The 2012 Electoral Math Looks Good for the GOP

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    The presidential election will likely be decided in 14 states.
    Wall Street Journal, May 5, 2011, Opinion Section
    by Karl Rove

    The number 270 will come to dominate almost every waking moment for the Obama re-election high command in Chicago—as well as for their counterparts in the headquarters of the GOP nominee next year.

    Two hundred seventy is the number of Electoral College votes needed to win the White House. Strategists on both sides will obsess on how to cobble together enough states to reach that total.

    Since the 2008 election, 18 states have experienced a change in their number of electoral votes because of the decennial census. Some (mostly red ones) have gained electoral votes and some (mostly blue) have lost electoral votes. John McCain would have closed the gap by 14 electoral votes in 2008 if the contest had been run under the 2012 Electoral College distribution.

    Most states are not in play. Mr. Obama will not win Utah and Wyoming, and the Republican nominee will not carry the District of Columbia or Rhode Island. But right now 14 states (with 172 electoral votes) are up for grabs.

    Mr. Obama narrowly won three traditionally Republican states in 2008: Indiana, Virginia and North Carolina. Democrats last carried the first two in 1964 and the third in 1976.

    The president will be hard-pressed to win these states and their 39 electoral votes next year, especially Indiana and North Carolina. Democrats will have their convention in Charlotte in an attempt to hold the latter. But a 2009 study by political scientists Michael J. Berry and Kenneth Bickers (of the University of Colorado at Boulder and Denver, respectively) found "no evidence that hosting a national nominating convention has any discernible effect on the ultimate vote in that state."

    Ohio, with 18 electoral votes, and Florida, with 29, both went Democratic in 2008 (they went Republican in 2004), but the swing in each was less than the national average. This indicates some weakness for Mr. Obama that has persisted: A recent Quinnipiac University poll in Florida shows the president losing to a generic, unnamed Republican by three points.

    There are nine other states that have frequently been battlegrounds in recent contests. There is every reason to believe they will be so again.

    According to recent polls (conducted by Public Policy Polling and the polling arms of Suffolk and Quinnipiac universities, the University of New Hampshire, and Dartmouth College), Mr. Obama trails former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in New Hampshire (four electoral votes), and he leads a generic, unnamed Republican by only one point in Pennsylvania (20 votes), a state he carried last time by over 10%. He leads a Republican (both unnamed and named) in the Midwest states of Michigan (16 electoral votes), Wisconsin (10), Iowa (six), and Minnesota (10)—but with less than 50%.

    Then there are Western battlegrounds: Colorado (nine electoral votes), New Mexico (five) and Nevada (six). Mr. Obama leads in the first two with more than 50%—albeit in polls by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm that tends to be more generous to its party's candidates. But in Nevada, Mr. Obama trails Mr. Romney in a poll conducted by the same firm.

    The 2012 presidential election is likely to be decided in 14 states. If Mr. Obama loses the three states he narrowly carried in 2008 plus Ohio and Florida, then the GOP would win back the White House by swiping any one of the nine remaining battlegrounds. This is a good place for the party to be right now.

    The GOP could benefit from the enthusiasm and new registrations generated in its primaries, just as Democrats did in 2008. It also helps that there are Republican governors in 10 of the 14 battleground states. Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus is planning a big ground game in these states to register, persuade and turn out the vote.

    Team Obama can't afford to only play defense. They say they will make plays for Georgia, Arizona and Texas. The first is a long shot; the last two are either attempts to sucker the GOP into a defensive crouch or simply represent bravado. Neither state is likely to go Democratic.

    The president's team is already focused on its Electoral College math project. According to CBS Radio's Mark Knoller, since January President Obama has made 40 stops in 15 states. Twelve stops were in battleground states and of the remaining 28 events, 15 were fund raisers in Democratic treasure houses like New York City, Los Angeles and San Francisco.

    At this point, the 2012 election is shaping up to be much closer than 2008. Mr. Obama has the considerable benefits of incumbency but also a dismal record. The electoral map has shrunk for him: Key states that went for him last time are unlikely to do so again. This election is within the GOP's grasp. The quality of the Republican candidate's campaign and message will decide whether it becomes so.

