GayPatriot: On covering gays in the conservative movement

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    May 08, 2011 3:24 PM GMT
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    His word choice suggests that gay Republicans have adopted a confrontational tone with the GOP. That may have been try in Log Cabin’s early years, but today, we’re not so much demanding acceptance as finding a welcome.

    Yeah, there still remain social conservatives loath to include us in conservative conclaves, but, by and large, we’ve found a welcome. Conservatives today are more concerned with the size of government than they are with the private lives of individuals — and pretty much have been for the past forty years, only the media do seem to dwell on the presence of religious conservatives in the movement as if said indviduals define it, rather than represent one aspect of it.
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    [quote][cite]riddler78 said[/cite]http://www.gaypatriot.net/2011/05/06/on-covering-gays-in-the-conservative-movement/
    His word choice suggests that gay Republicans have adopted a confrontational tone with the GOP. That may have been try in Log Cabin’s early years, but today, we’re not so much demanding acceptance as finding a welcome.

    Yeah, there still remain social conservatives loath to include us in conservative conclaves, but, by and large, we’ve found a welcome. Conservatives today are more concerned with the size of government than they are with the private lives of individuals — and pretty much have been for the past forty years, only the media do seem to dwell on the presence of religious conservatives in the movement as if said indviduals define it, rather than represent one aspect of it.
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    "That one (religious fanatic) aspect of it" should be a strong enough warning that gays are not welcome in the Repub Party which has swayed toward the far right for the last 30 years, hasn't there been enough actions by the TBaggers and actual damage brought to us by the Far Rightt to wake these people up ?

    Yah Riddler, keep dreaming !!! The mainstream Republican just love and respect gays. hang on to that wishfull thinking !!!
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    May 08, 2011 8:21 PM GMT
    realifedad said[quote][cite]riddler78 said[/cite]http://www.gaypatriot.net/2011/05/06/on-covering-gays-in-the-conservative-movement/
    His word choice suggests that gay Republicans have adopted a confrontational tone with the GOP. That may have been try in Log Cabin’s early years, but today, we’re not so much demanding acceptance as finding a welcome.

    Yeah, there still remain social conservatives loath to include us in conservative conclaves, but, by and large, we’ve found a welcome. Conservatives today are more concerned with the size of government than they are with the private lives of individuals — and pretty much have been for the past forty years, only the media do seem to dwell on the presence of religious conservatives in the movement as if said indviduals define it, rather than represent one aspect of it.
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    "That one (religious fanatic) aspect of it" should be a strong enough warning that gays are not welcome in the Repub Party which has swayed toward the far right for the last 30 years, hasn't there been enough actions by the TBaggers and actual damage brought to us by the Far Rightt to wake these people up ?

    Yah Riddler, keep dreaming !!! The mainstream Republican just love and respect gays. hang on to that wishfull thinking !!!


    Something you and others should consider. There are many who disagree with you on liberal / socialist views.

    Non left leaning gays are much sooner accepted as gays in liberatarian/conservatives circles than we are accepted as liberatarian/conservatives in gay circles.

    If you want evidence of that just look at few years of forum posts full of vitriol and hateful language. Filled with lines such as "self hater" etc etc.

    So while some would have a libertarian/conservative gay buy into the whole platform of any party that is non-left leaning to criticize them.
    Its much different wouldnt you say for Democratic gays.
    But when the democratic left aligns with the same "religous" in there party ( Black and Hispanic churches in California who voted for Prop Eight) you do not see the same analysis.
    *Except for a few honest activists.


    The democratic party is no bastian of pro-gay dogma. It gives lip service to it when its convenient. But when the Democrats are in power it does the same old thing "NOTHING".


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    May 08, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
    There isn't one thing wrong with having your own opinion thats in sink with Libertarian and conservative Ideas, I have some of those too.

    The problem is that the far right christian (in some ways similar to the 'talaban'), firmly believe that everyone including their country must do as they believe, or they and our country will not be blessed, so they lean toward forcing it on everyone else to every degree possible. Listen to the radio and TV evangelical preachers who daily say these things and even give examples of disasters and tragedies and the like, often relating it to gay rights granted by the Government. These of this mindset represent a large portion of the voting public, far more than the gays can ever muster.

