Unhappy about the Conservative majority in Canada

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    May 04, 2011 3:47 AM GMT
    We need to build a movement that can bring Canadians together to hold Prime Minister Harper accountable, build support to fix our democracy, and achieve progress on the major challenges facing our country through all levels of government.

    Tell Prime Minister Harper: We will hold you accountable and push for electoral reform.

    http://www.leadnow.ca/majority

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    May 04, 2011 4:01 AM GMT
    Alright, I will.

    -Doug (although I think we should see what they do first before putting anyone's feet to the coals, lol!)

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    May 04, 2011 1:46 PM GMT
    Congrats Canada! The Canadians are also figuring it out that the left is not the solution. Free enterprise and individual liberties win.

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/conservatives-head-victory-canada-election-022335447.html
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    May 04, 2011 2:08 PM GMT
    OneGeezer saidCongrats Canada! The Canadians are also figuring it out that the left is not the solution. Free enterprise and individual liberties win.

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/conservatives-head-victory-canada-election-022335447.html



    lol, we've had Conservatives in charge for roughly five years now, so you're a little late with that sentiment. However Canadians as a whole are not so nut-bar polarized like the US seems to be. Your statement is a classic example.
    Bill and I have voted Conservative in the past, because we rather enjoyed a Conservative gov't kept in check by the other parties. This time, we voted NDP as we felt Harper had worn people out and that they would give him a majority so he wouldn't keep (and the other parties would stop as well) calling elections. Elections are expensive and most Canadians are fed up with them.

    The Liberal Party shot themselves squarely in the foot with Iggy refusing to rule out a hike in the Goods and Services Tax.
    Canadians well remember Chretien (Liberal) getting in after our Conservative gov't imposed this tax about 20 years ago. His battle-cry was that the consumers were mad. So they won a majority. Then Chretien backtracked and KEPT THE TAX.


    And Geezer, we've been here before. Mulroney and his Conservative gov't led Canada from 1984 to 1993. It took years to build themselves back up after their catastrophic failure.

    Harper is committed to Universal healthcare, but would like private delivery of it added to enhance it. Funding is to increase by 6% every year for the next four years.





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    May 04, 2011 2:11 PM GMT
    OneGeezer saidCongrats Canada! The Canadians are also figuring it out that the left is not the solution. Free enterprise and individual liberties win.

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/conservatives-head-victory-canada-election-022335447.html


    Here here
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    May 04, 2011 2:11 PM GMT
    it astounds me how stupid the average voter can be about the people they vote for. my mother (and I'm sure there were many more just like her) voted for the ahole because "he seems like a nice man." who cares about his platform: building super jails, privatizing healthcare, buying more jets for the armed forces, giving tax breaks to large corporations and the wealthy while increasing taxes to the middle class. he's anti-abortion, against helping the poor and other social programs, he's against gay marriage... and the list goes on.

    my only hope is that he doesn't turn out to be as bad as i think he will be.
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    May 04, 2011 2:21 PM GMT
    CDNFLJOCK saidit astounds me how stupid the average voter can be about the people they vote for. my mother (and I'm sure there were many more just like her) voted for the ahole because "he seems like a nice man." who cares about his platform: building super jails, privatizing healthcare, buying more jets for the armed forces, giving tax breaks to large corporations and the wealthy while increasing taxes to the middle class. he's anti-abortion, against helping the poor and other social programs, he's against gay marriage... and the list goes on.

    my only hope is that he doesn't turn out to be as bad as i think he will be.

    We've got our fingers crossed that his bible thumping evangelical christian background won't go to his head now that he has full reign.
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    May 04, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidCanada dodged the bullet and are on the right track.


    D'oh, who do you think has been running the country for the last five years?

    By being happy over a Canadian Conservative gov't you must be ecstatic over Obama's presidency, which is further to the right. Yet your topics are often hysterical screamings over Obama, so what's that all about?