    Mr. Rove is the former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush.
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    May 06, 2011 1:26 AM GMT
    Ah yes... Lay the groundwork for the theory of why Obama might lose in case Rove succeeds in again stealing an election through voter suppression and rigging voting machines. I say we find out which of those states have Diebold machines since they "won" Bush the 2004 election.
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    Christian73 saidAh yes... Lay the groundwork for the theory of why Obama might lose in case Rove succeeds in again stealing an election through voter suppression and rigging voting machines. I say we find out which of those states have Diebold machines since they "won" Bush the 2004 election.

    Maybe cutting ACORN's wings will also help the GOP by preventing fraudulent registration and multiple voting. I know what you'll say. It wasn't done by ACORN, only its paid volunteers and employees. lol
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    It's a pity that all the candidates are so woefully terrible; that the GOP has no policies, and that the new Congress has achieved absolutely nothing other than revisiting the pointless [and offensive] abortion debate.

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    And I keep getting told how good it looks for Obama and the democrats.. especially with the increasing hispanic population.

    Your "reference" is Karl Rove... nuff said. If you are going to make a credible argument Socal... quote a reasonable, grounded source.

    I think I'll put my bets on the dems...

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    HndsmKansan saidAnd I keep getting told how good it looks for Obama and the democrats.. especially with the increasing hispanic population.

    Your "reference" is Karl Rove... nuff said. If you are going to make a credible argument Socal... quote a reasonable, grounded source.

    I think I'll put my bets on the dems...

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    Karl Rove is an excellent source. Tells it like it is. I have often heard him say things in the past that Republicans did not want to hear. A logical mind and great numbers guy. Did you notice, in his piece he continually pointed to polls, even those run by Democratic leaning organizations. Are those and his reporting not "reasonable, grounded"? Hopefully, there are some with analytical minds that can process numbers, even when they tell the story they don't want to hear.
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    Christian73 saidAh yes... Lay the groundwork for the theory of why Obama might lose in case Rove succeeds in again stealing an election through voter suppression and rigging voting machines. I say we find out which of those states have Diebold machines since they "won" Bush the 2004 election.

    Maybe cutting ACORN's wings will also help the GOP by preventing fraudulent registration and multiple voting. I know what you'll say. It wasn't done by ACORN, only its paid volunteers and employees. lol


    You're confusing very typical issues where VE volunteers end up with names like "Mickey Mouse", which are then tossed aside, with actual election fraud, which is what the GOP does, as well as illegal voter suppression tactics like telling people who've served their jail sentences that they still can't vote, which they've been caught doing in several states where they can.

    But if you're fine with their illegal, unconstitutional and racist tactics, it's just good to know.
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    HndsmKansan saidAnd I keep getting told how good it looks for Obama and the democrats.. especially with the increasing hispanic population.

    Your "reference" is Karl Rove... nuff said. If you are going to make a credible argument Socal... quote a reasonable, grounded source.

    I think I'll put my bets on the dems...

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    Karl Rove is an excellent source. Tells it like it is. I have often heard him say things in the past that Republicans did not want to hear. A logical mind and great numbers guy. Did you notice, in his piece he continually pointed to polls, even those run by Democratic leaning organizations. Are those and his reporting not "reasonable, grounded"? Hopefully, there are some with analytical minds that can process numbers, even when they tell the story they don't want to hear.


    Karl Rove is the KING of political "dirty tricks" and has committed treason against this country, something you don't' seem to care about.
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    May 06, 2011 2:53 AM GMT
    Karl Rove will join Osama bin Laden in HELL someday.

    Aside from that observation, I'd like to add that Rove is finished as far as his influence. Even younger Republicans dismiss him these days.
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    Christian73 said...Karl Rove is the KING of political "dirty tricks" and has committed treason against this country, something you don't' seem to care about.

    "Treason" - That's really funny. I guess he needs to go to the Hague along with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, maybe all the Republican members of Congress, too? Wasn't that your talking point yesterday? RJ political discussions are really becoming amusing. While the serious discussion is becoming much scarcer, the comedy is really picking up. Thanks for doing your part. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Christian73 saidAh yes... Lay the groundwork for the theory of why Obama might lose in case Rove succeeds in again stealing an election through voter suppression and rigging voting machines. I say we find out which of those states have Diebold machines since they "won" Bush the 2004 election.

