Volkswagen to produce 260-mpg plug-in XL1

  • metta

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    May 08, 2011 8:07 AM GMT
    Volkswagen to produce 260-mpg plug-in XL1

    http://green.autoblog.com/2011/01/27/volkswagen-produce-260-mpg-plug-in-xl1/
  • metta

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    May 08, 2011 8:22 AM GMT
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    May 08, 2011 12:04 PM GMT
    Quote: "This might become another future-car we're promised, but yet, never get.."/Quote


    Shoulda, coulda, woulda.



    How about "Done." ?


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    May 08, 2011 1:55 PM GMT
    And the Chevy Volt is available now and it works. I drive so much in Columbus that I'm going with something a bit more frugal next time, which comes up in late summer.

    I get around 19 -19.5 around town out of a G8 GT which is a 6 liter V8. I dropped my car off for a routine service late afternoon a couple of weeks ago and they gave me as a service loaner a 4 banger 6 speed automatic Malibu, which was fine other than it netted me about 22 mpg going the same places at the same speeds. If I'm going to put up with something other than a V8, I want a want a far bigger difference than 3.5 mpg. I wish the turbo diesel Cruze was here now, but since it isn’t, maybe the focus or even the Volt. My daily running around is just over 40 miles so theoretically I could be one of those folks who seldom use any gas.

    I am surprised that in real world driving conditions that the GM V8s do so well versus a 4 cylinder 1/3 the displacement in a car 350 pounds lighter. The Gen - V DI should do a bit better with more power out of slightly smaller displacement. Long live the V8.
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    May 08, 2011 2:22 PM GMT
    I personally would love to own an electric plug in car, but they keep designing these things with old fashioned lithium ions rather than newer lithium schemes that charge much faster (however, how do you pump in that much "juice" fast enough into them? The limiting factor is really there are no Mega-Watt outlets on the easily accessible market...), last longer, lasts for more charge cycles, safer (less likely to catch fire, lithium fires DO NOT go out), at the cost of some energy density.

    But in general, that is because the cost for the newer battery schemes is prohibitive, so I don't blame them. The technology is still relatively new. Unfortunately, the rest of us will just have to sit back and watch while the car developers try to push production cost down while working out all the engineering problems and refining efficiency.

    As for these plug ins, I am waiting for a 100% electric long range vehicle, which is a long ways away. Everything on the drawing board is for short range electric or short-to-midrange "plugin hybrids," which makes sense. The Chevy Volt, when I heard they were putting in an ICE into the damn thing, I thought: great, now we just doubled to tripled the number of moving parts (Yay, lots more maintenance charges and parts your dealer can charge you for!), introduced gasoline, and I have to push all that crap around in the car reducing efficiency. Alas, automotive industry still diehards for gasoline and ICE's, but as I said, its an understandable stopgap move on their part.

    Slightly off-topic, whatever happened to the lithium-titanate technology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-titanate_battery? Hard to find much hard information on it, just lots of conjecture. The Titanate battery seems good for a car application, but the problem as I said before is: yes, it can charge a car in 90 seconds... but the amounts of energy a car requires to push that crap around is enormous, in order to fully charge a battery you would need theoretically a charging device that provides energy on the order of Megawattes. You engineers out there know what I'm talking about. I would not want to touch whatever cable that is designed to care that much condensed electrical flow.
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    May 08, 2011 3:45 PM GMT
    Lead-acid ain't all that bad, either.

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    May 08, 2011 5:57 PM GMT
    Two questions:

    1) How expensive is this?
    2) Will it fit my tall ass?
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    May 08, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    From what info I can find, an electric car needs 15 kw hours of charging to drive about 43 miles. So...where is all this electricity to come from?

    Someone told me the power companies will use gasoline etc fired plants to generate electricity, which would seem to take us right back where we started from, lol!
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    May 08, 2011 6:21 PM GMT
    One of the problems with all the whirly tax-credit machines that are polluting the landscape, is that they make a lot of power when nobody wants it, so they get shut down during peak productivity months. Theoretically, if there were millions of plug-in cars sitting in garages, they could soak up that power and store it for later. If there were some way to distribute the power efficiently. If the cars were all parked and plugged in at the right time.

    There are also proposed schemes where the power flow could be two-way, so when too many people in LA flip on the air conditioning, a few million car batteries would share the load and prevent a brown-out. Just hope you didn't want to drive to the coast that day.
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    May 08, 2011 11:30 PM GMT
    I think VW is gonna miss the boat on this one. I've seen a handful of Nissan Leaf cars on the road already. Toyota still hasn't released their plug-in Prius. And I think Chevy is stalling on the Volt, by offering limited availability. They're just waiting for gas prices to drop again, then ramp up production on their more profitable SUVs and trucks.
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    May 09, 2011 2:33 AM GMT
    pfft , fiat 500 Abarth SC, 45mpg 1.4L supercharged and tuned to 170hp. Done.
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    May 09, 2011 2:43 AM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite saidQuote: "This might become another future-car we're promised, but yet, never get.."/Quote


    Shoulda, coulda, woulda.



    How about "Done." ?


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    http://cdn.fiskerautomotive.com/video/tech/phev.ogv



    Damn this is a beautiful car!! How much is it?
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    May 09, 2011 8:23 PM GMT
    Approx. $85,000 but it's not a "one-long-note little Putt-Putt Car"...4 doors, 4 passengers, zero to 60 in 5.8 secs, 403 HP, total range 300 miles.

    Compare that to a Nissan Leaf/ Toyota Prius.