Gay Marriage

  • shiningstar

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    May 06, 2011 7:41 AM GMT
    I think marriages and specially gay marriage are not necessary as if two persons want to live with each other and love then there is no need of legally married they can live without that and if we consider this as religious obligation then i think there is not permission for gay marriage in any religion or is there any?
  • Profire

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    May 06, 2011 10:25 AM GMT
    A hetero-marriage would never suffer this indignity.
    If a woman rushed to the hospital with her husband (or vice versa) having a stroke, the hospital staff would never restrict their visitation.

    Sun SentinelJanice Langbehn and Lisa Marie Pond were headed on a cruise from Miami in February 2007 to celebrate their 18 years together when Pond suffered a massive stroke on board the ship before it left port. She was rushed to Jackson, where administrators refused to let Langbehn into Pond's room.

    A social worker told them they were in an "anti-gay city and state."

    Langbehn filed a federal lawsuit charging Jackson with negligence and "anti-gay animus."

    Pond, 39, was pronounced dead of a brain aneurysm about 18 hours after being admitted. Langbehn said she was allowed in to see her partner only for about five minutes as a priest gave Pond the last rites.

    "I never thought almost 20 years of love and family could be disregarded in an instant," Langbehn, a social worker from Lacey, Wash., said at the time.

    At a Miami news conference, Langbehn, broke down when she recalled the eight hours she and her three adopted children sat in a waiting room.

    "As I sat there wracking my brain, I would go outside and scream into the Miami night," she said. "I felt like a failure for not being there holding her hand."
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    May 06, 2011 10:51 AM GMT
    Hopefully one day I can get married. =D
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    May 06, 2011 10:54 AM GMT
    I hope someday that i will be able to share a bond strong enough with that one special person in my life to want to bind ourselves to eachother. Whether it be called partnership/marriage or whatever it would still be nice to have that.
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    May 06, 2011 12:51 PM GMT
    You're invited to read our profile, shiningstar. icon_wink.gif
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    May 06, 2011 1:09 PM GMT
    This is a really ignorant post, frankly. It's not all about love, and it's clearly not about religion. Civil marriage is about the thousands of legal rights and obligations that come with marriage, which absolutely cannot be replicated with private contracts. Some have been mentioned here. Here is a link with a partial list. I will post a better link if I can find one.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bene.htm

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    May 06, 2011 1:22 PM GMT
    OP's from Pakistan

    Many/most of the marriage rights here are non-existant there. For example, the legally-proscribed punishment for an adulteress is public stoning there.
  • Iakona

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    May 06, 2011 1:26 PM GMT
    Well I have been married for two years......we did it for many reasons.... love, having rights as a married couple, and just having the basic right to Marry. We both wanted to get married when we grew up and met the right person. He's not religious, and I am more spiritual then religious. I don't require a church to agree or not agree with what we are doing. We are doing it for ourselves.

    We just want a life just like everybody else. We also want kids in the future, and as a married couple, it will help with that as well.
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    May 06, 2011 1:38 PM GMT
    Iakona saidWell I have been married for two years......we did it for many reasons.... love, having rights as a married couple, and just having the basic right to Marry. We both wanted to get married when we grew up and met the right person. He's not religious, and I am more spiritual then religious. I don't require a church to agree or not agree with what we are doing. We are doing it for ourselves.

    We just want a life just like everybody else. We also want kids in the future, and as a married couple, it will help with that as well.



    Hey, I didn't know this! Congrats Iakona!!

    -Doug
  • Iakona

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    May 06, 2011 1:40 PM GMT
    Hey Thanks,

    We just celebrated our 2 year wedding anniversary!
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    May 06, 2011 1:48 PM GMT
    atl2atx85 saidOP's from Pakistan

    Many/most of the marriage rights here are non-existant there. For example, the legally-proscribed punishment for an adulteress is public stoning there.


    Guess I should have checked that first. Bad U.S.-centric poster. Lashing myself as I type.

    Sorry, OP.
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    May 06, 2011 1:59 PM GMT
    There are thousands of rights that mariage brings. The big rights that marriage provides are for parenting, medical protection, retirement and inheritance.

    Married people can easily adopt children and merge families with equal legal custody. If one parent dies, the surviving spouse and children are protected by government assistance and private insurance.

    In the event of medical crisis, the well spouse can legally act as the advocate and decision maker for the incapacitated spouse.

    Most medical insurance plans will cover a spouse, but will not cover a boyfriend. Other types of insurance, like auto, may have similar restrictions.

    During retirement, spouses can legally share in joint benefits (private pensions, government old age support), even after one of them dies. This right protects people in their old age. Gays who do not have this benefit suffer far worse poverty when they get old.

    When one spouse dies, if a will is not available, property and wealth passes to the survivor. If you are not married and your partner dies, his wealth passes not to you but to his family.