    Maybe cutting ACORN's wings will also help the GOP by preventing fraudulent registration and multiple voting. I know what you'll say. It wasn't done by ACORN, only its paid volunteers and employees. lol


    You're confusing very typical issues where VE volunteers end up with names like "Mickey Mouse", which are then tossed aside, with actual election fraud, which is what the GOP does, as well as illegal voter suppression tactics like telling people who've served their jail sentences that they still can't vote, which they've been caught doing in several states where they can.

    But if you're fine with their illegal, unconstitutional and racist tactics, it's just good to know.

    So indignant. The Democrats are all about voter fraud. Case in point. In Georgia, when a bill was introduced to require IDs for voting, the Democrats objected, saying the poor would be unable to get IDs, and would therefore be unfairly excluded from voting. The bill was amended to provide for teams of state employees to go to any house to provide IDs free of charge. The Democrats still objected. Face it, while there have been dirty tricks by both sides, the corruption within the Democratic Party regarding voter registration is well established.
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    PresentMind saidKarl Rove will join Osama bin Laden in HELL someday.

    Aside from that observation, I'd like to add that Rove is finished as far as his influence. Even younger Republicans dismiss him these days.

    You might be misunderstanding Rove's role, at least currently. It is to analyze and report, not with a focus on influencing, unless others are motivated based on his reporting. His analysis is not always popular with some Republicans. Prior to the November elections, he correctly predicted on Fox News a Republican loss because he stated Christine O'Donnell could not win. Some were angry at his position, but he replied that he was paid to objectively analyze and report, even if it went against popular desires.
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    May 06, 2011 3:49 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidAh yes... Lay the groundwork for the theory of why Obama might lose in case Rove succeeds in again stealing an election through voter suppression and rigging voting machines. I say we find out which of those states have Diebold machines since they "won" Bush the 2004 election.

    Maybe cutting ACORN's wings will also help the GOP by preventing fraudulent registration and multiple voting. I know what you'll say. It wasn't done by ACORN, only its paid volunteers and employees. lol


    You're confusing very typical issues where VE volunteers end up with names like "Mickey Mouse", which are then tossed aside, with actual election fraud, which is what the GOP does, as well as illegal voter suppression tactics like telling people who've served their jail sentences that they still can't vote, which they've been caught doing in several states where they can.

    But if you're fine with their illegal, unconstitutional and racist tactics, it's just good to know.

    So indignant. The Democrats are all about voter fraud. Case in point. In Georgia, when a bill was introduced to require IDs for voting, the Democrats objected, saying the poor would be unable to get IDs, and would therefore be unfairly excluded from voting. The bill was amended to provide for teams of state employees to go to any house to provide IDs free of charge. The Democrats still objected. Face it, while there have been dirty tricks by both sides, the corruption within the Democratic Party regarding voter registration is well established.



    So if a Id is too much, what should be required? Are there people that live so far off the grid to not have 1 piece of ID?

    If Democrats object to Id's as a requirement to vote what was the motor voter registration act about.

    Its ok to use a ID to register potential voters, but they don't have to bring the ID that was used to register them?

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    Christian73 said...Karl Rove is the KING of political "dirty tricks" and has committed treason against this country, something you don't' seem to care about.

    "Treason" - That's really funny. I guess he needs to go to the Hague along with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, maybe all the Republican members of Congress, too? Wasn't that your talking point yesterday? RJ political discussions are really becoming amusing. While the serious discussion is becoming much scarcer, the comedy is really picking up. Thanks for doing your part. icon_biggrin.gif


    The disclosure of a CIA operative's identity is treason. Sure, Scooter took the fall but everyone knows Rove was behind the leak. He should in prison trading cigarettes for his life, not spewing propaganda on the pages of Rupert Murdoch's latest version of Pravda.
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    Christian73 said
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    Christian73 saidAh yes... Lay the groundwork for the theory of why Obama might lose in case Rove succeeds in again stealing an election through voter suppression and rigging voting machines. I say we find out which of those states have Diebold machines since they "won" Bush the 2004 election.

    Maybe cutting ACORN's wings will also help the GOP by preventing fraudulent registration and multiple voting. I know what you'll say. It wasn't done by ACORN, only its paid volunteers and employees. lol


    You're confusing very typical issues where VE volunteers end up with names like "Mickey Mouse", which are then tossed aside, with actual election fraud, which is what the GOP does, as well as illegal voter suppression tactics like telling people who've served their jail sentences that they still can't vote, which they've been caught doing in several states where they can.