    Don't fool yourself into thinking that Gays have anywhere near the power and influence in the republican party as the Christian Fundamentalists and TBaggers. Look at these groups and how when combined they have influenced elections and brought about some of the most restrictive legislative limits on Womens reproductive rights and gay rights, taking us backwards by decades..

    What pisses off liberal leaning gays is that when you vote for republicans, your voting to approve the christian far right's legislative goals, because you can bet that this group helped put that republican you voted for in office. Do you really think your going to stop their momentum when your only one gay in a room of a hundred Christian fundamentalists, NOPE !! The christians will way outflank you and any influence can possibly have, so how in the world and why in the world, would you vote for someone you know damn well has some other groups interests in mind that will keep them in office. At best Gays are little more than tolerated among the republicans.

    I would think that if you want to influence a party in a more conservative direction that you would do it among the Democrats who already are way more likely to vote for Gay rights. that makes sense doesn't it ? More sense than being in a party that's against you having any rights.
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    May 08, 2011 10:53 PM GMT
    Sorry ..... actions speak louder than words

    When the republican party
    and I mean ALL OF THEM

    Use us .... meaning the gay population as their political whipping boys during every election cycle
    There can be one and only one conclusion

    YOU AS A GAY MAN will always be hated by them
    because it's politically advantageous for them

    and as for smaller Government?
    How many antiabortion bills did the House pass this session?
    and how many jobs have they made in the process

    The MINUTE the republican party passes something that helps the gay cause in anyway?
    Let me know because then I'll know it'll be the first time we'll be able to have Pork Buffalo wings icon_cool.gif
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    May 08, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
    GQjock saidSorry ..... actions speak louder than words

    When the republican party
    and I mean ALL OF THEM

    Use us .... meaning the gay population as their political whipping boys during every election cycle
    There can be one and only one conclusion

    YOU AS A GAY MAN will always be hated by them
    because it's politically advantageous for them

    and as for smaller Government?
    How many antiabortion bills did the House pass this session?
    and how many jobs have they made in the process

    The MINUTE the republican party passes something that helps the gay cause in anyway?
    Let me know because then I'll know it'll be the first time we'll be able to have Pork Buffalo wings icon_cool.gif


    thank you for continuing to make my point.
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    May 08, 2011 11:47 PM GMT
    I dont understand how any gay or lesbian person could possibly be a Conservative. The Republicans care nothing about the gay community. The Democrats on the other hand have fought for us. Its because of the Dems, that we have gay marriage in many states, its because of the Dems that DADT was repealed, its because of the Dems that many hate crime laws have been passed. The Republicans flat out hate gays and want to harm them.
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    May 08, 2011 11:47 PM GMT
    musclmed saidSomething you and others should consider. There are many who disagree with you on liberal / socialist views.

    Non left leaning gays are much sooner accepted as gays in liberatarian/conservatives circles than we are accepted as liberatarian/conservatives in gay circles.

    If you want evidence of that just look at few years of forum posts full of vitriol and hateful language. Filled with lines such as "self hater" etc etc.

    So while some would have a libertarian/conservative gay buy into the whole platform of any party that is non-left leaning to criticize them.
    Its much different wouldnt you say for Democratic gays.
    But when the democratic left aligns with the same "religous" in there party ( Black and Hispanic churches in California who voted for Prop Eight) you do not see the same analysis.
    *Except for a few honest activists.


    The democratic party is no bastian of pro-gay dogma. It gives lip service to it when its convenient. But when the Democrats are in power it does the same old thing "NOTHING".


    You're, as usual, completely wrong. You must have a rather limited experience with the gay community. I know plenty of gay people who are fiscally conservative in their politics. I'm friends with them, work with them and have dated them. They are not shunned.