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    May 04, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
    meninlove said...However Canadians as a whole are not so nut-bar polarized like the US seems to be.

    And Geezer, we've been here before. Mulroney and his Conservative gov't led Canada from 1984 to 1993. It took years to build themselves back up after their catastrophic failure.

    Damn it all!!! Stop being a voice of reason. I, for one am looking forward to US style splits and blind faith in one particular party or the other and believing they are the only party with answers led by modern day messiahs becoming the norm here in Canada. (Alright, not really. But it is fun to say.)

    In the mind of my sister health care is already gone due to this vote. In her mind Harper has already privatized every hospital, doctors are now only available for the rich, the whole health care system is gone; and he has only been elected for one day... After all, one of her friends told her that it will happen now that he has a majority.

    We had the Conservatives reduced from a majority to being able to hold cabinet meetings in a family sedan at a drive through in one election. It took 5 years (and what? three elections?) to reduce the Liberals from considering themselves the "natural ruling party of Canada" to 30 seats and # 3 spot in the house.

    I really hope that Canadians continue not to be afraid to toss out parties who are well past their "best before" dates. I think it is fair to give the current Conservatives 4 years of majority rule to judge what they truly are like as a party. This negativity and telling everybody who will listen that they will demolish health care, repeal gay marriage, womens rights, minority rights, and make abortions illegal (all of this despite a supreme court who will never allow it) is very old. Wake me up when Harper decrees women to be second class citizens confined to the house under the care and authority of their husbands.

    Yes, I really did want to see them held "in check" by another minority, but it is hard to judge a party and their true values when hampered by others. If, after four years they are truly the "boogeymen" that some claim I have no doubt they will be banished to the point of being irrelevant again for another decade or two. If they really are as bad as their detractors claim, it will be worth 4 years to banish them for twenty instead of having a country led by them (even as a minority government) for another 10 or 20 years. IF they really are this bad, the public needs to be able to see clearly who is running the country rather than through a lens distorted by a minority government. If they are not what the fear mongers would have me believe they are, it may be worth it to keep them around awhile longer to remind the Liberals that there is no guarantee of Canadian support for their party before returning them to power so that we can start this whole blasted process over again...
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    May 04, 2011 3:13 PM GMT
    Bryzen saidWe need to build a movement that can bring Canadians together to hold Prime Minister Harper accountable, build support to fix our democracy, and achieve progress on the major challenges facing our country through all levels of government.

    Tell Prime Minister Harper: We will hold you accountable and push for electoral reform.


    Why would we tell Harper anything? Indeed, why would he push for electoral reform?

    Do you know what the second leading political choice was in this country in this election?

    Apathy.

    Voter turn out is estimated to be 61.4%, meaning that 38.6% of Canadians couldn't be bothered to get out and vote, and the Harper Government won it's majority government while being the choice of less than 25% of eligible voters.

    Oh, I realize that someone will come along and say "well, that happens in every party...even the Liberals won elections because some voters didn't vote," or some variant of that...and they are correct.

    However at the end of the day, if people aren't voting, then frankly I'd just as soon keep the First Past the Post system...lest we find ourselves at one point dealing with a xenophobic political movement that can gain marginal traction across the country...but is not strong in any one riding.

    This is especially important considering what I just said about how many Canadians couldn't be bothered to vote. Ugh, I'm so annoyed by that!

    If people want to respond to this election by pressuring others...they're wasting their time on Stephen Harper: he's the same man who, while he was holding rallies, refused access to people he believed to have sympathies with other political parties.

    He's going to see this for what it is: the population that doesn't like him wanting to change the political process so that he would either have yet another minority parliament, or would support a Liberal-NDP governing coalition.

    We should be pressing the Liberals and NDP...and to a lesser extent, the Greens to unite the Centre-Left vote by either fusing their parties, or by creating some common congress whereby the parties divide up Canada and take over exclusive electoral responsibility in those areas, with an understanding that they are part of a "Progressive Coalition bloc" or something in the same way that, for instance, that John Howard in Australia led his Liberal-National coalition to power in Australia from 1996-2007!