    But if you're fine with their illegal, unconstitutional and racist tactics, it's just good to know.

    So indignant. The Democrats are all about voter fraud. Case in point. In Georgia, when a bill was introduced to require IDs for voting, the Democrats objected, saying the poor would be unable to get IDs, and would therefore be unfairly excluded from voting. The bill was amended to provide for teams of state employees to go to any house to provide IDs free of charge. The Democrats still objected. Face it, while there have been dirty tricks by both sides, the corruption within the Democratic Party regarding voter registration is well established.


    What Ken Blackwell did in Ohio in 2004 and what Kathleen Harris did in Florida in 2000 are well beyond the "vote early, vote often" tactics of Chicago Democrats decades ago. Please point to an example of voter suppress by Democrats or rigging electoral machines, or having the person designing the voting machines also be a major fundraiser for a Democrat.

    The whole ACORN thing is a smokescreen to remove attention from the actual election stealing by using white people's fear of black people as a cover.
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    Christian73 said...Karl Rove is the KING of political "dirty tricks" and has committed treason against this country, something you don't' seem to care about.

    "Treason" - That's really funny. I guess he needs to go to the Hague along with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, maybe all the Republican members of Congress, too? Wasn't that your talking point yesterday? RJ political discussions are really becoming amusing. While the serious discussion is becoming much scarcer, the comedy is really picking up. Thanks for doing your part. icon_biggrin.gif


    The disclosure of a CIA operative's identity is treason. Sure, Scooter took the fall but everyone knows Rove was behind the leak. He should in prison trading cigarettes for his life, not spewing propaganda on the pages of Rupert Murdoch's latest version of Pravda.

    Nope, wrong again. It was Richard Armitage, but because he is a Democrat, it was hushed. Do you advocate prison for him, or only Republicans? RJ comedy central continues. Oh, is cnn ok as a source?

    http://articles.cnn.com/2006-08-30/politics/leak.armitage_1_novak-and-other-journalists-cia-officer-valerie-plame-plame-and-wilson?_s=PMicon_razz.gifOLITICS
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    Christian73 said...Karl Rove is the KING of political "dirty tricks" and has committed treason against this country, something you don't' seem to care about.

    "Treason" - That's really funny. I guess he needs to go to the Hague along with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, maybe all the Republican members of Congress, too? Wasn't that your talking point yesterday? RJ political discussions are really becoming amusing. While the serious discussion is becoming much scarcer, the comedy is really picking up. Thanks for doing your part. icon_biggrin.gif


    The disclosure of a CIA operative's identity is treason. Sure, Scooter took the fall but everyone knows Rove was behind the leak. He should in prison trading cigarettes for his life, not spewing propaganda on the pages of Rupert Murdoch's latest version of Pravda.


    That's pretty funny you race baiting dipshit, Richard Armitage has been trying to claim credit for it if you left wing ninnies like you would listen. No of course not, Armitage is a DEMOCRAT, no way he could do anything wrong.
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said...Karl Rove is the KING of political "dirty tricks" and has committed treason against this country, something you don't' seem to care about.

    "Treason" - That's really funny. I guess he needs to go to the Hague along with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, maybe all the Republican members of Congress, too? Wasn't that your talking point yesterday? RJ political discussions are really becoming amusing. While the serious discussion is becoming much scarcer, the comedy is really picking up. Thanks for doing your part. icon_biggrin.gif


    The disclosure of a CIA operative's identity is treason. Sure, Scooter took the fall but everyone knows Rove was behind the leak. He should in prison trading cigarettes for his life, not spewing propaganda on the pages of Rupert Murdoch's latest version of Pravda.


    That's pretty funny you race baiting dipshit, Richard Armitage has been trying to claim credit for it if you left wing ninnies like you would listen. No of course not, Armitage is a DEMOCRAT, no way he could do anything wrong.


    And I have a lovely bridge in Brooklyn that I'd like to sell you. It was a political hit which is Rove's specialty.
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    May 06, 2011 12:56 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidAh yes... Lay the groundwork for the theory of why Obama might lose in case Rove succeeds in again stealing an election through voter suppression and rigging voting machines. I say we find out which of those states have Diebold machines since they "won" Bush the 2004 election.

