IMPACT OF BIN LADEN'S DEATH ON THE 2012 ELECTIONS.....

  • HndsmKansan

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    May 02, 2011 12:50 PM GMT
    It didn't take long did it? Analyists already evaluating how the death of Bin Laden will boost Obama's reelection and have stunned the right wing
    loons for the moment.

    My personal view is certainly Obama had been favored to win reelection, this will add to his chances, but in the end, the economy and other factors will be given greater weight than this event......

    But this event was a significant political event for Obama and the country.

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    May 02, 2011 1:28 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidIt didn't take long did it? Analyists already evaluating how the death of Bin Laden will boost Obama's reelection and have stunned the right wing
    loons for the moment.

    My personal view is certainly Obama had been favored to win reelection, this will add to his chances, but in the end, the economy and other factors will be given greater weight than this event......

    But this event was a significant political event for Obama and the country.

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    No one stunned. Dream on. News indicates key evidence from water boarding. How do you like that?
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    HndsmKansan saidIt didn't take long did it? Analyists already evaluating how the death of Bin Laden will boost Obama's reelection and have stunned the right wing
    loons for the moment.

    My personal view is certainly Obama had been favored to win reelection, this will add to his chances, but in the end, the economy and other factors will be given greater weight than this event......

    But this event was a significant political event for Obama and the country.

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    No one stunned. Dream on. News indicates key evidence from water boarding. How do you like that?


    See? Obama Derangement Syndrome.

    And where did you hear that little tidbit?
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    May 02, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    Christian73 said...And where did you hear that little tidbit?



    from an "undisclosed location" that only charmin and his bf goes.




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    May 02, 2011 2:53 PM GMT
    socalfitness said


    No one stunned. Dream on. News indicates key evidence from water boarding. How do you like that?


    Somehow I thought you'd be the first person to respond to this thread...
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    No one stunned. Dream on. News indicates key evidence from water boarding. How do you like that?


    Somehow I thought you'd be the first person to respond to this thread...

    And it didn't surprise me that you were first to start such a thread. It will be interesting to get more on the gitmo angle before too many conclusions are drawn. I suspect that the basis for the evidence on the courier and that the intel was 4 years in the making will deflate the premise of this thread.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 02, 2011 3:53 PM GMT
    The reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute. Some will only want to give Obama credit, others Bush credit, while the vast majority will likely give credit to both administrations and, most importantly, our troops and intelligence agencies who have worked tirelessly spanning a decade to get to this point. What do you bet that by the end of May, this will all be old news -- kind of like Japan is now, and other stories that get beaten to death then slowly fade from memory -- and America gets back to the real pressing issues at the moment -- gas prices and the economy.
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    May 02, 2011 4:07 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute. Some will only want to give Obama credit, others Bush credit, while the vast majority will likely give credit to both administrations and, most importantly, our troops and intelligence agencies who have worked tirelessly spanning a decade to get to this point. What do you bet that by the end of May, this will all be old news -- kind of like Japan is now, and other stories that get beaten to death then slowly fade from memory -- and America gets back to the real pressing issues at the moment -- gas prices and the economy.


    Will the Righties be giving Bush his due credit for the rising gas prices and destroying the economy, too? Prolly not. What we will hear from the right is "Bush hasn't been in office for 21/2 years. This is Obama's problem." LOL.

    Typicall GOP hypocrisy. Thank God Bush is no longer in the WH or we would never have found bin laden
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    May 02, 2011 4:08 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute. Some will only want to give Obama credit, others Bush credit, while the vast majority will likely give credit to both administrations and, most importantly, our troops and intelligence agencies who have worked tirelessly spanning a decade to get to this point. What do you bet that by the end of May, this will all be old news -- kind of like Japan is now, and other stories that get beaten to death then slowly fade from memory -- and America gets back to the real pressing issues at the moment -- gas prices and the economy.

