musclmed saidSomething you and others should consider. There are many who disagree with you on liberal / socialist views.
Non left leaning gays are much sooner accepted as gays in liberatarian/conservatives circles than we are accepted as liberatarian/conservatives in gay circles.
If you want evidence of that just look at few years of forum posts full of vitriol and hateful language. Filled with lines such as "self hater" etc etc.
So while some would have a libertarian/conservative gay buy into the whole platform of any party that is non-left leaning to criticize them.
Its much different wouldnt you say for Democratic gays.
But when the democratic left aligns with the same "religous" in there party ( Black and Hispanic churches in California who voted for Prop Eight) you do not see the same analysis.
*Except for a few honest activists.
The democratic party is no bastian of pro-gay dogma. It gives lip service to it when its convenient. But when the Democrats are in power it does the same old thing "NOTHING".
You're, as usual, completely wrong. You must have a rather limited experience with the gay community. I know plenty of gay people who are fiscally conservative in their politics. I'm friends with them, work with them and have dated them. They are not shunned.
GOProud and Log Cabin are treated with hostility because of their desire to be part of a party both historically and in present day ACTIVELY works to deny our civil rights and dismantle some we have won recognition for. There are plenty of more fiscally conservative Democrats. They're just not insane ideologues. And the Republican Party hasn't actually be a fiscally responsible party since Nixon.
And stop blaming blacks and hispanics for the loss of Prop 8. The data is well-established that they didn't cost us the ballot fight, rather suburban women turned against us thanks to the other sides spending spree and a weak No on 8 campaign.
Finally, while the Democratic Party - particularly at the national level - is far from perfect on our issues, it was a Democrat (Clinton) who first convened a meeting with our leaders. And it was Obama how fought for passage of the Matthew Shepard Act and repeal of DADT. Obama also did a number of other smaller pro-gay policy changes.
And at the state level, nearly all of our legislative progress has come from Democratic legislatures and governors. In fact, please name me one Republican governor or legislature that has enacted pro-gay legislation.
Well again you just make assumptions about myself and my experience.
All I would say is I totally understand why someone would have a left of center philosophy on alot of things. But you and other's here rarely stop at just a discussion of ideas.
I know plenty of gay people who are fiscally conservative in their politics. I'm friends with them, work with them and have dated them. They are not shunned.
Well so do I . Everyone's experience is different . But I would say, I have been involved in at least 1 gay charity on the board, and I am currently involved in a HIV research organization at a integral level at a IRB level.
Most of the gay conservatives I know never talk about it openly how they feel. Almost as if it is a second closet door.
So when you say "They are not shunned." Isn't it ironic that a situation where someone say there being shunned, your dismissal is "I know a few gay conservatives".
You obviously lack the point of reference to comment on that more than a outsiders assumption.
The truth of the matter for some there are ideals that are more important than a gay rights issue. Especially when the Democratic party has been tacitly complicit in continuing the same old situation. Which for most gay conservatives magnifies the rift.
Regarding Prop 8, since I currently live in California, the matter is a hot topic here. Clearly all is not 100% well between local gay activists and the Democratic party.http://gay.americablog.com/2009/11/dont-ask-dont-give.html
Last since you put yourself as such a "Barometer" on the gay community.
I use the hateful and unwarranted personal attacks from you Christian73 as exhibit A.
In just about every thread you will attack someone who disagrees with you, usually using some derogatory language ( Dummy/Stupid/Idiot), with some personal epithet ( latest is suggesting some posters are on ant-psychotics).
Your answer begins "You're, as usual, completely wrong".....
How can you know if a person feels shunned or intimidated? There are blogs and articles, even books on the topic. These individual gays are all wrong, and you are all right Christian73.
I would say using RJ as a microcosm many non-democrats gays would say they have been discriminated against more by Democrats /liberals than by Republicans( in a discussion of ideals). And in fact, liberals for whatever reason cannot see how blatantly they shun ideas of anyone who thinks outside liberalism.