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    May 04, 2011 3:14 PM GMT
    CDNFLJOCK saidit astounds me how stupid the average voter can be about the people they vote for. my mother (and I'm sure there were many more just like her) voted for the ahole because "he seems like a nice man." who cares about his platform: building super jails, privatizing healthcare, buying more jets for the armed forces, giving tax breaks to large corporations and the wealthy while increasing taxes to the middle class. he's anti-abortion, against helping the poor and other social programs, he's against gay marriage... and the list goes on.

    my only hope is that he doesn't turn out to be as bad as i think he will be.


    Let’s see if I have the typical left-wing line straight here. If the 'average voter' disagree with you folks on the left, the divinely anointed purveyor of the truth, then they are stupid - got it.

    Self-righteous much?
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    May 04, 2011 3:22 PM GMT
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    CDNFLJOCK saidit astounds me how stupid the average voter can be about the people they vote for. my mother (and I'm sure there were many more just like her) voted for the ahole because "he seems like a nice man." who cares about his platform: building super jails, privatizing healthcare, buying more jets for the armed forces, giving tax breaks to large corporations and the wealthy while increasing taxes to the middle class. he's anti-abortion, against helping the poor and other social programs, he's against gay marriage... and the list goes on.

    my only hope is that he doesn't turn out to be as bad as i think he will be.


    Let’s see if I have the typical left-wing line straight here. If the 'average voter' disagree with you folks on the left, the divinely anointed purveyor of the truth, then they are stupid - got it.

    Self-righteous much?


    lol, OneGeezer, you so don't get it at all. Have you not noticed that Canadians are not at each others throats? Quite frankly, what CDNFLOCK posted is true in the 'nice man' respect. I know several that voted for him based solely on that and knew zip about the party or Stevie's ideas.

    In Canada, the Left, Center, and the Right all have something of value to bring to the table. All have their failings as well.

    West77 and CDN both have given great viewpoints, and you'll notice neither are attacking each other. That would be more a US thing, to provoke. Many consider the US in regards to politics to be the United Hates of America.



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    May 04, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    OneGeezer said
    CDNFLJOCK saidit astounds me how stupid the average voter can be about the people they vote for. my mother (and I'm sure there were many more just like her) voted for the ahole because "he seems like a nice man." who cares about his platform: building super jails, privatizing healthcare, buying more jets for the armed forces, giving tax breaks to large corporations and the wealthy while increasing taxes to the middle class. he's anti-abortion, against helping the poor and other social programs, he's against gay marriage... and the list goes on.

    my only hope is that he doesn't turn out to be as bad as i think he will be.


    Let’s see if I have the typical left-wing line straight here. If the 'average voter' disagree with you folks on the left, the divinely anointed purveyor of the truth, then they are stupid - got it.

    Self-righteous much?


    lol, OneGeezer, you so don't get it at all. Have you not noticed that Canadians are not at each others throats? Quite frankly, what CDNFLOCK posted is true in the 'nice man' respect. I know several that voted for him based solely on that and knew zip about the party or Stevie's ideas.

    In Canada, the Left, Center, and the Right all have something of value to bring to the table. All have their failings as well.

    West77 and CDN both have given great viewpoints, and you'll notice neither are attacking each other. That would be more a US thing, to provoke. Many consider the US in regards to politics to be the United Hates of America.


    Funny dude. In one line you decry our lack of civility south of the border and then in the next line

    "United Hates of America." Good job proving my point!
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    May 04, 2011 3:42 PM GMT
    lol, Bill and I didn't call the US that. Others did as an observation. Prove them wrong, Geezer.
    I also notice that you ignored the entire post except for that bit that you've done a 'virtual gasp' over. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I've been reading your language, everything from 'lesbos' to 'lefty' which contains more info than an entire sentence. icon_wink.gif



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    May 04, 2011 4:48 PM GMT
    meninlove said lol, Bill and I didn't call the US that. Others did as an observation. Prove them wrong, Geezer.
    I also notice that you ignored the entire post except for that bit that you've done a 'virtual gasp' over. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I've been reading your language, everything from 'lesbos' to 'lefty' which contains more info than an entire sentence. icon_wink.gif



    Be difficult to prove wrong when I mostly agree, but I did notice how you 'had' to throw that in there to further civility, decorum, and understanding in these forums. And just after you decried such behavior.