    Maybe cutting ACORN's wings will also help the GOP by preventing fraudulent registration and multiple voting. I know what you'll say. It wasn't done by ACORN, only its paid volunteers and employees. lol


    You're confusing very typical issues where VE volunteers end up with names like "Mickey Mouse", which are then tossed aside, with actual election fraud, which is what the GOP does, as well as illegal voter suppression tactics like telling people who've served their jail sentences that they still can't vote, which they've been caught doing in several states where they can.

    But if you're fine with their illegal, unconstitutional and racist tactics, it's just good to know.

    So indignant. The Democrats are all about voter fraud. Case in point. In Georgia, when a bill was introduced to require IDs for voting, the Democrats objected, saying the poor would be unable to get IDs, and would therefore be unfairly excluded from voting. The bill was amended to provide for teams of state employees to go to any house to provide IDs free of charge. The Democrats still objected. Face it, while there have been dirty tricks by both sides, the corruption within the Democratic Party regarding voter registration is well established.


    What Ken Blackwell did in Ohio in 2004 and what Kathleen Harris did in Florida in 2000 are well beyond the "vote early, vote often" tactics of Chicago Democrats decades ago. Please point to an example of voter suppress by Democrats or rigging electoral machines, or having the person designing the voting machines also be a major fundraiser for a Democrat.

    The whole ACORN thing is a smokescreen to remove attention from the actual election stealing by using white people's fear of black people as a cover.




    One at a time then

    Democrat Supporter Fined For 'Smokes For Votes'
    http://www.tobacco.org/news/65380.html

    Democrats support lax voter requirements. More requirements than renting a videotape. Which allows fraud.

    Isnt it puzzling how cities in decline will have more registered voters years later?

    In Cincinatti for example nearly every adult is registered. Hmmmmm..
    http://thebellwetherdaily.blogspot.com/2011/03/cincinnatis-population-total-plummets.html


    There are many more, such as the Minnesota , Wisconsin voter situation and the Black Panthers in Philadelphia?
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    May 06, 2011 1:07 PM GMT
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    HndsmKansan saidAnd I keep getting told how good it looks for Obama and the democrats.. especially with the increasing hispanic population.

    Your "reference" is Karl Rove... nuff said. If you are going to make a credible argument Socal... quote a reasonable, grounded source.

    I think I'll put my bets on the dems...

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    Karl Rove is an excellent source. Tells it like it is. I have often heard him say things in the past that Republicans did not want to hear. A logical mind and great numbers guy. Did you notice, in his piece he continually pointed to polls, even those run by Democratic leaning organizations. Are those and his reporting not "reasonable, grounded"? Hopefully, there are some with analytical minds that can process numbers, even when they tell the story they don't want to hear.


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    Must be awful lonely out there in their Conservative affirmation website, eh? Once again, socalfitness is provoking tensions...but of course if someone actually lays into him, he's going to play the victim yet again!
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    Must be awful lonely out there in their Conservative affirmation website, eh? Once again, socalfitness is provoking tensions...but of course if someone actually lays into him, he's going to play the victim yet again!
    All the time..
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    May 06, 2011 1:32 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidAh yes... Lay the groundwork for the theory of why Obama might lose in case Rove succeeds in again stealing an election through voter suppression and rigging voting machines. I say we find out which of those states have Diebold machines since they "won" Bush the 2004 election.

    Maybe cutting ACORN's wings will also help the GOP by preventing fraudulent registration and multiple voting. I know what you'll say. It wasn't done by ACORN, only its paid volunteers and employees. lol


    You're confusing very typical issues where VE volunteers end up with names like "Mickey Mouse", which are then tossed aside, with actual election fraud, which is what the GOP does, as well as illegal voter suppression tactics like telling people who've served their jail sentences that they still can't vote, which they've been caught doing in several states where they can.

    But if you're fine with their illegal, unconstitutional and racist tactics, it's just good to know.

    So indignant. The Democrats are all about voter fraud. Case in point. In Georgia, when a bill was introduced to require IDs for voting, the Democrats objected, saying the poor would be unable to get IDs, and would therefore be unfairly excluded from voting. The bill was amended to provide for teams of state employees to go to any house to provide IDs free of charge. The Democrats still objected. Face it, while there have been dirty tricks by both sides, the corruption within the Democratic Party regarding voter registration is well established.