    Agreed. The partisan discussions will fade and the pressing economic issues will have the major impact on the elections.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute. Some will only want to give Obama credit, others Bush credit, while the vast majority will likely give credit to both administrations and, most importantly, our troops and intelligence agencies who have worked tirelessly spanning a decade to get to this point. What do you bet that by the end of May, this will all be old news -- kind of like Japan is now, and other stories that get beaten to death then slowly fade from memory -- and America gets back to the real pressing issues at the moment -- gas prices and the economy.

    Agreed. The partisan discussions will fade and the pressing economic issues will have the major impact on the elections.


    Oil down nearly $2 per barrel since announcement of OBL's death. Gold down. Silver down. Stocks up. Hmmm.
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    May 02, 2011 4:18 PM GMT
    Christian73 said

    Oil down nearly $2 per barrel since announcement of OBL's death. Gold down. Silver down. Stocks up. Hmmm.



    Let's see how things look by Friday. Already, stocks are not so much UP as they are MIXED, oil is on it's way up again by noon. By the end of the day it may have had a negative impact on markets, especially if anti-American sentiments in the middle east spike sharply upwards -- which they appear to be doing by early accounts as news spreads of Bin Laden's killing.


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    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute. Some will only want to give Obama credit, others Bush credit, while the vast majority will likely give credit to both administrations and, most importantly, our troops and intelligence agencies who have worked tirelessly spanning a decade to get to this point. What do you bet that by the end of May, this will all be old news -- kind of like Japan is now, and other stories that get beaten to death then slowly fade from memory -- and America gets back to the real pressing issues at the moment -- gas prices and the economy.


    Will the Righties be giving Bush his due credit for the rising gas prices and destroying the economy, too? Prolly not. What we will hear from the right is "Bush hasn't been in office for 21/2 years. This is Obama's problem." LOL.

    Typicall GOP hypocrisy. Thank God Bush is no longer in the WH or we would never have found bin laden


    So destroying the economy = the longest period of uninterrupted job growth of 52 months and the longest consecutive period of GDP growth of 26 quarters in the nation’s history.

    What exactly Is that you lefties do to destroy your memory? Does all that pot you ‘guys’ smoke really do that much damage?


    http://post-gazette.com/pg/11121/1142937-373.stm

    "Oil prices are rising because (a) the value of the dollar is declining, which makes everything we import more expensive; (b) the Middle East, where most of the world's oil is produced, is in turmoil; and (c) because the Obama administration has sharply restricted oil drilling at home. Gasoline prices could be cut in half within a few years if those restrictions were lifted, according to Rep. Joe Barton, R-Tex, a former chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

    The price of gas is a dollar a gallon higher now than it was at this time a year ago. Most of the rise has come since Mr. Obama imposed a partial ban on drilling in the Gulf of Mexico."

    The last oil price spike ended on July 14, 2008, which, noted Will Collier, "was the very same day then President George W. Bush lifted, by executive order, a federal ban on offshore drilling."



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    May 02, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
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    So destroying the economy = the longest period of uninterrupted job growth of 52 months and the longest consecutive period of GDP growth of 26 quarters in the nation’s history.

    What exactly Is that you lefties do to destroy your memory? Does all that pot you ‘guys’ smoke really do that much damage?



    As to the first, yeah, a huge financial bubble that had burst by the time Bush was out of office. Obama didn't burst it. (Neither did Bush really, I am not a believer that government can control economic cycles, but his policies didn't help.)

    As for the second, you know what I think of statements like that.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 02, 2011 6:53 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness said


    No one stunned. Dream on. News indicates key evidence from water boarding. How do you like that?


    Somehow I thought you'd be the first person to respond to this thread...

    And it didn't surprise me that you were first to start such a thread. It will be interesting to get more on the gitmo angle before too many conclusions are drawn. I suspect that the basis for the evidence on the courier and that the intel was 4 years in the making will deflate the premise of this thread.


