Big Beyond Belief

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    Jun 28, 2007 4:37 PM GMT
    Hey Buff Dudes,

    So I started reading this bodybuilding book titled, "Big Beyond Belief" by Leo Costa, Jr.:

    http://www.amazon.com/Big-Beyond-Belief-Leo-Costa/dp/1931363765/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-5908285-0709562?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183046930&sr=8-1
    http://bigbeyondbelief.com/


    I read the first few chapters and then I started skimming through the rest of the book. From what I read, it seems really interesting. They basically have developed routines that rapidly put your body through hypershock (I can't remember the term they used), hyperadaptive phase and a minor over training phase. I guess the main point is they want you to keep shocking your body so that it will adapt to the new "stress", but also be able to recover but, never reach a plateau. As I read more into the book, I will probably be able to explain better. The part that has me hesitant is their workout program is very, very simple. Basically, you have 2 workout combos you use in a 6 day period and for example your workouts would look like this:

    Day 1
    chest (3 sets)
    Tris (3 Sets)
    Legs (3 sets)
    Shoulders (3 Sets)
    Abs (3 sets)

    160 second Resting period.
    13-15 reps

    But what its different and kind of interesting is that the next time you do this combo, you would go heavier, with 8-10 reps and the next time after that, you would go even heavier with only 4-6 reps. Then you would start over. And each week, he would vary the workout a bit by changing the resting period or changing the amount of sets or reps.

    My biggest concern is that you are only dedicating one exercise (at least that's what I got from it) to each body part. For example, for chest, I would only do bench press and for legs, I would only do squats. I sometimes wonder if that is too little or is simplicity better than complication here?

    Lets keep in mind that I haven't fully read the book and only read the first few chapters and skimmed through the rest. I plan on reading the whole book but I am just wondering if anyone out there has read it? I think there are some good ideas in here that I might be able to adapt to my own workout routine but I wonder is it worth it or should I follow his routine to a T.

    Any thoughts?

    -Travis
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    Jun 29, 2007 5:34 PM GMT
    Yeah, I here ya. But Ive been pretty much following the same program with little adjustments here and there for the last 3 years, and I have found i've hit a plateau. So I thought I would pick up a book and read and try something different.

    I did try this workout yesterday and I will admit, it kicked my ass whether I thought It would or not. I'm gonna try it for a couple of months and see what happens. Ive also added my own little spin to it. It after I finish Leo Costa's work out, I pick a body part and continue working on that for a bit. If I find its not doing anything, I can always go back or hit the drawing boards again.
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    Jun 29, 2007 5:51 PM GMT
    "...they are targeting people who have never exercised before, or who do it very little, and their bodies will respond (or get shocked, as you put it) into gaining what seem like immediate result..."

    Isn't that the truth!! It's the same with "Lose 20 pounds in one week!" diets, and "Learn How To Become A Real Estate Tycoon With Someone Else's Money!" Etc.

    I've learned that there are no quick fixes. It takes hard work, whether in getting your body built or sculpted the way you want it to be, to lose or gain weight healthily, or to make money.

    Any scheme that promises quick results probably delivers in the short term, and not in the long term.

    We've all had what we think are plateaus. And someone who really knows about excercise physiology can comment on them. But I suspect that changes are still occurring...perhaps too gradual to be noticed by the naked high.

    My rule is to try things in moderation, and then stick with the plan over the long haul.

    Good luck in achieving your goals.

    John

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    Jun 29, 2007 5:52 PM GMT
    ...man, geesh, I meant "naked eye" of course.

    :-)
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    Jul 03, 2007 8:50 PM GMT
    It doesn't promise quick results and the program can last about a year or more. It isn't geared towards the "beginner" because in the book it doesn't give you instructions on how to do the exercise, it says "You should already know" and gives you the freedom to choose what core exercises you should do based on your previous knowledge of your body.

