30 Year Anniversary of AIDS

  • metta

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    May 06, 2011 7:55 AM GMT
    30 Year Anniversary of AIDS

    (click on the play button on the following web page to listen)
    http://www.feastoffun.com/podcast/2011/04/29/fof-1370-30-years-of-aids/

    1 in 4 gay men in the US have HIV (25%)

    1 in 3 gay latino men in the US have HIV (33%)

    1 in 2 gay black men in the US have HIV (50%) - a community that have higher rates of condom use, lower rates of multiple partners, lower rates of risk behavior.
    (see 11:36)

    High concentration of HIV in an area increases risk, even when there is more use of condoms. (Social network...higher rates in their circle)

    1.2 million Americans living with hiv. 95% of people with HIV do not transmit HIV to another person. Only 5% do. Most of the 5% are people who do not know their status.

    HIV Medications run around $18,000-20,000 per year per person with HIV.

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    May 06, 2011 12:27 PM GMT
    Those are some ridiculously depressing statistics.
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    May 06, 2011 12:30 PM GMT
    Thanks for posting this. A lot of those statistics are surprising. They either go against conventional wisdom or don't add up. I'll listen to the program so hopefully it will clear it up. Thanks again.
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    May 06, 2011 2:22 PM GMT
    miamimasseur saidThanks for posting this. A lot of those statistics are surprising. They either go against conventional wisdom or don't add up. I'll listen to the program so hopefully it will clear it up. Thanks again.


    Those Statistics are correct.

    Missing from the above list are the the two highest at-risk populations: Intravenous drug users (IDUs) and WOMEN.

    A growing percentage of HIV positive people are women who have contracted the virus from their male partner.


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    AIDSPEI


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    May 06, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
    what to send as an anniversary gift, flowers, chocolates? hmmmmm

    oh and 98% of statistics are made up on the spot!

    and furthermore, it is interesting that the hetro figures are never displayed with such pride as the Homo ones
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    May 06, 2011 2:55 PM GMT
    holyrood saidwhat to send as an anniversary gift, flowers, chocolates? hmmmmm

    oh and 98% of statistics are made up on the spot!

    and furthermore, it is interesting that the hetro figures are never displayed with such pride as the Homo ones


    So true.

    I addressed a very upscale group this week at a fancy fundraising dinner for a Volunteer Service worker heading off to a two year posting in Cameroon working on HIV programmes and making services more accessible in Cameroon.
    With all groups, Speakers from AIDSPEI lead off by stating the local statistics and identifying the at-risk groups: I like to watch the audience faces carefully as I list them (in order of least to most risk:

    4. Men who have sex with men (and everyone nods knowingly )

    3. IDUs (everyone nods smugly)
    2. Our Aboriginal population (eveyone nods knowingly and smugly)
    1. "But the most at risk population with the most new cases annually is (and here Iwe use the actual number in our region ) : is women"
    and half the faces look up sharply.

    No one looks smug anymore. They generally do not know that.

    Then we address transmission and how people are most likely to become infected :
    1. heterosexual intimacy
    2. Intravenous drug use
    3, homosexual intimacy

    Suddenly no one's chair seems comfortable any more.

    It is at that point that I disclose my own status and emphasize that new infections come mostly through people who do not know their status.


    We explain the difference between HIV and AIDS and how in Canada people no longer die of AIDS; they live long healthy lives with a chronic blood infection, with a life comparable to living with Diabetes.
    For this group this played perfectly into what the young volunteer worker spoke about as her project: creating programmes to address the specific needs of women in Africa ( who have much less access to diagnosis and services for a myriad reasons from cultural to rape as a weapon of war.




    I didnot know what she was going to talk about. There is just a universality to HIV that I felt pretty confident whatever I was qualified to speak about in terms of our local situation would relate in some way to what she would be doing.

    (I brought with me bundles of the literature we direct at women, teens and IDUs.)

    With each bundle there was a couple of brochures for the gay community to, but as the last one. Th Men who have sex with men are our smallest demographic of clients at AIDSPEI (and that is the case with other AIDS Service Organizations in Atlantic Canada. I do not know the numbers outside myregion - but uor Executive Director does.)

    Nor am I one of the Eduicators ; I'm the guy that gets sent to do media interviews and address government committees and d the TRubber Chicken dinners.

    LOL

    (this Tastes of Africa dinner, thoughm was way beyond a rubber chicken affair.
    The food was spectacular! ( Charlottetown is the location of the Atlantic Culinary Institute).
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    May 06, 2011 2:58 PM GMT
    :-)
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    May 06, 2011 3:03 PM GMT
    I listened to the show and I still don't understand those numbers. Admittedly, math and statistics are my weak areas but how is it possible that 25% of gay white men, 33% of gay latin men and 50% of gay black men have HIV yet only 5% of people with HIV are spreading it around? That would have to be a VERY sexually active 5%.
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    May 06, 2011 3:12 PM GMT
    Before attacking the stats, which can be manipulated any way you want, take a moment to remember being gay was drastically different in the 1980's. Wasn't hip and trendy at all like it seems to be now. Reagan wasn't the only politician who couldn't even say the term AIDS until 1987 or 1988. This was a time people were afraid you could catch it from a drinking fountain or using the bathroom after someone with the virus.