    But most important, where I live, my common-law spouse and I can buy a family fishing license, which is a lot cheaper than buying individual fishing licenses. icon_smile.gif
  • shiningstar

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    May 07, 2011 10:43 AM GMT
    Firstly thanks all of u for ur brief responses and sorry for my ignorant post.I already knew about economical benefits of marriage but not broad idea about social benefits that i have come to know now but i think the most important reason for marriage is mutual love that forces to stay forever with each other,i think so,but it may be wrong so on the basis of my raw thinking i thought marriage is a legal partnership and for meeting souls there is no need for this legality but i may be or i am wrong.
    Once again thanks for ur kind replies
  • hebrewman

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    May 07, 2011 10:55 AM GMT
    shiningstar saidFirstly thanks all of u for ur brief responses and sorry for my ignorant post.I already knew about economical benefits of marriage but not broad idea about social benefits that i have come to know now but i think the most important reason for marriage is mutual love that forces to stay forever with each other,i think so,but it may be wrong so on the basis of my raw thinking i thought marriage is a legal partnership and for meeting souls there is no need for this legality but i may be or i am wrong.
    Once again thanks for ur kind replies


    how could you NOT know this? i'm gobsmacked that you did not do any nation specific research before you started this thread.
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    May 07, 2011 1:49 PM GMT
    I am not sure I even WANT to get married... have a serious partner - yes. Get married ..... questionable :-)
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 07, 2011 2:16 PM GMT
    fulldelight saidI am not sure I even WANT to get married... have a serious partner - yes. Get married ..... questionable :-)



    I think this sentiment is key because I believe it is one of the reasons that getting gay marriage initiatives passed is an uphill climb. Many gay guys, myself included, have no real desire to ever get married. Even when I was in a relationship and head-over-heels in love, getting married was the farthest thing from my mind. I get that others want to make it legal and have a ceremony and all the rights and privileges that come with being married, but it's not something that I necessarily aspire to. That said, when you have a percentage of the gay community who don't really feel passionate about the "gay marriage" issue, it makes getting gay marriage passed even more difficult.
  • BeingThePhoen...

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    May 07, 2011 2:27 PM GMT
    I recently was invited, via e-mail, to attend a company "campout" with my spouse. I discovered that spouse, in their definition, referred to married partner and not domestic partner. Needless to say, I won't be going. I have never believed in marriage.

    IMHO, the leading cause of divorce is marriage...ba dum bum.

    But seriously, regardless of how I feel about marriage, I will get married to my "domestic partner" of 11 years, whenever I am allowed to by law. Not because I believe in marriage (gay or straight), but because people in general will not take our relationships seriously, if we don't force the matter.
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    May 07, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
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    fulldelight saidI am not sure I even WANT to get married... have a serious partner - yes. Get married ..... questionable :-)



    I think this sentiment is key because I believe it is one of the reasons that getting gay marriage initiatives passed is an uphill climb. Many gay guys, myself included, have no real desire to ever get married. Even when I was in a relationship and head-over-heels in love, getting married was the farthest thing from my mind. I get that others want to make it legal and have a ceremony and all the rights and privileges that come with being married, but it's not something that I necessarily aspire to. That said, when you have a percentage of the gay community who don't really feel passionate about the "gay marriage" issue, it makes getting gay marriage passed even more difficult.


    A very small percentage of people (gay or straight) feel the way you do.

    For most people, their wedding is one of the happiest moments of their lives. You find somebody where you say to each other, "You are more special to me than anybody else in the world..and I'm willing to make a legal commitment to that." Why do you think families spend tens of thousands of dollars on a wedding, and relatives and friends arrive in from all over the world to celebrate?

    Even if they choose not to get married, legalizing SSM says to people: homosexual love is just as valid as heterosexual love. But apparently, some gays have low self esteem and don't believe that.

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    May 07, 2011 2:53 PM GMT
    But I'm going to ask such a question may be whether the guy from Russia to marry a guy from America??
  • shiningstar

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    May 09, 2011 11:15 AM GMT
    hebrewman said
    shiningstar saidFirstly thanks all of u for ur brief responses and sorry for my ignorant post.I already knew about economical benefits of marriage but not broad idea about social benefits that i have come to know now but i think the most important reason for marriage is mutual love that forces to stay forever with each other,i think so,but it may be wrong so on the basis of my raw thinking i thought marriage is a legal partnership and for meeting souls there is no need for this legality but i may be or i am wrong.
    Once again thanks for ur kind replies


    how could you NOT know this? i'm gobsmacked that you did not do any nation specific research before you started this thread.


    I have posted this thread just as a general topic and nation,not specific one,i know a lot of things but i think i cant explain my thoughts in a better way
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    May 09, 2011 6:25 PM GMT
    I WANNA GET MARRIED....NOOW
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    May 09, 2011 6:28 PM GMT
    Oh god lord!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    May 09, 2011 6:33 PM GMT
    Buckyou saidI WANNA GET MARRIED....NOOW



    You're so sweet, but you know, I think we had the right idea. We committed to one another with personal vows on the beach...then 20 years later got legally married. Personally, I think too many jump into marriage too fast, evidenced by the huge divorce rates. I don't think others should wait 20 years, but should wait a considerable length of time until their relationship has matured to the point where the institution of marriage and its depth is clearly understood.
    In the meantime, live together, love together, live up to those personal vows made to each other when you were new.


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  • Timbales

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    May 09, 2011 6:35 PM GMT
    This morning, waking up from my gay sleep and eating my gay breakfast, I was thinking about gay marriage while taking my gay shower and washing my gay hair.
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    May 09, 2011 7:00 PM GMT
    Timbales saidThis morning, waking up from my gay sleep and eating my gay breakfast, I was thinking about gay marriage while taking my gay shower and washing my gay hair.


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    My gay throat hurts. I think I'm catching a gay cold. Better go and have a hot gay tea and get into my gay bed.
    Have a nice gay day Timbales and everyone else icon_biggrin.gif

    Good gay bye!