    GOProud and Log Cabin are treated with hostility because of their desire to be part of a party both historically and in present day ACTIVELY works to deny our civil rights and dismantle some we have won recognition for. There are plenty of more fiscally conservative Democrats. They're just not insane ideologues. And the Republican Party hasn't actually be a fiscally responsible party since Nixon.

    And stop blaming blacks and hispanics for the loss of Prop 8. The data is well-established that they didn't cost us the ballot fight, rather suburban women turned against us thanks to the other sides spending spree and a weak No on 8 campaign.

    Finally, while the Democratic Party - particularly at the national level - is far from perfect on our issues, it was a Democrat (Clinton) who first convened a meeting with our leaders. And it was Obama how fought for passage of the Matthew Shepard Act and repeal of DADT. Obama also did a number of other smaller pro-gay policy changes.

    And at the state level, nearly all of our legislative progress has come from Democratic legislatures and governors. In fact, please name me one Republican governor or legislature that has enacted pro-gay legislation.
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    May 09, 2011 2:10 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    musclmed saidSomething you and others should consider. There are many who disagree with you on liberal / socialist views.

    Non left leaning gays are much sooner accepted as gays in liberatarian/conservatives circles than we are accepted as liberatarian/conservatives in gay circles.

    If you want evidence of that just look at few years of forum posts full of vitriol and hateful language. Filled with lines such as "self hater" etc etc.

    So while some would have a libertarian/conservative gay buy into the whole platform of any party that is non-left leaning to criticize them.
    Its much different wouldnt you say for Democratic gays.
    But when the democratic left aligns with the same "religous" in there party ( Black and Hispanic churches in California who voted for Prop Eight) you do not see the same analysis.
    *Except for a few honest activists.


    The democratic party is no bastian of pro-gay dogma. It gives lip service to it when its convenient. But when the Democrats are in power it does the same old thing "NOTHING".


    You're, as usual, completely wrong. You must have a rather limited experience with the gay community. I know plenty of gay people who are fiscally conservative in their politics. I'm friends with them, work with them and have dated them. They are not shunned.

    GOProud and Log Cabin are treated with hostility because of their desire to be part of a party both historically and in present day ACTIVELY works to deny our civil rights and dismantle some we have won recognition for. There are plenty of more fiscally conservative Democrats. They're just not insane ideologues. And the Republican Party hasn't actually be a fiscally responsible party since Nixon.

    And stop blaming blacks and hispanics for the loss of Prop 8. The data is well-established that they didn't cost us the ballot fight, rather suburban women turned against us thanks to the other sides spending spree and a weak No on 8 campaign.

    Finally, while the Democratic Party - particularly at the national level - is far from perfect on our issues, it was a Democrat (Clinton) who first convened a meeting with our leaders. And it was Obama how fought for passage of the Matthew Shepard Act and repeal of DADT. Obama also did a number of other smaller pro-gay policy changes.

    And at the state level, nearly all of our legislative progress has come from Democratic legislatures and governors. In fact, please name me one Republican governor or legislature that has enacted pro-gay legislation.


    Well again you just make assumptions about myself and my experience.

    All I would say is I totally understand why someone would have a left of center philosophy on alot of things. But you and other's here rarely stop at just a discussion of ideas.

    I know plenty of gay people who are fiscally conservative in their politics. I'm friends with them, work with them and have dated them. They are not shunned.


    Well so do I . Everyone's experience is different . But I would say, I have been involved in at least 1 gay charity on the board, and I am currently involved in a HIV research organization at a integral level at a IRB level.
    Most of the gay conservatives I know never talk about it openly how they feel. Almost as if it is a second closet door.

    So when you say "They are not shunned." Isn't it ironic that a situation where someone say there being shunned, your dismissal is "I know a few gay conservatives".
    You obviously lack the point of reference to comment on that more than a outsiders assumption.

    The truth of the matter for some there are ideals that are more important than a gay rights issue. Especially when the Democratic party has been tacitly complicit in continuing the same old situation. Which for most gay conservatives magnifies the rift.

