Defend bin laden....Some left wing democrats

  • Goofeyman

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    May 07, 2011 1:49 AM GMT

    LIB-TALKER MALLOY: WHEN WILL NAVY SEALS TAKE OUT GEORGE W. BUSH?

    Lib-talker Malloy even had the hallow thought that bin laden hadn't murdered those people in the twin towers...but George w. Bush ?! And HE should be picked off?!

    What has the left wing become? To intensely hate some people for no reason and turn right around and worship the ground of a community organizer that used the well-thought out plans of bush to get laden (I'm glad laden is gone) and then take all the credit for something he never would have been able to think up, nor did he want to. (just look at the transcripts over the last 8 years where Obama, Reid, pelosi, code pink, wanted bush tried for war crimes against humanity??)

    Although I cannot stand Moore, I would not have made such threatening comments.
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    May 07, 2011 3:39 AM GMT
    Where did you get that Bush Planned this operation that finally got Bin Laden ? Bush passed up getting him at Tora Bora, because he wanted to divert attention to Iraq, This was planned and the details worked out over the last 8 months to a year, Bush had nothing to do with this and neither did his reverting back to the dark ages tactics of waterboarding and other torture tactics for extracting what interrogators wanted to hear.

    As for when the seals are going to go after Bush, that's way further left than most Liberals are that's for sure. But now that you mention it, Didn't Bush's unnecessarry Iraq war kill somewhere in the 300,000 range? So Bush kills his hundred thousands and Bin Laden just three thousand, He's small potato's compared to Bush, isn't he !! After Bush's actions the US lost a lot of bragging rights as a peace loving Democracy, that's for sure.
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    May 07, 2011 3:51 AM GMT
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    LIB-TALKER MALLOY: WHEN WILL NAVY SEALS TAKE OUT GEORGE W. BUSH?

    Lib-talker Malloy even had the hallow thought that bin laden hadn't murdered those people in the twin towers...but George w. Bush ?! And HE should be picked off?!

    What has the left wing become? To intensely hate some people for no reason and turn right around and worship the ground of a community organizer that used the well-thought out plans of bush to get laden (I'm glad laden is gone) and then take all the credit for something he never would have been able to think up, nor did he want to. (just look at the transcripts over the last 8 years where Obama, Reid, pelosi, code pink, wanted bush tried for war crimes against humanity??)

    Although I cannot stand Moore, I would not have made such threatening comments.


    This kind of rhetoric is spoken by some to the left and some to the right. To single out this incident and act as it is indicative of all of those on the left is nonsense.

    There was a recent comment by a Republican presidential candidate who said we should hang Obama, "metaphorically." Should I use his comment and ask the question "what has the right wing become?"
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    May 07, 2011 4:34 AM GMT
    Someone missed his Thorazine again...
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 07, 2011 5:48 AM GMT
    realifedad said Bush passed up getting him at Tora Bora, because he wanted to divert attention to Iraq.



    Oh gawd! PUH-lease stop with your ridiculous conspiracy theories. No one "passed up" getting Osama Bin Laden in Tora Bora. Catching Bin Laden has been a serious priority for 2 decades. To belittle the many people who have worked tirelessly towards this goal for years is an insult to them.
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    May 07, 2011 7:47 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said Bush passed up getting him at Tora Bora, because he wanted to divert attention to Iraq.



    Oh gawd! PUH-lease stop with your ridiculous conspiracy theories. No one "passed up" getting Osama Bin Laden in Tora Bora. Catching Bin Laden has been a serious priority for 2 decades. To belittle the many people who have worked tirelessly towards this goal for years is an insult to them.