    What Ken Blackwell did in Ohio in 2004 and what Kathleen Harris did in Florida in 2000 are well beyond the "vote early, vote often" tactics of Chicago Democrats decades ago. Please point to an example of voter suppress by Democrats or rigging electoral machines, or having the person designing the voting machines also be a major fundraiser for a Democrat.

    The whole ACORN thing is a smokescreen to remove attention from the actual election stealing by using white people's fear of black people as a cover.




    One at a time then

    Democrat Supporter Fined For 'Smokes For Votes'
    http://www.tobacco.org/news/65380.html

    Democrats support lax voter requirements. More requirements than renting a videotape. Which allows fraud.

    Isnt it puzzling how cities in decline will have more registered voters years later?

    In Cincinatti for example nearly every adult is registered. Hmmmmm..
    http://thebellwetherdaily.blogspot.com/2011/03/cincinnatis-population-total-plummets.html


    There are many more, such as the Minnesota , Wisconsin voter situation and the Black Panthers in Philadelphia?


    Your arguments are so hollow, they're laughable.

    Indeed, they're not even written correctly: after all, I think you meant to say "Less requirements than renting a videotape." Of course the right to vote is just that...A RIGHT. There is no such right applicable for renting a video tape.

    Surely even you can understand how "rights" work in this case!

    Of course, if you think about it, your whole point about cities in decline having more registered voters is also much ado about nothing. After all, if in fact there was a scenerio where 100% of citizens of those cities were registered in the first place, and the voter rolls grew while the population declined, you might have a point.

    But of course we all know that's not the case. A very significant portion of Americans in any given election are not registered to vote. The most logical explaination for the increase in registered voters in cities that are declining is that a greater percentage of the city's population is getting registered to vote.

    Isn't it funny that only Republicans seem to have a problem with that!

    I mean, for all your talk about ACORN, or about lax voter registration (once again, I can understand why you want rigid controls on who may vote in the cities: they're more likely to vote Democrat), you have absolutely no proof that Democrats have done anything wrong. Even the link in your story says that prosecutors did not have any proof that a crime had even been committed.

    2012 will come, and the votes will come...and whatever happens happens!

    Quit trying to deprive people of their rights to vote because you don't like the decisions they make when they exercise them!
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    HndsmKansan saidAnd I keep getting told how good it looks for Obama and the democrats.. especially with the increasing hispanic population.

    Your "reference" is Karl Rove... nuff said. If you are going to make a credible argument Socal... quote a reasonable, grounded source.

    I think I'll put my bets on the dems...

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    Karl Rove is an excellent source. Tells it like it is. I have often heard him say things in the past that Republicans did not want to hear. A logical mind and great numbers guy. Did you notice, in his piece he continually pointed to polls, even those run by Democratic leaning organizations. Are those and his reporting not "reasonable, grounded"? Hopefully, there are some with analytical minds that can process numbers, even when they tell the story they don't want to hear.


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    Must be awful lonely out there in their Conservative affirmation website, eh? Once again, socalfitness is provoking tensions...but of course if someone actually lays into him, he's going to play the victim yet again!

    No one laid into me and no victim here. But how would you know? There are a few knowledgable Canadians here, but you are not one of them.
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    May 06, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
    TrentGrad said
    musclmed said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidAh yes... Lay the groundwork for the theory of why Obama might lose in case Rove succeeds in again stealing an election through voter suppression and rigging voting machines. I say we find out which of those states have Diebold machines since they "won" Bush the 2004 election.

    Maybe cutting ACORN's wings will also help the GOP by preventing fraudulent registration and multiple voting. I know what you'll say. It wasn't done by ACORN, only its paid volunteers and employees. lol


    You're confusing very typical issues where VE volunteers end up with names like "Mickey Mouse", which are then tossed aside, with actual election fraud, which is what the GOP does, as well as illegal voter suppression tactics like telling people who've served their jail sentences that they still can't vote, which they've been caught doing in several states where they can.

    But if you're fine with their illegal, unconstitutional and racist tactics, it's just good to know.