    Regarding Prop 8, since I currently live in California, the matter is a hot topic here. Clearly all is not 100% well between local gay activists and the Democratic party.
    http://gay.americablog.com/2009/11/dont-ask-dont-give.html

    Last since you put yourself as such a "Barometer" on the gay community.

    I use the hateful and unwarranted personal attacks from you Christian73 as exhibit A.

    In just about every thread you will attack someone who disagrees with you, usually using some derogatory language ( Dummy/Stupid/Idiot), with some personal epithet ( latest is suggesting some posters are on ant-psychotics).

    Your answer begins "You're, as usual, completely wrong".....
    How can you know if a person feels shunned or intimidated? There are blogs and articles, even books on the topic. These individual gays are all wrong, and you are all right Christian73.

    I would say using RJ as a microcosm many non-democrats gays would say they have been discriminated against more by Democrats /liberals than by Republicans( in a discussion of ideals). And in fact, liberals for whatever reason cannot see how blatantly they shun ideas of anyone who thinks outside liberalism.
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    May 09, 2011 2:13 AM GMT
    "I would say using RJ as a microcosm.."
    This is a huge and massive mistake.

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    May 09, 2011 2:14 AM GMT
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    "Pro-gay: Because they pay taxes and arent a financial burden" -Fiscal Cons
    "Unless of course we have to give them the same privileges as us straight folks.. I dont want them getting a break for their joint married filings! I dont want to pay for their gay 'friends' healthcare premiums on our policy!"

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    May 09, 2011 2:41 AM GMT
    musclmed saidWell again you just make assumptions about myself and my experience.

    All I would say is I totally understand why someone would have a left of center philosophy on alot of things. But you and other's here rarely stop at just a discussion of ideas.

    I know plenty of gay people who are fiscally conservative in their politics. I'm friends with them, work with them and have dated them. They are not shunned.


    Well so do I . Everyone's experience is different . But I would say, I have been involved in at least 1 gay charity on the board, and I am currently involved in a HIV research organization at a integral level at a IRB level.
    Most of the gay conservatives I know never talk about it openly how they feel. Almost as if it is a second closet door.

    So when you say "They are not shunned." Isn't it ironic that a situation where someone say there being shunned, your dismissal is "I know a few gay conservatives".
    You obviously lack the point of reference to comment on that more than a outsiders assumption.

    The truth of the matter for some there are ideals that are more important than a gay rights issue. Especially when the Democratic party has been tacitly complicit in continuing the same old situation. Which for most gay conservatives magnifies the rift.

    Regarding Prop 8, since I currently live in California, the matter is a hot topic here. Clearly all is not 100% well between local gay activists and the Democratic party.
    http://gay.americablog.com/2009/11/dont-ask-dont-give.html

    Last since you put yourself as such a "Barometer" on the gay community.

    I use the hateful and unwarranted personal attacks from you Christian73 as exhibit A.

    In just about every thread you will attack someone who disagrees with you, usually using some derogatory language ( Dummy/Stupid/Idiot), with some personal epithet ( latest is suggesting some posters are on ant-psychotics).

    Your answer begins "You're, as usual, completely wrong".....
    How can you know if a person feels shunned or intimidated? There are blogs and articles, even books on the topic. These individual gays are all wrong, and you are all right Christian73.

    I would say using RJ as a microcosm many non-democrats gays would say they have been discriminated against more by Democrats /liberals than by Republicans( in a discussion of ideals). And in fact, liberals for whatever reason cannot see how blatantly they shun ideas of anyone who thinks outside liberalism.


    Let's clear up a few things. I don't say people who are fiscally conservative are stupid or dumb. There are some on here who are very intelligent and discuss their ideas substantively. You are not one of them.

    And you're not one of them because you repeat falsehoods that have been disproven repeatedly. Like you're attempts to pin the loss of Prop 8 on blacks and Hispanics. I worked in the gay rights movement at the time and had a very inside view of why we lost. The campaign which was the most expensive in our movement's history, was poorly conceived and disastrously executed. We could have won and lost because our "leaders" we're a bunch of scaredy cats.