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    LOL !! don't get technical on me !!! It isn't a conspiracy theory that Bush took the attention off the primary goal of getting Bin Laden who struck the towers. It is known that Bin Laden was at Tora Bora, then Bush decided to take the troops to Iraq rather than concentrate on getting Bin Laden. As for insults, its not an insult from me to toward the troops, it was a failure on Bushes part to keep the Priority on Bin Laden, Not on Iraq.

    and don't come back at me with we couldn't have foung Bin Laden either, Had Bush kept his attention on him instead of switching gears to Iraq our men would have had him within the first year after 9-11

    and that isn't a conspiracy theory, that is exactly what happened.
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    May 07, 2011 1:43 PM GMT
    Bush did get

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed Plus many many others

    "The 9/11 Commission Report alleges that he was "the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks." He is also alleged to have confessed to a role in many of the most significant terrorist plots over the last twenty years, including the World Trade Center 1993 bombings, the Operation Bojinka plot, an aborted 2002 attack on the U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles, the Bali nightclub bombings, the failed bombing of American Airlines Flight 63, the Millennium Plot, and the murder of Daniel Pearl."

    And you're complaining?

    You really got to get over your hate for anything and everything that isn't ardently leftist. Had Bush / Cheney not put in place what they did with the DHS it’s unlikely that Obama would have gotten anything.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    May 07, 2011 2:05 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said Bush passed up getting him at Tora Bora, because he wanted to divert attention to Iraq.



    Oh gawd! PUH-lease stop with your ridiculous conspiracy theories. No one "passed up" getting Osama Bin Laden in Tora Bora. Catching Bin Laden has been a serious priority for 2 decades. To belittle the many people who have worked tirelessly towards this goal for years is an insult to them.

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    LOL !! don't get technical on me !!! It isn't a conspiracy theory that Bush took the attention off the primary goal of getting Bin Laden who struck the towers. It is known that Bin Laden was at Tora Bora, then Bush decided to take the troops to Iraq rather than concentrate on getting Bin Laden. As for insults, its not an insult from me to toward the troops, it was a failure on Bushes part to keep the Priority on Bin Laden, Not on Iraq.

    and don't come back at me with we couldn't have foung Bin Laden either, Had Bush kept his attention on him instead of switching gears to Iraq our men would have had him within the first year after 9-11

    and that isn't a conspiracy theory, that is exactly what happened.






    Sorry, RealLifeDad, but unless you were sitting in the situation room, you don't know shit. You may think you know based on any number of propaganda-driven misinformation and conspiracy theorists, but the reality is none of us really know anything. I think it's taking a very huge leap of faith (or lack thereof) to suggest that Bush didn't have his team working diligently at catching Bin Laden -- was it their sole focus? Hell no. It certainly wasn't Obama's sole focus either. President's do have to multi-task and prioritize.
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    May 07, 2011 2:21 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said Bush passed up getting him at Tora Bora, because he wanted to divert attention to Iraq.



    Oh gawd! PUH-lease stop with your ridiculous conspiracy theories. No one "passed up" getting Osama Bin Laden in Tora Bora. Catching Bin Laden has been a serious priority for 2 decades. To belittle the many people who have worked tirelessly towards this goal for years is an insult to them.

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    LOL !! don't get technical on me !!! It isn't a conspiracy theory that Bush took the attention off the primary goal of getting Bin Laden who struck the towers. It is known that Bin Laden was at Tora Bora, then Bush decided to take the troops to Iraq rather than concentrate on getting Bin Laden. As for insults, its not an insult from me to toward the troops, it was a failure on Bushes part to keep the Priority on Bin Laden, Not on Iraq.

    and don't come back at me with we couldn't have foung Bin Laden either, Had Bush kept his attention on him instead of switching gears to Iraq our men would have had him within the first year after 9-11

    and that isn't a conspiracy theory, that is exactly what happened.






    Sorry, RealLifeDad, but unless you were sitting in the situation room, you don't know shit. You may think you know based on any number of propaganda-driven misinformation and conspiracy theorists, but the reality is none of us really know anything. I think it's taking a very huge leap of faith (or lack thereof) to suggest that Bush didn't have his team working diligently at catching Bin Laden -- was it their sole focus? Hell no. It certainly wasn't Obama's sole focus either. President's do have to multi-task and prioritize.


