Music created through a computer is NOT MUSIC!!!!

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    May 04, 2011 5:34 AM GMT
    Well, I totally disagree! just because the music is generated through a computer, it does not mean its not music. In this case, the computer is the instrument! sure you are not playing the actual instrument, but you are playing the instrument within the computer. For that, you need to know music composition and theory....I find it frustrating when someone dismisses electronic music or music created using a computer program NOT MUSIC. When it comes to vocals, I totally agree. You can make anyone sound good with autotune and other tools and if you can't sing your song live, then that's a shame. However, to create the music within the song requires musical talent and creativity.

    what do you think? Is music created through a computer still music OR just crap?
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    May 04, 2011 5:53 AM GMT
    Human species are scientifically proven to be against all changes, but it is true even arts evolve, we have to bear with it and eventually most of us will like that change!
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    May 04, 2011 5:55 AM GMT
    AlexGuess saidHuman species are scientifically proven to be against all changes, but it is true even arts evolve, we have to bear with it and eventually most of us will like that change!


    Interesting....I agree
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    May 04, 2011 5:56 AM GMT
    I was a music major in college for 2 years. Believe me, after Stockhausen your mind opens light years to the possibilities of what music is and can be.
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    May 04, 2011 6:01 AM GMT
    "For that, you need to know music composition and theory.."

    That's not necessarily true for today's music. Technology enables people to make music without the burden of learning the fundamentals. Whether that's good or bad is up for debate. But I think music is mainly expression through sound. It doesn't have to be technical, in terms of theory. It just has to sound good.
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    May 04, 2011 6:04 AM GMT
    xrichx said

    That's not necessarily true for today's music. Technology enables people to make music without the burden of learning the fundamentals. Whether that's good or bad is up for debate. But I think music is mainly expression through sound. It doesn't have to be technical, in terms of theory. It just has to sound good.


    Tonal and harmonic structure are also completely irrelevant for a great deal of contemporary academic inquiries currently done in music. You still get it as a foundation in any music program, though.
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    May 04, 2011 6:18 AM GMT
    Music is "humanly organised sound" so YES it is music...

    It certainly isnt nearly as good though as live played music when its electronically programmed....

    Its comparing a real live person singing to a computer generated voice producing a melody.. the former is DEFINITELY better
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    May 04, 2011 6:24 AM GMT
    Pato599 saidMusic is "humanly organised sound" so YES it is music...

    It certainly isnt nearly as good though as live played music when its electronically programmed....

    Its comparing a real live person singing to a computer generated voice producing a melody.. the former is DEFINITELY better


    There are instrumental versions of electronic music however.


    And even this has live performance of electronic parts of it.
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    May 04, 2011 11:12 AM GMT
    In music production houses here in LA, particularly for film and video game music, yes, the computer is vital! MIDI Programs Sebilius, Logic and a few others are vital for composers when you have a 60 piece orchestra. Or even more so, 60 distinct tracks. I had the wonderful opportunity to watch the recording of "A Christmas Carol." music live with Alan Silvestri and Bob Zemeckis and let me tell you... they have MIDI, protools and all that stuff around. Of course, they had the Hollywood Orchestra perform the music which was amazing! (Sometimes I wish the film was silent so the music could take control it was so powerful to just hear the music while the movie played). But, before it is performed by the ochestra, they need all the MIDI instruments, and often times still use synth effects for various parts. Even in mainstream music, they still need some talent at some level. One must have a sense of music hearing if he feels what he is listening to sounds good or bad to his ears. So, even if electronic and synth sounds that are not actually peformed are being used, we hear something we like or can appreciate to some form of degree. icon_smile.gif
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    May 04, 2011 12:01 PM GMT
    Electronic music has its place, but music can only be as good as its performers. I'm a MAX MSP fan. That is something totally genius. There are many composition tools out there, and I have succumbed finally within the last five years to doing all my compositions on Sibelius. I would never play a sound file through Sibelius though, gross.