    What is being shunned, if anything at all, is an attachment to the Republican Party, which - as I have already said - is historically and actively - right this very minute - trying to take your rights away. You want lower taxes (despite our paying the lowest rates since the Gilded Age), then it's fine for you to advocate for that. I think it's bullshit and greed, but that's me. But when you get in bed with and vote for people who will take away your rights to appease their base, you're acting against yourself and against the rest of us.

    And, if you truly can look at the historical record and see no difference between the parties, than you're also a complete dumbass.

    That's YOUR problem, not mine. I'm just calling it as a I see it.
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    May 09, 2011 3:41 AM GMT
    Christian73 said... And you're not one of them because you repeat falsehoods that have been disproven repeatedly. Like you're attempts to pin the loss of Prop 8 on blacks and Hispanics. I worked in the gay rights movement at the time and had a very inside view of why we lost. The campaign which was the most expensive in our movement's history, was poorly conceived and disastrously executed. We could have won and lost because our "leaders" we're a bunch of scaredy cats....

    The black and Hispanic vote was a factor, but there were other factors, as well. The following are opinions, but they have a reasonable basis and indicate the various factors. They are also consistent with the polls I remember.

    voter backlash against this very body of judges, who were interpreted as overstepping their bounds as interpretors and coming down as actual legislators, something the branch of government was never intended to be.
    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1190303/why_did_california_proposition_8_pass.html?cat=17

    Around 70 per cent of the African-American voters who overwhelmingly backed Mr Obama also approved Proposition 8, helping pass the controversial ballot measure...
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/3388430/Barack-Obama-may-have-helped-California-Proposition-8-gay-marriage-ban-pass.html

    Of course there are other reasons the proposition passed -- the typically Catholic Hispanic base and the ads that told parents their kids would be taught gay marriage in school, for starters
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/meghan-peters/how-did-proposition-8-pas_b_143662.html

    We find the most support for the fourth hypothesis and conclude that Proposition 8 passed because most Californians oppose same-sex marriage.
    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1451709
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    May 09, 2011 4:10 AM GMT
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    musclmed saidWell again you just make assumptions about myself and my experience.


    What is being shunned, if anything at all, is an attachment to the Republican Party, which - as I have already said - is historically and actively - right this very minute - trying to take your rights away. You want lower taxes (despite our paying the lowest rates since the Gilded Age), then it's fine for you to advocate for that. I think it's bullshit and greed, but that's me. But when you get in bed with and vote for people who will take away your rights to appease their base, you're acting against yourself and against the rest of us.

    And, if you truly can look at the historical record and see no difference between the parties, than you're also a complete dumbass.

    That's YOUR problem, not mine. I'm just calling it as a I see it.


    A broken record, EVERY non liberal on RJ has been called a "dumbass", idiot or whatever expletive happens to cross your mind.

    Simply voting democratic is unlikely to yield me a thing. And is most likely to make sure my life is more controlled, and less free.


    As for prop 8 and the democratic party,I disagree.
    http://www.advocate.com/printArticle.aspx?id=104940

    I am a Libertarian that USED to vote Democratic.

    And your talk of the "gilded age" and "getting in bed" is the biggest collection of contrived horseshit and proves my point. Your a Democrat with a BIG D. Anyone who would ever disagree or depart from that is a danger to you as you say it or gay rights.
    That is garbage.

    But there is little to no evidence that gays voting democratic as a block has helped at all. In fact there is plenty of evidence as documented in that advocate article it hurts the cause. The fact that I would vote in a Republican primary may make a hell of a lot more difference than you re-electing the same Democrat in congress . Clearly the Democrats are NEVER anytime soon going to get the House/Senate and the Presidency again, they had a comfy majority and still left DOMA untouched.

    You make it sound personal to me. But just about anyone who would ever disagree with you (Christian73)gets your vitriol. Its ever (non-liberal) without exception.