    Bush repeatedly stated in public that he wasn't concerned about finding bin Laden, and had the CIA dismantle the bin Laden "desk", which was focused on finding him. So what reallifedad is saying is true.
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    May 07, 2011 2:29 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said Bush passed up getting him at Tora Bora, because he wanted to divert attention to Iraq.



    Oh gawd! PUH-lease stop with your ridiculous conspiracy theories. No one "passed up" getting Osama Bin Laden in Tora Bora. Catching Bin Laden has been a serious priority for 2 decades. To belittle the many people who have worked tirelessly towards this goal for years is an insult to them.

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    LOL !! don't get technical on me !!! It isn't a conspiracy theory that Bush took the attention off the primary goal of getting Bin Laden who struck the towers. It is known that Bin Laden was at Tora Bora, then Bush decided to take the troops to Iraq rather than concentrate on getting Bin Laden. As for insults, its not an insult from me to toward the troops, it was a failure on Bushes part to keep the Priority on Bin Laden, Not on Iraq.

    and don't come back at me with we couldn't have foung Bin Laden either, Had Bush kept his attention on him instead of switching gears to Iraq our men would have had him within the first year after 9-11

    and that isn't a conspiracy theory, that is exactly what happened.






    Sorry, RealLifeDad, but unless you were sitting in the situation room, you don't know shit. You may think you know based on any number of propaganda-driven misinformation and conspiracy theorists, but the reality is none of us really know anything. I think it's taking a very huge leap of faith (or lack thereof) to suggest that Bush didn't have his team working diligently at catching Bin Laden -- was it their sole focus? Hell no. It certainly wasn't Obama's sole focus either. President's do have to multi-task and prioritize.


    Bush repeatedly stated in public that he wasn't concerned about finding bin Laden, and had the CIA dismantle the bin Laden "desk", which was focused on finding him. So what reallifedad is saying is true.


    So sweetheart, a little left wing spin there? Take things a bit out of context?

    "The realignment reflects a view that Al Qaeda is no longer as hierarchical as it once was, intelligence officials said, and a growing concern about Qaeda-inspired groups that have begun carrying out attacks independent of Mr. bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

    Agency officials said that tracking Mr. bin Laden and his deputies remained a high priority, and that the decision to disband the unit was not a sign that the effort had slackened. Instead, the officials said, it reflects a belief that the agency can better deal with high-level threats by focusing on regional trends rather than on specific organizations or individuals.

    "The efforts to find Osama bin Laden are as strong as ever," said Jennifer Millerwise Dyck, a C.I.A. spokeswoman. "This is an agile agency, and the decision was made to ensure greater reach and focus.""

    and this was from your 'right-wing' NY Times
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    May 07, 2011 2:30 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    realifedad said Bush passed up getting him at Tora Bora, because he wanted to divert attention to Iraq.



    Oh gawd! PUH-lease stop with your ridiculous conspiracy theories. No one "passed up" getting Osama Bin Laden in Tora Bora. Catching Bin Laden has been a serious priority for 2 decades. To belittle the many people who have worked tirelessly towards this goal for years is an insult to them.




    Be genuine for a minute (if that's possible.) Had Obama ruled those 8 long years and Bush were in office now, you'd be saying what a week leader Obama was and how it took a strong Republican to catch Bin Laden. You and I both know it.
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    May 07, 2011 2:37 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidThis is a truly terrifying statement.
    Scruffypup saidHad Obama ruled those 8 long years...


    "Ruled?"

    I guess when you want the Federal government to get more and more involved in your life, that's what it actually is.

    Glad we cleared that up.



    I used the word "ruled" for a reason you idiot. Recognizing sarcasm isn't one of your strong points is it? I used the term "ruled" because that's exactly what King Dubya did.....he RULED his sheep.
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    May 07, 2011 2:45 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said

    Be genuine for a minute (if that's possible.) Had Obama ruled those 8 long years and Bush were in office now, you'd be saying what a week leader Obama was and how it took a strong Republican to catch Bin Laden. You and I both know it.