    Protools is a great mixing/mastering program, but again it's only as good as the musicians behind it.
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    May 04, 2011 12:06 PM GMT
    I'm sorry but the first 40 seconds of that video (that's all I could take!) sounded like a Greyhound dragging it's own muffler and a piano down the interstate....icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 04, 2011 12:16 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said I'm sorry but the first 40 seconds of that video (that's all I could take!) sounded like a Greyhound dragging it's own muffler and a piano down the interstate....icon_rolleyes.gif


    Stockhausen is amazing.
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    May 04, 2011 12:19 PM GMT
    Music created on a computer is music. It's just the next evolution. I am sure the piano generated a negative response when it was first invented. They would have been a niche fringe group of people how enjoyed it, which in the end made it a popular instrument.
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    May 04, 2011 12:29 PM GMT
    We also have much more knowledge about psychoacoustics now to manipulate sound in ways that our brain cannot detect differences in computer generated music.
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    May 04, 2011 12:37 PM GMT
    I agree with you! And I especially agree with you on vocals!

    A voice from a computer is not singing... I'm looking at you Shitney Smears icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 04, 2011 12:46 PM GMT
    Close your eyes.

    Listen.

    If what you hear is music to you, then yes, it's music. Let the critics parse its validity according to the constructs of the day and time; it is the human heart and spirit that defines art, not art critics.

    What sings, sings. What songs you hear, are yours. That's all that matters. The rest is academic, and frankly, I'd rather hear music than polemics any day.
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    May 04, 2011 1:00 PM GMT
    My key playing friend brought up a very interesting point.

    Just because one machine that makes noise is physical, and the other is electronic, does not mean either is less viable.

    He pointed to the fact that he uses an electronic keyboard, and that it's just a computer with specially designed keys and good sound files linked to them.
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    May 04, 2011 1:06 PM GMT
    And books are not books unless they are handwritten! Can you imagine handwriting a full book? My hand tires just filling out mailing forms.

    I say if it doesn't sound computer-generated, like the hoards of god-awful, royalty-free music out there, then it's music.

    BTW Pawin, where's the dance mix of your latest song? Wanna hear. icon_wink.gif
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    May 04, 2011 1:21 PM GMT
    One of my old faves - synthesizer. Debussy.


  • Aus92

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    May 04, 2011 1:24 PM GMT
    Im perfectly fine with listening to music created by a computer, jsut as long as when I go and see them live they can back it up with real instruments then. icon_smile.gif
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    May 04, 2011 1:37 PM GMT
    deltalimen said
    StudlyScrewRite said I'm sorry but the first 40 seconds of that video (that's all I could take!) sounded like a Greyhound dragging it's own muffler and a piano down the interstate....icon_rolleyes.gif


    Stockhausen is amazing.


    The phrase 'Music to my ears' comes to mind. I am/was a percussionist in college, so this piece makes sense to me and is really amazing music in so many ways.

    However, I'm not sure if the OP meant music created autonomously by a computer such as the program 'Band in a Box' which can create an entire composition by itself, or simply composition and performance by a human on electronic equipment. Either way it is still music... to somebody's ears.

    Here is a piece which I only grudgingly call music, but nonetheless...


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    May 04, 2011 1:43 PM GMT
    crazycool saidwhat do you think? Is music created through a computer still music OR just crap?
    I think that since I've been playing with electronic music since the 6th grade, I really don't give a fuck what other people think. I'll enjoy my electronic music, and they can go fuck themselves. icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 04, 2011 1:48 PM GMT
    deltalimen said

    Stockhausen is amazing.


    Agreed! So is Alvin Lucier!

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    May 04, 2011 1:50 PM GMT
    Hogwash.

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    May 04, 2011 2:04 PM GMT
    I would say that music created through a computer is definitely still music. What is music if not personal definition. We take sounds and melodies and call it music when its nothing but an arrangement of noises that seem to flow together. Whether you create this using a violin, a guitar, or a Mac you're still creating this and therefore making music.