    Just take a moment to realize even though the fight is far from over, it's come miles and miles since 1981.
  • hawkeye7

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    May 06, 2011 6:46 PM GMT
    30 years........... wow .......
    I may make a few people mad by saying this..... and I would give anything , pay any price to have back everyone of our brothers. The loss of each of them is a price we should never have had too pay.

    AIDS taught our community something, It taught us to stand up and fight. It taught us that we could no longer live in the shadows and could no longer sit at the back of the bus. It taught us our lives are a gift and that we should cherish that gift by living an open and proud life.

    I learned this many years ago from an amazing militant lesbian who was a founding member of Amfar. She believed this with all her heart and made it her lifes work to make sure no AIDS death would be for nothing.
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    May 07, 2011 3:20 AM GMT
    Sometimes I get nostalgic and remember the good old days pre-AIDS--


    going to the bars was fun and not a worry in the world except to get up for work in the morning. No friends had died and being gay back then was really a magical time-




    I miss my friends who have died from this horror and I miss the good times!icon_biggrin.gif
    and Sylvester was the best!
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    May 07, 2011 3:27 AM GMT
    The AIDS Quilt should be assembled again to signify the 30 years icon_idea.gif
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    May 07, 2011 6:57 AM GMT
    Celebrating over 26 years of living with HIV here.

    The statistics do not have to be depressing if you choose to focus on living...no matter what your status may be.

    My message to those who may have recently become HIV+? Have hope. HIV does not have to be a death sentence.

    My message to those who are not HIV+? Have hope. You don't have to become HIV+ if you're smart about your sexual behavior.
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    May 07, 2011 1:03 PM GMT
    5ebastian said
    So .... before someone gets upset and defensive over my question (which isnt meant to defame or insult ANYONE).. why is it that most people's status here is HIV negative?


    Just because you put your status as HIV negative doesn't mean you are. There are just considerably few of us who are comfortable being openly HIV+. That's a different type of coming out and there's a lot of stigma.

    And anyway, it's not always everyone's business.
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    May 07, 2011 4:19 PM GMT
    5ebastian said



    <3

    BTW, those stats do seem extremely high and somewhat suspect. I'd love to see how they were complied exactly- my suspicion is that data may have been mostly or wholy collected from certain overly saturated sexual health clinics which would taint the outcome of the stats significantly...






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    May 07, 2011 4:22 PM GMT
    GwgTrunks saidThose are some ridiculously depressing statistics.


    My thoughts 100.
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    May 07, 2011 8:31 PM GMT
    5ebastian said


    How I remember a time when we wheer all looked upon ad treated as if we all had AIDS during the Gay Plague Era.
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    May 08, 2011 3:12 AM GMT
    5ebastian said

    so why do you broadcast it over the internet?


    Personally, I think it is a very healthy thing to do for the person that is HIV+ and society as a whole. People should not have to feel like they should hide it. Making people feel that way creates a continuation of a stigma that causes more problems. I don't think that people should be proud or feel shame for having HIV any more than someone having cancer or any other condition...in other words...they shouldn't. I hope that people feel that they have a responsibility to make responsible decisions. And from the statistics, it looks like almost all of the people with HIV are doing just that.

    FYI: most gay people in the World are not white. If most people in the World are not white, then it would make sense that most gay people are also not white. Also, rates of infection vary widely, not only by country, but also can very widely by cities. Larger cities commonly have higher rates than smaller cities.
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    May 08, 2011 7:17 AM GMT
    5ebastian said
    shortguybeau said
    5ebastian said
    So .... before someone gets upset and defensive over my question (which isnt meant to defame or insult ANYONE).. why is it that most people's status here is HIV negative?


    Just because you put your status as HIV negative doesn't mean you are. There are just considerably few of us who are comfortable being openly HIV+. That's a different type of coming out and there's a lot of stigma.

    And anyway, it's not always everyone's business.


    so why do you broadcast it over the internet?


    I'm not speaking for myself when I say it's not easy to say you are positive. I'm speaking for the guys who aren't comfortable with it. I'm just fine with saying I'm HIV+, but that took time. I get why it's hard for some people.

    If people didn't react wish such negativity, more people would be openly positive, but that's not the case.
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    May 08, 2011 11:17 AM GMT
    Whats unsettling about all this is after 30 yrs the medicines have come so far to save lives but the stigma hasnt changed.