    What a comment. We had a rather significant event here. I'm commenting on those who analyze were talking about its impact on the 2012 election. There is no "deflation" of the premise of this thread... good grief.
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    May 02, 2011 6:56 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute.


    I think it will be far longer than a minute.... a hell of a lot longer.
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    May 02, 2011 7:04 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute.


    I think it will be far longer than a minute.... a hell of a lot longer.


    Republicans are holding their breath that American's will forget about Obama's greatest achievement to date. Underneath it all, you know they are seething that it happened under Obama's watch.
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    May 02, 2011 7:11 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute.


    I think it will be far longer than a minute.... a hell of a lot longer.


    Republicans are holding their breath that American's will forget about Obama's greatest achievement to date. Underneath it all, you know they are seething that it happened under Obama's watch.


    Despite the KU disagreement, we do seem to agree on political topics, Catfish... Socal was a bit terse above and for no reason and Todd
    (Curious) seems to have lost his usual pleasant attitude. How sad considering the jubilance of the day! Yea Obama!
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    May 02, 2011 7:17 PM GMT
    It's very important... until it's not.
    With the 24 hour news cycle and about a year and a half before the election, something else could come along to make people forget all about this.
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    May 02, 2011 7:23 PM GMT
    The democrats a disparates, they need ever boost they can get knowing much of America is not happy with Obama's change, because that all it's left them, is changed in their pockets. They keep blaming Bush, so now they must give him the credit for this. People are not happy with the Socialist States of America; it must have your founding forefathers rolling in their grave.
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    May 02, 2011 7:28 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute.


    I think it will be far longer than a minute.... a hell of a lot longer.


    Republicans are holding their breath that American's will forget about Obama's greatest achievement to date. Underneath it all, you know they are seething that it happened under Obama's watch.


    Maybe the ultra political ones. There are super political minded people on either side that hope for success or catastrophe based on political advantage.

    I find both Democrats and Republicans for the most part want the country to win and succeed.
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    catfish5 saidWill the Righties be giving Bush his due credit for the rising gas prices and destroying the economy, too? Prolly not. What we will hear from the right is "Bush hasn't been in office for 21/2 years. This is Obama's problem." LOL.

    Typical GOP hypocrisy. Thank God Bush is no longer in the WH or we would never have found bin Laden

    I've also been noting this hypocrisy. For months the Republicans here have been mocking those who note that many of Obama's problems (the economy, the debt, 2 wars) began under Bush. They ridiculed blaming Bush for anything, so late into the Obama Administration (actually, some of them were doing it at 6 months), despite the fact that any economist will tell you how much any national economy moves like molasses in winter.

    But as soon as Obama has a notable success, suddenly the Bush Effect DOES linger, it DOES continue. What a load of hypocritical crap.

    Apparently only success is retrograde and eligible to be appropriated by Republicans, but never failure, which is always original and a solitary orphan, to be left at the Democratic doorstep. A Republican model which does not surprise me. They cherry-picked the intelligence on the Iraq War, I guess they can cherry-pick the Obama successes they want to claim.

    Too bad for them Obama didn't have a great failure here, which the Republicans announced they wanted even before the man had taken his Oath of Office. "We want Obama to fail" they said and became the Party of No in Congress, to try to insure that Obama did fail. Well, at least like an inept boxer, the Repubs tend to telegraph their punches.
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    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute.


    I think it will be far longer than a minute.... a hell of a lot longer.


    Republicans are holding their breath that American's will forget about Obama's greatest achievement to date. Underneath it all, you know they are seething that it happened under Obama's watch.


    Maybe the ultra political ones. There are super political minded people on either side that hope for success or catastrophe based on political advantage.

    I find both Democrats and Republicans for the most part want the country to win and succeed.


    Here's a list of the Republicans who would rather Obama fail than the US succeed:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1532976

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    May 02, 2011 8:26 PM GMT
    Assuming the economy and gas prices more or less traverse or fluctuate with. 5% of $115/Bbl. (that is, no significant growth or retraction)... and the the debt cap crisis resolves w/o fanfare... Obama is a shoo-in for re-election.