    So indignant. The Democrats are all about voter fraud. Case in point. In Georgia, when a bill was introduced to require IDs for voting, the Democrats objected, saying the poor would be unable to get IDs, and would therefore be unfairly excluded from voting. The bill was amended to provide for teams of state employees to go to any house to provide IDs free of charge. The Democrats still objected. Face it, while there have been dirty tricks by both sides, the corruption within the Democratic Party regarding voter registration is well established.


    What Ken Blackwell did in Ohio in 2004 and what Kathleen Harris did in Florida in 2000 are well beyond the "vote early, vote often" tactics of Chicago Democrats decades ago. Please point to an example of voter suppress by Democrats or rigging electoral machines, or having the person designing the voting machines also be a major fundraiser for a Democrat.

    The whole ACORN thing is a smokescreen to remove attention from the actual election stealing by using white people's fear of black people as a cover.




    One at a time then

    Democrat Supporter Fined For 'Smokes For Votes'
    http://www.tobacco.org/news/65380.html

    Democrats support lax voter requirements. More requirements than renting a videotape. Which allows fraud.

    Isnt it puzzling how cities in decline will have more registered voters years later?

    In Cincinatti for example nearly every adult is registered. Hmmmmm..
    http://thebellwetherdaily.blogspot.com/2011/03/cincinnatis-population-total-plummets.html


    There are many more, such as the Minnesota , Wisconsin voter situation and the Black Panthers in Philadelphia?


    Your arguments are so hollow, they're laughable.

    Indeed, they're not even written correctly: after all, I think you meant to say "Less requirements than renting a videotape." Of course the right to vote is just that...A RIGHT. There is no such right applicable for renting a video tape.

    Surely even you can understand how "rights" work in this case!

    Of course, if you think about it, your whole point about cities in decline having more registered voters is also much ado about nothing. After all, if in fact there was a scenerio where 100% of citizens of those cities were registered in the first place, and the voter rolls grew while the population declined, you might have a point.

    But of course we all know that's not the case. A very significant portion of Americans in any given election are not registered to vote. The most logical explaination for the increase in registered voters in cities that are declining is that a greater percentage of the city's population is getting registered to vote.

    Isn't it funny that only Republicans seem to have a problem with that!

    I mean, for all your talk about ACORN, or about lax voter registration (once again, I can understand why you want rigid controls on who may vote in the cities: they're more likely to vote Democrat), you have absolutely no proof that Democrats have done anything wrong. Even the link in your story says that prosecutors did not have any proof that a crime had even been committed.

    2012 will come, and the votes will come...and whatever happens happens!

    Quit trying to deprive people of their rights to vote because you don't like the decisions they make when they exercise them!


    Although you like to take out a red pen hmmm....


    1) there are MANY instances of Democratic funny business with elections

    2) It seems reasonable to require ID to vote, as just about everything else we do we need to show ID.


    I cannot think of one activity where we do not need to establish identity to do function.
    Especially when Democrats pushed for Motor Voter ( mainly responsible for a good amount of recent discrepancies) whats the argument for not requiring the ID that registered you to vote, to also be required to vote?

    I never said I was interested in depriving anyone's rights. Where was that?

    I also never said I wanted rigid controls either.

    Instead you are arguing some regurgitated response that I want to deny inner city votes.

    And again, whats your fetish with your red pen for a online FORUM?

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    OneGeezer said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said...Karl Rove is the KING of political "dirty tricks" and has committed treason against this country, something you don't' seem to care about.

    "Treason" - That's really funny. I guess he needs to go to the Hague along with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, maybe all the Republican members of Congress, too? Wasn't that your talking point yesterday? RJ political discussions are really becoming amusing. While the serious discussion is becoming much scarcer, the comedy is really picking up. Thanks for doing your part. icon_biggrin.gif


    The disclosure of a CIA operative's identity is treason. Sure, Scooter took the fall but everyone knows Rove was behind the leak. He should in prison trading cigarettes for his life, not spewing propaganda on the pages of Rupert Murdoch's latest version of Pravda.


    That's pretty funny you race baiting dipshit, Richard Armitage has been trying to claim credit for it if you left wing ninnies like you would listen. No of course not, Armitage is a DEMOCRAT, no way he could do anything wrong.


    And I have a lovely bridge in Brooklyn that I'd like to sell you. It was a political hit which is Rove's specialty.


    Video sucks doesn't it sweetheart?