What are we becoming?!

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    May 03, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
    The recent news of Osama bin Laden being killed by troops in Pakistan has made some sort of awkward celebration across the US. Even the President was quoted to say that the killing of bin Laden is the "most significant achievement to date."

    All I can think of is the quote that is also fluttering around. Which, I'll stole from meohmy. Thanks homeboy!

    “The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. … Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”
    -Martin Luther King Jr.

    I am NOT saying that I'm not glad that this man cannot hurt another innocent human, but I am having a hard time saying I am glad or happy that another human being is dead.

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    May 03, 2011 10:38 PM GMT
    There is a huge difference between violence and defense.
    The killing of Bin Laden was a defensive maneuver, and worthy of celebration.
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    May 03, 2011 10:39 PM GMT
    beHoops23 saidThe recent news of Osama bin Laden being killed by troops in Pakistan has made some sort of awkward celebration across the US. Even the President was quoted to say that the killing of bin Laden is the "most significant achievement to date."

    All I can think of is the quote that is also fluttering around. Which, I'll stole from meohmy. Thanks homeboy!

    “The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. … Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”
    -Martin Luther King Jr.

    I am NOT saying that I'm not glad that this man cannot hurt another innocent human, but I am having a hard time saying I am glad or happy that another human being is dead.

    Thoughts?

    Are you a mascot for some school. That head is cool!
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    May 03, 2011 10:48 PM GMT
    Two cases here:

    A) Osama was in fact a terrorist and their evidence is enough to prove that he was the mastermind behind the attacks on 9/11.
    or
    B) Osama in not the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks and they do not have enough evidence to prove it.

    Both A) and B) have enough arguments on their side to convince a person who is neutral on this issue that Osama may or may not have been the leader.

    No matter what the case may be, the death of a person should not be celebrated (in my eyes) as if they were in fact evil, then God will put them in their place (hell). If they were innocent then God will put them in their place (heaven).

    The USA has committed many crimes and caused terror to people in the east, does that mean that everytime an american troop is killed, the east should celebrate? No.

    I am not siding with anyone here because I was not there to witness the event. If he was a terrorist then I am content he was dealt with, but I will not go around and celebrate his death... I will keep it in my heart.
    If he was not a terrorist, then I know God will compensate him for the unjust the people of America have caused him on this Earth.


    Either way, no one should celebrate (in my eyes) the death of anyone.
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    May 03, 2011 11:13 PM GMT
    My thoughts? Martin Luther was a very smart man.
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    May 03, 2011 11:17 PM GMT
    I agree.

    I will say that I am relieved. I don't mind feeling relief when someone who is a detriment to society is gone. But I won't celebrate the death.
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    May 03, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidThere is a huge difference between violence and defense.
    The killing of Bin Laden was a defensive maneuver, and worthy of celebration.

    Agreed. And I likewise celebrate this death of a thoroughly evil person, who killed thousands of innocent people. In the same way that my late parents celebrated the death of Adolph Hiller, they who both wore uniforms in WWII and worked with millions of others to achieve that end.

    I am happy that a human being who caused many deaths of other humans, and was dedicated to causing many more, will kill no more. I understand the reluctance to celebrate a killing, that is commendable. But also commendable is to celebrate an end to a mass killer.
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    May 03, 2011 11:41 PM GMT
    _Mohammed_ saidTwo cases here:

    A) Osama was in fact a terrorist and their evidence is enough to prove that he was the mastermind behind the attacks on 9/11.
    or
    B) Osama in not the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks and they do not have enough evidence to prove it.

    Both A) and B) have enough arguments on their side to convince a person who is neutral on this issue that Osama may or may not have been the leader.

    No matter what the case may be, the death of a person should not be celebrated (in my eyes) as if they were in fact evil, then God will put them in their place (hell). If they were innocent then God will put them in their place (heaven).

    The USA has committed many crimes and caused terror to people in the east, does that mean that everytime an american troop is killed, the east should celebrate? No.

    I am not siding with anyone here because I was not there to witness the event. If he was a terrorist then I am content he was dealt with, but I will not go around and celebrate his death... I will keep it in my heart.
    If he was not a terrorist, then I know God will compensate him for the unjust the people of America have caused him on this Earth.


    Either way, no one should celebrate (in my eyes) the death of anyone.


    Firstly, Osama bin Laden did take credit for the 9/11 murders. Was he in reality innocent......and simply boasting of the crime in order to enhance his image? It's possible. However, NOT likely. Did he also falsely claim to be the mastermind of the bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania?

    Still, I agree with you that I don't celebrate his death. May his twisted mind find peace. May others find a nonviolent means to address the injustice they perceive.
  • Webster666

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    May 03, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
    Actions have consequences.
    Bin Laden signed his own death warrant.
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    May 04, 2011 4:53 AM GMT
    I think a majority of people who are celebrating his death are failing to realize that our troops that we have over there now are in more danger than before.. just stuff you think about when you have family and friends in the middle of all that..
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 04, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
    I was personally thrilled at the news of Bin Laden being killed but, admittedly, I cringed a bit watching the cheering in the streets as if our team had just won The Super Bowl. I understand the jubilation, but I do wish it wasn't out there for all the world to see.