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    May 09, 2011 4:23 AM GMT
    as Chrissy writes

    "The campaign which was the most expensive in our movement's history, was poorly conceived and disastrously executed'

    And then you wonder why we 'right-wingers' don't want you lefties running anything.
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    May 09, 2011 4:24 AM GMT
    "A broken record, EVERY non liberal on RJ has been called a "dumbass", idiot or whatever explicative happens to cross your mind."

    and a racist.
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    May 09, 2011 4:32 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    A broken record, EVERY non liberal on RJ has been called a "dumbass", idiot or whatever explicative happens to cross your mind.


    Ya mean 'expletive'?
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    May 09, 2011 4:56 AM GMT
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    musclmed said
    A broken record, EVERY non liberal on RJ has been called a "dumbass", idiot or whatever explicative happens to cross your mind.


    Ya mean 'expletive'?


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    May 09, 2011 5:15 AM GMT
    The hate and vitriol of the fascist left, courtesy of folks just like Chrissy and to a slightly lesser extent, RealLifeMom is the reason that I voted YES on prop 8. Thankfully, these folks can’t procreate. As I’ve mentioned a number of times, I lived in SoCal for 30 years and experienced unbelievably intolerant behavior from the left, from being spit on at a Dan Qualyle book signing to having the police called on me because I had the audacity to wear a Bush / Cheney t- shirt to the gym back in the 2004 election cycle. It’s late and I don’t have the time to detail what I’ve experienced, but there have been hundreds of incidents.

    Look, I’ve been involved in the Republican / conservative movement for decades and would argue that I do a lot more good for your rights by sitting on the same side of the table with conservatives and having civil discussions than you left wing nitwits ever do with your hate filled insults and vitriol. My mom still teases me that I’ve been an active republican since age 10 when I wore Goldwater / Miller buttons to school in the 4th grade so I’ve been at this for a very long time.

    I’ve also been involved in the NRA since the early 70s and have gone to the national convention starting in the mid 80s with my bf. I throw as much in the face of the right as I do the left looking for intolerance to challenge or looking for a good fight. Funny thing is that I’m with these ‘right wing’ folks often and I can’t seem to find all these right wing religious fanatics haters that you seem to be able to find while not being there. Mighty strange! Now I did have a minor incident with some lady during the Dole / Kemp campaign of 96 who said what I did was an abomination.

    Funny though, I had a shit load of republican lapel buttons from 15 or so campaigns, and some really rare ones, all over my jacket and on the top of my tie was the rainbow triangle, which almost forced people to ask what that was. This was during the earlier years of the ‘rainbow’ meaning what it means today so it gave me the opportunity to tell folks when asked that yes, I’m a fag. Got some pretty funny reactions to what I did, but they were mostly positive. Even the lady that did express some animus toward gay invited me to sit at the same table with her and husband. We ended up having a very pleasant discussion and didn’t agree with each other on everything, but we were both cordial and pleasant. She then invited me to a dinner at the Nixon library with one of the speakers being Ralph Reed of the Christian Coalition. I of course took my bf for the event, who was just petrified at what I was about to do and this lady became my fag-hag for the night. She ended becoming quite a supporter. I somehow ended up at the same table as Ralph Reed and of course I had my little rainbow triangle on my tie and he knew what it was. We had a nice conversation and agreed to disagree on certain topics, primary, I said we are born this way and he thought it was more a choice of lifestyles.

    That’s it for the intolerance I’ve experienced from the right-wing over the 45 years that I’ve been a really active conservative. Never once have I been called a dumbass, racist, self loathing or any of the other vitriol that we see hurled from the left wing ninnies on almost every post around RJ. I affect more ‘change of heart’ among republicans that Chrissy could ever hope to. Chrissy, you are your own worse enemy and I don’t blame the right if they hated your guts for the way you behave toward them. However, maybe we are a bit more refined and mature in that we don’t hate – we just disagree.

    Ann sums it up quite well.



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    May 09, 2011 5:17 AM GMT
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    A broken record, EVERY non liberal on RJ has been called a "dumbass", idiot or whatever explicative happens to cross your mind.


    Ya mean 'expletive'?