    Of course, if gas tops $6/gal. this summer and the economy tanks till September and then utterly craters into Great Depression territory... then no number of high-value terrorists getting fragged will save Obama's bacon.

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    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute.


    I think it will be far longer than a minute.... a hell of a lot longer.


    Republicans are holding their breath that American's will forget about Obama's greatest achievement to date. Underneath it all, you know they are seething that it happened under Obama's watch.


    Despite the KU disagreement, we do seem to agree on political topics, Catfish... Socal was a bit terse above and for no reason and Todd
    (Curious) seems to have lost his usual pleasant attitude. How sad considering the jubilance of the day! Yea Obama!

    To be less terse.... I think my phrase "deflate the premise of the thread" was not the best choice of words. Certainly discussing any impact on the election is a reasonable topic, although I do think it is premature until more information becomes available and people have a chance to digest it. What I intended to say is when more information becomes available, I think the discussions about Obama getting all the credit and Bush none of the credit will be seen differently. As I said in the other thread, I think both Presidents are due some credit, although most goes to the military and intelligence services. The evidence is appearing that the basis for information that led to the capture came from techniques that Obama and his followers have strongly condemned and would have prevented, had Obama been in office two years earlier. Therefore, it is a bit of a reach to expect all the credit to come to Obama and for him to receive a significant boost in popularity in the long term when these facts are discussed. I would not be surprised to see a short-term boost in popularity, however.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/02/strands-bin-laden-gathered-cia-prison/
    BTW - It probably matters to some, the link is Fox News, but if you look at the page, you will see it was published by Associated Press.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidThe reality of this all is that America will revel in this victory -- for about a minute. Some will only want to give Obama credit, others Bush credit, while the vast majority will likely give credit to both administrations and, most importantly, our troops and intelligence agencies who have worked tirelessly spanning a decade to get to this point. What do you bet that by the end of May, this will all be old news -- kind of like Japan is now, and other stories that get beaten to death then slowly fade from memory -- and America gets back to the real pressing issues at the moment -- gas prices and the economy.


    Will the Righties be giving Bush his due credit for the rising gas prices and destroying the economy, too? Prolly not. What we will hear from the right is "Bush hasn't been in office for 21/2 years. This is Obama's problem." LOL.

    Typicall GOP hypocrisy. Thank God Bush is no longer in the WH or we would never have found bin laden


    So destroying the economy = the longest period of uninterrupted job growth of 52 months and the longest consecutive period of GDP growth of 26 quarters in the nation’s history.

    What exactly Is that you lefties do to destroy your memory? Does all that pot you ‘guys’ smoke really do that much damage?


    http://post-gazette.com/pg/11121/1142937-373.stm

    "Oil prices are rising because (a) the value of the dollar is declining, which makes everything we import more expensive; (b) the Middle East, where most of the world's oil is produced, is in turmoil; and (c) because the Obama administration has sharply restricted oil drilling at home. Gasoline prices could be cut in half within a few years if those restrictions were lifted, according to Rep. Joe Barton, R-Tex, a former chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

    The price of gas is a dollar a gallon higher now than it was at this time a year ago. Most of the rise has come since Mr. Obama imposed a partial ban on drilling in the Gulf of Mexico."

    The last oil price spike ended on July 14, 2008, which, noted Will Collier, "was the very same day then President George W. Bush lifted, by executive order, a federal ban on offshore drilling."







    The "longest period of uninterrupted job growth" was under Bush, eh?
    That stat is utterly meaningless.
    Here is the bottom line.
    The FACT is that Bush has the WORST record on job creation on record.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

    23 million jobs were created during the 8 years of the Clinton administration.
    Only 3 million jobs were created during the 8 years of the Bush administration.

    Facts can be a bitch!