    That is absolutely not true. My mind doesn't even think that way. If it did, wouldn't have I been saying something more on the line of "If Obama is so great, why hasn't he caught Bin Laden yet" in the 1st year of his presidency...or maybe after the 2nd year? Anyone with an open mind and a thinking brain would understand that catching Bin Laden was certainly a priority in not only the Bush and Obama administrations, but also the Clinton administration. It was simply not an easy task. It took years of trying, and failing -- and a little luck -- to make it happen. Obviously, Osama Bin Laden couldn't hide forever. He was going to be caught eventually.
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    May 07, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidThis is a truly terrifying statement.
    Scruffypup saidHad Obama ruled those 8 long years...


    "Ruled?"

    I guess when you want the Federal government to get more and more involved in your life, that's what it actually is.

    Glad we cleared that up.



    I used the word "ruled" for a reason you idiot. Recognizing sarcasm isn't one of your strong points is it? I used the term "ruled" because that's exactly what King Dubya did.....he RULED his sheep.


    Beats what you did with your sheep.
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    May 07, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
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    Bush repeatedly stated in public that he wasn't concerned about finding bin Laden, and had the CIA dismantle the bin Laden "desk", which was focused on finding him. So what reallifedad is saying is true.



    Nope, sorry, you're taking your own interpretation of Bush's words and turning them to mean something that simply was not the case. Bush saying publicly that he wasn't concerned with catching Bin Laden does not necessarily mean that behind the scenes he wasn't actively involved in any and all efforts to catch him. It boggles the mind that an intelligent person such as yourself would honestly believe that Bush wasn't in some way pursuing and/or trying to track Bin Laden. Do you honestly think the U.S. roll's out our every move in front of the American people for all the world (not to mention the terrorists) to see? Surely you are not that naive.
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    May 07, 2011 2:54 PM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.htmlC.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden
    By MARK MAZZETTI
    Published: July 4, 2006
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    WASHINGTON, July 3 — The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.

    The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its ana.lysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said.

    The decision is a milestone for the agency, which formed the unit before Osama bin Laden became a household name and bolstered its ranks after the Sept. 11 attacks, when President Bush pledged to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice "dead or alive."
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    May 07, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    Bush repeatedly stated in public that he wasn't concerned about finding bin Laden, and had the CIA dismantle the bin Laden "desk", which was focused on finding him. So what reallifedad is saying is true.



    Nope, sorry, you're taking your own interpretation of Bush's words and turning them to mean something that simply was not the case. Bush saying publicly that he wasn't concerned with catching Bin Laden does not necessarily mean that behind the scenes he wasn't actively involved in any and all efforts to catch him. It boggles the mind that an intelligent person such as yourself would honestly believe that Bush wasn't in some way pursuing and/or trying to track Bin Laden. Do you honestly think the U.S. roll's out our every move in front of the American people for all the world (not to mention the terrorists) to see? Surely you are not that naive.


    Sure, it was a bluff to make Bin Laden get a little bit comfortable and maybe let his guard down just enough so that we could get him.

    And Obama has figured out, although it took him two years to do so, that being nice and conciliatory to these folks doesn’t work. The only thing that they understand is power and he took it to them.
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    May 07, 2011 3:02 PM GMT
    it would take an "extremely" extreme personality, be he/she right or left wing orientated, to think up and believe this isolated act of stupidity that the OP describes..


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    May 07, 2011 3:09 PM GMT
    And I believe when given the chance Obama will also order the killing of Gaddafi. I think Obama relishes his new role as Commander and Chief.
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    May 07, 2011 3:13 PM GMT
    OneGeezer saidAnd I believe when given the chance Obama will also order the killing of Gaddafi. I think Obama relishes his new role as Commander and Chief.



    bin laden, gaddafi....both Bad Guys who have ordered the murder of many other innocent people....they should get what they give.
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    May 07, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    OneGeezer saidAnd I believe when given the chance Obama will also order the killing of Gaddafi. I think Obama relishes his new role as Commander and Chief.