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    May 09, 2011 5:22 AM GMT
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    musclmed said
    A broken record, EVERY non liberal on RJ has been called a "dumbass", idiot or whatever explicative happens to cross your mind.


    Ya mean 'expletive'?


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    May 09, 2011 6:16 AM GMT
    OneGeezer said....I lived in SoCal for 30 years and experienced unbelievably intolerant behavior from the left, from being spit on at a Dan Qualyle book signing to having the police called on me because I had the audacity to wear a Bush / Cheney t- shirt to the gym back in the 2004 election cycle. It’s late and I don’t have the time to detail what I’ve experienced, but there have been hundreds of incidents....

    ....Even the lady that did express some animus toward gay invited me to sit at the same table with her and husband. We ended up having a very pleasant discussion and didn’t agree with each other on everything, but we were both cordial and pleasant. She then invited me to a dinner at the Nixon library with one of the speakers being Ralph Reed of the Christian Coalition. I of course took my bf for the event, who was just petrified at what I was about to do and this lady became my fag-hag for the night. She ended becoming quite a supporter. I somehow ended up at the same table as Ralph Reed and of course I had my little rainbow triangle on my tie and he knew what it was. We had a nice conversation and agreed to disagree on certain topics, primary, I said we are born this way and he thought it was more a choice of lifestyles.


    OneGeezer...I don't advocate anybody spitting on you, but your train of logic is delusional. And, showing up in a gay gym with a Bush Cheney t-shirt is like the k-mart version of Fred Phelps style theatrics.

    Here is a clue...jerks like Ralph Reed and "The Nice Republican Lady" love having you at their table because it gives them license to continue their war of lies and slander against the GLBT community. In the unlikely event they ever had a pang of guilt over what they do...I'm sure they just they'll remind themselves of your smiling (browned nose) face to make them realize it's just a "difference of opinion."

    In fact, when people (rightfully) accuse them of being homophobic bigots, and these motherfuckers defend themselves by stating they have gay friends...you're the friend they're talking about!

    You're like the Jewish Nazi who complains that other Jews spit on him, while his nice Nazi confederates are true gentlemen, who politely agree to disagree on such **trivial** matters as one's civil rights.
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    May 09, 2011 6:31 AM GMT
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    OneGeezer said....I lived in SoCal for 30 years and experienced unbelievably intolerant behavior from the left, from being spit on at a Dan Qualyle book signing to having the police called on me because I had the audacity to wear a Bush / Cheney t- shirt to the gym back in the 2004 election cycle. It’s late and I don’t have the time to detail what I’ve experienced, but there have been hundreds of incidents....

    ....Even the lady that did express some animus toward gay invited me to sit at the same table with her and husband. We ended up having a very pleasant discussion and didn’t agree with each other on everything, but we were both cordial and pleasant. She then invited me to a dinner at the Nixon library with one of the speakers being Ralph Reed of the Christian Coalition. I of course took my bf for the event, who was just petrified at what I was about to do and this lady became my fag-hag for the night. She ended becoming quite a supporter. I somehow ended up at the same table as Ralph Reed and of course I had my little rainbow triangle on my tie and he knew what it was. We had a nice conversation and agreed to disagree on certain topics, primary, I said we are born this way and he thought it was more a choice of lifestyles.


    OneGeezer...I don't advocate anybody spitting on you, but your train of logic is delusional. And, showing up in a gay gym with a Bush Cheney t-shirt is like the k-mart version of Fred Phelps style theatrics.

    Here is a clue...jerks like Ralph Reed and "The Nice Republican Lady" love having you at their table because it gives them license to continue their war of lies and slander against the GLBT community. In the unlikely event they ever had a pang of guilt over what they do...I'm sure they just they'll remind themselves of your smiling (browned nose) face to make them realize it's just a "difference of opinion."

    In fact, when people (rightfully) accuse them of being homophobic bigots, and these motherfuckers defend themselves by stating they have gay friends...you're the friend they're talking about!