    And yes, I use 'lefty' and 'leftist', as there is nothing remotely liberal about the left in the Unites STATES these days. "Lesbo" - show me. You will of course note how many thousands of times right-winger has been used in the RJ forum?
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    May 04, 2011 5:13 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidCanada dodged the bullet and are on the right track.


    D'oh, who do you think has been running the country for the last five years?

    By being happy over a Canadian Conservative gov't you must be ecstatic over Obama's presidency, which is further to the right. Yet your topics are often hysterical screamings over Obama, so what's that all about?



    Yeah... Obama is so far to the left he's come around to the right. icon_rolleyes.gif


    They are just points on a circle -

    i.e. stalin and hitler
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    May 04, 2011 5:26 PM GMT

    "They are just points on a circle -

    i.e. stalin and hitler"

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    May 04, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
    i for one love america and dislike canada
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    May 04, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    "They are just points on a circle -

    i.e. stalin and hitler"

    icon_rolleyes.gif


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    May 04, 2011 5:43 PM GMT
    I am not thrilled that they have a majority but at least something should get done in the next four years. Being a Quebecer, I am also extremely pleased that the PQ has pretty much collapsed and that the Liberals got a wake up call. We will all have to wait and see !
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    May 04, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
    havingfunmtl946 saidI am not thrilled that they have a majority but at least something should get done in the next four years. Being a Quebecer, I am also extremely pleased that the PQ has pretty much collapsed and that the Liberals got a wake up call. We will all have to wait and see !


    You are rare!
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    May 04, 2011 5:47 PM GMT
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    lol, OneGeezer, you so don't get it at all. Have you not noticed that Canadians are not at each others throats? Quite frankly, what CDNFLOCK posted is true in the 'nice man' respect. I know several that voted for him based solely on that and knew zip about the party or Stevie's ideas.

    In Canada, the Left, Center, and the Right all have something of value to bring to the table. All have their failings as well.

    West77 and CDN both have given great viewpoints, and you'll notice neither are attacking each other. That would be more a US thing, to provoke. Many consider the US in regards to politics to be the United Hates of America.





    Well said.

    Personally I am quite despondent that Harper won, especially given the scandals and arbitrariness that have characterised his and his party's recent history. But I found myself unable to find fault with West77's views. A lot of the media, and a lot of Liberals/NDP/BQ fear-mongering has been just that: worst case scenarios that in many cases ignore the realities of our parliamentary system.
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    May 04, 2011 5:51 PM GMT
    havingfunmtl946 saidI am not thrilled that they have a majority but at least something should get done in the next four years. Being a Quebecer, I am also extremely pleased that the PQ has pretty much collapsed and that the Liberals got a wake up call. We will all have to wait and see !


    I agree completely--as an Ontarian I'm not sad to see the Bloc lose official party status in the House, and the Liberals do need to completely rethink who they are and what they stand for. Every party needs to at some point: the Conservatives did it post-Mulroney, Blair brought Labour kicking & screaming into the 21st Century in Britain (a few years early, no less!). My riding is a Liberal stronghold but I'm interested to see what the Liberals do with this "time out."
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    May 04, 2011 5:56 PM GMT
    "Canadian Voters are like Alzheimers Patients in a whorehouse..Constantly surprised to find out they are getting screwed..."
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    May 04, 2011 8:35 PM GMT
    I am minding my own damned business on this one because I am not a Canadian citizen and I don't pay taxes to Ottawa.