    I for one have gained a new found respect for our President in the past week. I think he has handled this whole thing ---- from green-lighting the mission in the first place (at great risk to his Presidency if it were to fail), and the burial of Bin Laden at sea, to his calling President Bush with the news before announcing it to the American people, and his refusal to release the photos. I hope he does relish his role as "Commander in Chief" and that he makes the though decisions when they need to be made -- even when at times they may not be popular with the American people. I respected President Bush for the same reasons -- he didn't follow the polls, he wasn't trying to win a popularity contest, and he made decisions that were tough and not popular. That is what a true leader does.
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    OneGeezer saidAnd I believe when given the chance Obama will also order the killing of Gaddafi. I think Obama relishes his new role as Commander and Chief.



    I for one have gained a new found respect for our President in the past week. I think he has handled this whole thing ---- from green-lighting the mission in the first place (at great risk to his Presidency if it were to fail), and the burial of Bin Laden at sea, to his calling President Bush with the news before announcing it to the American people, and his refusal to release the photos. I hope he does relish his role as "Commander in Chief" and that he makes the though decisions when they need to be made -- even when at times they may not be popular with the American people. I respected President Bush for the same reasons -- he didn't follow the polls, he wasn't trying to win a popularity contest, and he made decisions that were tough and not popular. That is what a true leader does.


    +1.

    I absolutely agree. Obama tried the other way for the first two years of his administration per his campaign promises, but found that it didn't work. Seems like he’s found a new tack that does work and that’s fine by me. If he’s accused that he’s becoming much more like the Bush / Cheney administration, again fine by me.
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    May 07, 2011 4:00 PM GMT
    and then Assad.

    I know I’ll be a heretic for stating this around RJ, but it’s pretty well known how much I enjoy doing so.

    None of us can predicted how all of this will all turn out in the Middle East, but it’s starting to appear that the neocons – first Scoop Jackson, JFK and Reagan with the demise of the USSR. Then a couple decades later, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Dick Cheney and John Bolton plus a few others were correct when they predicted and advocated much of what we’re seeing unfold over the last few months, starting in Yemen and Egypt. Especially Cheney, Perle and Wolfowitz predicted that if we ‘install’ what becomes a successful democracy in Iraq that within years the movement will spread throughout the Middle East based on the premise that as a basic human right, everyone desires person liberty.

    Notice that I didn't include George W Bush in the above list of neocons. I think W was initially a paleoliberal, but was pushed to the neocon position by 9-11 and Dick Cheney plus to a lessor extent by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz.

    Will they be truly democratic governments or an Islamic theocracies thereby making the situation worse than what it is now? Are these people even capable of self governing? It’s going to be an interesting couple of years.

    The final chapters in this book have not yet been written, but we’re watching it all unfold now.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/6656683/the-neoconservatives-were-right.thtml
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    Bush repeatedly stated in public that he wasn't concerned about finding bin Laden, and had the CIA dismantle the bin Laden "desk", which was focused on finding him. So what reallifedad is saying is true.



    Nope, sorry, you're taking your own interpretation of Bush's words and turning them to mean something that simply was not the case. Bush saying publicly that he wasn't concerned with catching Bin Laden does not necessarily mean that behind the scenes he wasn't actively involved in any and all efforts to catch him. It boggles the mind that an intelligent person such as yourself would honestly believe that Bush wasn't in some way pursuing and/or trying to track Bin Laden. Do you honestly think the U.S. roll's out our every move in front of the American people for all the world (not to mention the terrorists) to see? Surely you are not that naive.


    It's not an interpretation to say that Bush had the CIA shut down it's bin Laden desk. That's a matter of historical record. As is the 7 years wherein our troops where in Afghanistan and 5 years in Iraq during which bin Laden remained free. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 07, 2011 4:28 PM GMT
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    OneGeezer said If he’s accused that he’s becoming much more like the Bush / Cheney administration, again fine by me.



    That isn't likely.

    Liberal hens don't peck at their own.


    Actually - and you know this - the Left has been very hard on Obama for continuing Gitmo and other unconstitutional policies of the Bush administration. icon_rolleyes.gif