48 AM GMT
    You know, being transgendered is not the same as being gay, but as sexual minorities we have more in common than folks might think.

    I normally don't give transgendered issues much thought, but my company recently had an LGBT event where there was a transgender issues workshop. It was really enlightening, and I discovered that someone I know (and like) identifies as transgendered.

    JAKEBENSON, you're generalizing from your one experience, and we KNOW that generalizing is a bad, bad thing. icon_wink.gif
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    May 03, 2011 11:57 AM GMT
    I don't understand transgendered, and that's probably the same as many of us. It's hard to sympathize or empathize with someone who you don't understand and feel brought on their own issues by mutilating themselves into something un-natural :/ But i try.

    I didn't hear the word gay or know what it was until i was in my early teens yet i knew I liked boys when i was incredibly young, i can remember being at least 7. So that kinda screwed up my thinking a bit until I was old enough to understand what Gay was. That's why I don't understand them... once I understood what i was and it was okay to be a boy who liked boys, I didn't 'get' boys who thought they were 'supposed' to be girls.
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    May 03, 2011 12:06 PM GMT
    showme saidYou know, being transgendered is not the same as being gay, but as sexual minorities we have more in common than folks might think.


    Well, some transgenders are gay men who were trapped in a female body.

    Some are straight men trapped in a female body.

    Some are bisexuals who are physically the wrong gender. For example, a bisexual woman who identifies as a male.




    kaoi, they are not mutilating themselves. It's called a sex change. icon_wink.gif




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    May 03, 2011 12:20 PM GMT
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    Aiden19 saidYou don't have to go out in the streets and march, but I guess compassion for fellow oppressed human beings is asking too much.


    What do drag queens have to do with being a homo??
    why does a dude liking a dude mean that they automatically need to champion the rights of a man who chooses to dress as a woman? That has nothing to do with sexual orientation! That's just gender confusion.

    I just don't get how gay guys stand passionately for transgender people yet I get told by every gay person that they don't believe "bi" exists. That's really respectful. Hmm. Maybe i don't believe transgender exists!


    They're not drag queens, you asshat. We're talking about people who are born with one physical gender, when they're wired mentally to be another. I'm friends with several transgendered people. After hearing their stories they have as much choice about their gender as we do with our sexuality.

    Get educated, and get to know some of these people. Their coming out as transgendered is WAY THE FUCK harder than us coming out as gay, not to mention all the hoops they have to jump through to get their highly costly surgeries.

    You should also know that the gay rights movement was really sparked by DRAG QUEENS and TRANSGENDERED fighting back at police raids of gay clubs, namely Stonewall. As far as I'm concerned that makes them a pretty big part of "being a homo", does it not?
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    May 03, 2011 12:25 PM GMT
    It gets even more interesting than that. There are men who become women who are attracted to women and women who become men who are attracted to men... So even a sex change doesn't mean they'll like the opposite sex necessarily.That whole area is so vast and to ambiguous. It is a lot to take in... but we must learn to love our fellow man, no matter how much we cannot understand them.
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    May 03, 2011 1:58 PM GMT
    I said it before, and I'll say it again: Transgendered persons have the hardest time in the LGBT community!

    And while Transgendered isn't the same as Transvestite, I think it's also wrong to limit the scope of your understanding of Transgendered persons to only those who have undergone gender reassignment surgery.

    Within that context, it is possible that dressing in drag is an outlet for people who perhaps are either awaiting gender reassignment surgery, or have not had it either because they can't afford it or they are too apprehensive about the process and the risks involved.

    I mean, consider the tragic case of one of the most infamous transgendered persons in contemporary LGBT history: Brandon Teena. I would consider it disrespectful to refer to him either as "her," or to suggest that he was merely lesbian- but the case is a clear example of how a person could be transgendered without actually having undergone the reassignment surgery.

    Indeed, I suspect it's those Transgendered persons who haven't had the surgery that have the hardest time: living with a body that is so anatomically incorrect with the perception of gender that they identify with.

    I suspect on this website, there will be little support for transgendered persons...and thus little understanding as well: though I must say, I was pleasantly surprised by the outpouring of condemnation that came on that thread where the transgendered woman was attacked by those other two women at a McDonalds.

    Perhaps there's hope for the LGBT community to come through with support for it's most marginalized demographic after all!
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    May 03, 2011 5:22 PM GMT
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    skater227, they aren't drag queens. They're transgenders.


    Some are gay, some are straight, and some are Bi.

    Sure they should get support, like any minority that's discriminated against.



    Of course any discriminated minority deserves support. But why do gays always choose transgender to support rather than any other minority. They are free to discriminate against any other minority, so why is sexual perversion something we're supposed to fight to the death to protect. Last I checked, I see very few gays standing up for bisexuals. More like making fun of it like it doesn't exist. Why the double standard? Why do only drag queens deserve our respect as a "discriminated minority"

    So basically I would be more accepted by the gays if I was a tranny than a bisexual. its just ridiculous!
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    May 03, 2011 5:30 PM GMT
    There has been a few reports lately about transpersons getting harrassed.
    I find this trend really shocking and disgusting; they need as much support from us as we need support from each other.
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    May 03, 2011 5:35 PM GMT
    well I would imagine. Of course if you are getting boobs for the first time you're gonna need some support. I hear the IPEX bra is good for that.
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    May 03, 2011 5:39 PM GMT
    skater227 said
    meninlove said
    skater227, they aren't drag queens. They're transgenders.


    Some are gay, some are straight, and some are Bi.

    Sure they should get support, like any minority that's discriminated against.



    Of course any discriminated minority deserves support. But why do gays always choose transgender to support rather than any other minority. They are free to discriminate against any other minority, so why is sexual perversion something we're supposed to fight to the death to protect. Last I checked, I see very few gays standing up for bisexuals. More like making fun of it like it doesn't exist. Why the double standard? Why do only drag queens deserve our respect as a "discriminated minority"

    So basically I would be more accepted by the gays if I was a tranny than a bisexual. its just ridiculous!


    gay people are racist, make fun of bisexuals, and are mean to poor gays........everyone can take a number we have a lot to work on. Lesbians are sooooo far ahead of us. I think it's because of ellen.
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    May 03, 2011 5:51 PM GMT
    FYI, there are a few gay transmen here on RJ. So perhaps a little respect
    and support would be nice instead of all the hatred and sassy quips.
    Many of you don't know how hard it is to feel like an outsider in your
    own community. So have a heart fellas! You don't get a prize for
    "most snap worthy read." You just come off like a shallow heartless
    bully. So knock it off!
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    May 03, 2011 8:04 PM GMT
    west77 saidPresent me with a petition and we'll talk. Post an outrageous video and I am happy to comment. Hell, if there is a specific example of blatant hatred in my city I might turn out... but I just don't really have the time or organization (or, in most cases the will) to be an activist for any cause.


    Are you kidding me? I mean...you have got to be fucking kidding me? Search for transgendered and McDonalds in this forum or even on google and you'll see the video of the transexual girl who got beat senseless into a coma IN THE MIDDLE OF MCDONALDS! There was a thread about it with strong opposition but in favor of the trans girl.

    I don't think transgendered people have lost their jobs because they are transgendered. So far I have only met 1 transgendered girl who I found myself actually really liking and connecting with, and I knew her previously as a boy.

    Transgendered girls and butch lesbians have 2 things in common: bad ass attitudes. My last encounter with a transgendered girl in Florida, she spent 5 minutes on the phone threatening to beat my ass calling me every f and n word in the book...because of an incident that occurred with a mutual friend thinking I had something to do with it.

    The hormones that a lot of them take are like body builders on steroids. And I've found many of them hard to deal with...however, the stable ones have made even better friends than the average gay guy.