    We'll see what happens and ill keep ya posted.
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    Jul 03, 2007 9:42 PM GMT
    Got me interested. I am headed to the library right now. Let's see what ya'll are talkin bout.
    jefferyjames
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    Jul 03, 2007 9:44 PM GMT
    That routine is yet another variation on HST.
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    Jul 05, 2007 10:23 PM GMT
    I'm sorry as this might be a tad OT, but all I can think of after reading this thread is this program I saw at Target a few weeks ago that sold for $40: 6 second ABS...!!

    I'm not trying to compare this to the original poster's book, but man... I could not stop laughing when I saw that.
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    Jul 06, 2007 2:49 PM GMT
    wow,who is the author man..
  • Beregond

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    Jul 29, 2007 9:58 PM GMT
    I tried that routine years ago. I remember I felt very overtrained on it, and didn't grow any better than on standard training. But, everyone responds differently, so you never know.
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    Nov 18, 2007 2:40 AM GMT
    I've been using the principles I learned from Leo and his group starting with the BULGARIAN POWER BURST training manual and then on to the SERIOUS GROWTH training course ( up to three work outs per day six days a week for nearly six years ) and then finally with BIG BEYOND BELIEF which takes S.G. and goes to the next step, instinctive training.
    If you really read and pay attention to the course the principles are solid and they work. I was able to get my arms up to 19 inches and my chest to 49 inches with out the use of any supplements except the proper diet. Yes it is A LOT of hard work , but I stand by Leo. At 48 years of age my arms are still 18&1/4 and my chest is 48 and I still lift pretty heavy on the power weeks. Check out my profile and say hi if you like.
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    Nov 18, 2007 2:45 AM GMT
    Oh Yeah, I did start Leo's first course back in '88 at age 29. I weighed in the 150s by my late 30s I was up to 235 with a 34 waist. It was a long term comittment. Still is.:-)
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    Nov 20, 2007 12:25 PM GMT
    If I may be so bold...to get big...you eat, and train. If you don't eat enough, you won't get bigger. Simple as that. Honest Injun.

    If your genes suck, well, you won't get as big as the guy who's genes don't suck.

    It's almost all about three words.....

    I'm telling you this from 32 years of lifting....

    calories; recovery; genes.

    The rest is all fluff.
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    Nov 21, 2007 8:25 PM GMT
    calories, recovery, genes is an excellent summary. can we add "effort" or "commitment" Those 4--

    calories, effort, recovery, and genes definitely account for all of the progress I have made so far (calories, recovery and effort for the positive, genes for the limitations on the speed of progress)
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    Nov 22, 2007 7:53 AM GMT
    You may add "effort."

    I forgot that part. I suppose, that, with most "Real Jocks" the effort is implicit.
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    Nov 23, 2007 4:33 AM GMT
    I've been lifting for thirty years myself and I would like to add there is a little more that the beginner might need to know than just a few key words.There's actually a lot more to sculpting your physique than eat,rest, train. Thats like saying all there is to life is birth, eat, shit, fuck, die. Theres also the words "Form" and "Momentum" but if I didn't know anything about lifting I might draw an erroneous conclusion from just those words based on too little information. I agree that there are relatively few central Ideas to bodybuilding but there is a wealth of new knowlege coming out of research that has been made in the last 10 years or so about nutrition and manipulating nutrition for optimal results.
    A beginner may not understand what is meant by recovery, which might lead them to burn out, or,how to design their routines for maximum effect.
    To me, all of the "fluff" helps to keep what can become a very routine activity interesting. I cycle my work outs, I cycle my exercises, I cycle my sets and reps all in such a way that my body is constantly adapting to physical stimulation. By changing things up I am also challenging myself to push into different territory and not be limited to the same work out day after day, year after year.
    So chuck, I hate to disagree with you ( cuz I think you're really hot ) but I think that there's a whole lot more to working out/bodybuilding than just train, eat, sleep.
    But I bet you look good in your Jeans:-)
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    Dec 06, 2007 8:13 PM GMT
    I guess just to give ya an update, I kinda stoped the workout process from this book. It was way to complicated. But I did get some useful info and apply it to my workouts.