    You're like the Jewish Nazi who complains that other Jews spit on him, while his nice Nazi confederates are true gentlemen, who politely agree to disagree on such **trivial** matters as one's civil rights.



    Here we go again with the self-loathing bullshit. And who the hell said anything about a GAY gym? Show me where I said that. True, they had a number of gay members, but it was mostly entertainment business, intolerant left. And even if it was a gay gym, so what? I can't think for myself solely because of orientation? And I'm delusional because I disagree with the tactics of the left? More of the same shit from you lefties.

    Plus it looks like the leftes have some issues to be dealt with too.

    http://gay.americablog.com/2009/11/dont-ask-dont-give.html
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    May 09, 2011 6:55 AM GMT
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    OneGeezer...I don't advocate anybody spitting on you, but your train of logic is delusional. And, showing up in a gay gym with a Bush Cheney t-shirt is like a really bad k-mart version of Fred Phelps style theatrics.

    Here is a clue...jerks like Ralph Reed and "The Nice Republican Lady" love having you at their table because it gives them license to continue their war of lies and slander against the GLBT community. In the unlikely event they ever had a pang of guilt over what they do...I'm sure they just they'll remind themselves of your smiling (browned nose) face to make them realize our civil rights are just a "difference of opinion" while theirs never questioned.

    In fact, when people (rightfully) accuse them of being homophobic bigots, and these motherfuckers defend themselves by stating they have gay friends...so, I guess you're the friend they're talking about! So, please OG...next time you attend a republican event...do us all a favor and leave your gay lapel pin at home.

    By the way...in 2010, 97.5% of Republican Congressman voted to KEEP DADT. So, don't pat yourself on the back, because you do more harm than good...as I've never seen Ralph Reed ever pass on a chance to attack gays.

    You're like the Jewish Nazi who complains that other Jews spit on him, while his nice Nazi confederates are true gentlemen, who politely agree to disagree on such **trivial** matters as one's civil rights.




    It's precisely this sort of closed-minded hypocrisy coming from some, but thankfully not all, gays that makes my blood boil. The utter gall to suggest that it is somehow hurting the gay cause if some of us lean more conservative. NEWSFLASH: There are plenty of conservative leaning gay Republicans and/ or Independents out there, and we are not all running around brown nosing any Right Winger who will invite us to sit at their table. Hardly. There are many different ways to win friends and influence people, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to grasp the fact that ramming the gay agenda down people's throats is not necessarily the most effective approach. This was the mistake that GOProud made at CPAC this year. They were far too aggressive, as if "The Gay Agenda" should be front and center on everyone's mind just because it is on theirs. Actually, the clip OG posted from Ann Coulter was spot on -- she made the point perfectly. Some of you are just too blinded by your own gayness to get it.
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    Here we go again with the self-loathing bullshit. And who the hell said anything about a GAY gym? Show me where I said that. True, they had a number of gay members, but it was mostly entertainment business, intolerant left. And even if it was a gay gym, so what? I can't think for myself solely because of orientation. And I'm delusional because I disagree with the tactics of the left? More of the same shit from you lefties.


    OneGeezer...Couple of things...

    First, I don't support anybody spitting on anybody. I'd be the first to defend your rights to rabble rouse in both camps. But you're incorrect in stating that spitting or other forms of intolerance are "tactics' of only left wingers. I'm sure you know this too, in spite of your anecdotal cases.

    Second, to take your experience as a Gay Republican in both camps and compare both groups on an equal level is delusional (if you don't like the word delusional, then just say there is no basis of reality on which to equate the two groups.) Republicans have repeatedly slandered and been very successful at blocking civil rights to gays on so many levels. If it weren't for republicans, we'd have civil rights as they do in other industrialized countries...and a corresponding lower level of gay hate crimes too. Meanwhile, gays have done nothing to Christians or social conservatives.

    To put it on another level...if somebody stole your classic car and got away with it...I'm sure you'd want to kick their ass. Well, the republicans have stolen our marriage rights and much more...and would steal even more if they could. So when you show up someplace representing republicans....there are going to be people at that party who want to kick your ass.