    Due to this the younger generation that views someone with hiv now is usually a picture of health. A vibrant inshape masculine male is the ideal pic we see of a gay man with hiv, not the skin & bones riddled with KS that we saw in the 80s. Because of this the newer generation views it as almost a non issue. "even if i get it, so what? Its just 1 pill a day & im fine" attitude.

    Some younger guys also figure thats its just a matter of time before they get it so they seek it out to get it over with. Ive had guys ask me to give them "the gift" before and it shocks the shit out of me. I never have or will.

    With this type of scenario going on hiv is here to stay im afraid. Its a matter of living with the consequences. Who knows what the next 30 yrs will bring.
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    May 09, 2011 1:52 PM GMT
    redbull saidWhats unsettling about all this is after 30 yrs the medicines have come so far to save lives but the stigma hasnt changed.

    Due to this the younger generation that views someone with hiv now is usually a picture of health. A vibrant inshape masculine male is the ideal pic we see of a gay man with hiv, not the skin & bones riddled with KS thst we saw in the 80s. Because of this the newer generation views it as almost a non issue. "even if i get it, so what? Its just 1 pill a day & im fine" attitude.

    Some younger guys figure also figure thats its just a matter of time before they get it so they seek it out to get it over with. Ive had guys ask me to give them "the gift" before and it shocks the shit out of me. I never have or will.

    With this type of scenario going on hiv is here to stay im afraid. Its a matter of living with the consequences. Who knows what the next 30 yrs will bring.

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    May 09, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    This is why a monogamous relationship is the only way to go if you want to have the greatest peace of mind possible, albeit never perfect.
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    May 09, 2011 5:24 PM GMT
    5ebastian said
    Assuming 10% of the world population is gay ...

    BTW since there are fewer white people in the world... wouldnt that IN FACT support my "theory" ? (not that i truly believe it but since we are speaking in generalities) that most gay people are white.


    Where did you get this "10%" from? That's a massive assumption, especially because "gay" isn't a clear operational definition. And how do you figure that a smaller population would have more of a "rarer" population?

    Also, you are only perceiving that most "gay" people are white, presumably because the "gay" people you encounter who are openly and visibly queer happen to be white. You're completely ignoring the fact that many queers in an infinite amount of societal/cultural contexts are restricted from being openly queer (to society or themselves). The people you see on this website is hardly a good representation of the US population, for reasons that should be extremely obvious. "Gay", or any type of queerness, isn't exclusively white.

    You are grossly simplifying the statistics and the issue.
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    May 10, 2011 9:35 AM GMT
    Yeah, simplification tends to invalidate just about everything you say.

    And nope, I simply asked you a question. You claimed that white people, being a global "minority", have the majority of "gay" people (a relatively rarer population). I just don't understand where your random ".25" came from, or why you believe this forum is a proper test sample for any country/the world, or why you assume that gay men don't biologically produce children, or again, where you got the 10% of "gay" from. You obviously lack the ability to critically approach these "statistics" and your own misguided perceptions about "gay" populations. You don't have any basic understanding of statistics.

    You don't even need statistics to realize that "gays" are just as present and numerous in colored communities as well, if you would get your head out of your ass. It's people like you that perpetuate the invisibility of queer people of color and marginalize their existence.

    On a side note, thanks metta8 and Upper_Canadian for your posts. Very interesting and informative reads.. people of color and women definitely need to be talked about more concerning this issue.
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    May 10, 2011 10:22 PM GMT
    Aw, you mad [: Kay, here we go.

    The Census collects data on those who actually respond. This completely ignores significant populations of undocumented people who live in the U.S. (who aren't just latin@/chican@, BTW.)

    Also, the proportion of white people isn't spread evenly throughout the U.S. Los Angeles has a lower proportion of white people than say, a farm town in the Midwest. I'd also add that those who respond to surveys as "gay" are disproportionately higher in big cities. How many men do you think will publicly identify as gay in a conservative Midwestern town? Or are sexually active, even if they privately identify as gay? The country wide Census isn't relevant or usable in this case.

    At this point, I may as well also add that you completely misinterpreted what I meant by gay men having children. I didn't think I would have to clarify, but I meant gay men having children with WOMEN - which isn't as uncommon as you might think, especially considering the social context of say, a conservative Midwestern town.

    The Kinsey Reports. While they definitely started crucial conversations about human sexuality in general, their methodology was completely flawed, ESPECIALLY sampling. How representative is a middle class, white, college educated man? Or a prisoner, or a prostitute? These types of subjects were grossly overrepresented in these studies.

    That also brings up why these forums are a terrible test sample for gay populations. The site is a combination of special interest (fitness) and social networking. Not all gays are into fitness, and not all are interested in (or have access to) online networking.

    I guess you aren't pulling numbers out of your own ass, but numbers that you blindly accept and fail to critically think about. But hey, I'm not really saying you're right or wrong, you could be either. I'm just calling you out on your flawed reasoning and your arrogance, which I'm amused to see blows up in anger [: