Texas GOP fighting to keep homosexuality illegal

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    May 09, 2011 7:26 AM GMT


    More from those who claim to be for "smaller government" and "less intrusion of government in our lives".



    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/lawrence-texas-homosexual-conduct-statute

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    May 09, 2011 7:38 AM GMT
    Texas faces major budget issues. While other states faced the same issues, some in the GOP pointed out Texas as a model of good government control by a Republican state government. That wasn't really the case.
    Now it's much easier to chase out a boogeyman, the homosexual in this case, than deal with real issues.
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    May 09, 2011 7:48 AM GMT
    Ermine saidTexas faces major budget issues. While other states faced the same issues, some in the GOP pointed out Texas as a model of good government control by a Republican state government. That wasn't really the case.
    Now it's much easier to chase out a boogeyman, the homosexual in this case, than deal with real issues.


    This is what happens when the Republicans gain a supermajority!
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    May 09, 2011 2:19 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidThis is what happens when the Republicans gain a supermajority!

    And yet Repub supporters here tell us at every election that social issues don't concern them, they're only interested in economic issues. And so they buy the Republican propaganda and eagerly try to sell it here, and foolishly vote for the Right Wing. I and others here were even slandered as being "paranoid" for predicting exactly this behavior by Republican officeholders.

    But what have we seen since the 2010 election? Republican legislative efforts have first and foremost been focused on anti-gay, anti-female, anti-minority social conservatism, not economic conservatism, exactly as we "paranoids" said would happen.

    The only economic fixes Republicans have managed to come up with are to propose even more tax breaks to corporations & millionaires, to slash or even eliminate Medicare for seniors, and to destroy unions. And to the Repub zombies here who mumble "I don't ever wanna get married, so that issue doesn't mean anything to me, the Hell with all the rest of you gays, I only care about myself," now they have something to worry about themselves, at least if they go to Texas.

    Back to the days when you go to jail for giving or getting a blowjob or for doing anal. Same as the Montana Republican Party has been promoting in their own official platform for years. And never mind what the US Supreme Court ruled on the matter -- these Repubs anticipate the day the Court will reverse itself, as well it might, as has happened before. Especially if more of their kind get appointed to it.

    Or just sending out a message to gay youth that their neighbors hate them, leading to more gay suicides. Nice job Republicans and your supporters, nice job! Keep voting Republican, and add to the gay body count among our young people. But hey, it's good for the economy, right?
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    May 09, 2011 3:43 PM GMT
    Texas has always been a "special" state, eh? And to think I lived there for one year. Couldn't be happier that I left!
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    May 09, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    catfish5 said

    More from those who claim to be for "smaller government" and "less intrusion of government in our lives".



    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/lawrence-texas-homosexual-conduct-statute





    Please do get back to us when the bill passes (which, of course, it won't). Yet another one of your pointless threads that take the actions of a few and pretend it is somehow the mindset of a whole party.

    NEXT!
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    May 09, 2011 4:04 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said Yet another one of your pointless threads that take the actions of a few and pretend it is somehow the mindset of a whole party.


    Huh. "A few"? This is from the OFFICIAL 2010 TEXAS REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM. As I have noted before, your wishful thinking aside, the inmates appear to be in charge of the asylum:

    From the 2020 Texas Republican Party PlatformHomosexuality – We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between persons of the same sex (regardless of state of origin), custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.

    Texas Sodomy Statutes – We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy.


    https://www.1888932-2946.ws/TexasGOP/E-ContentStrategy/userfiles/2010_RPT_PLATFORM.pdf



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    May 09, 2011 4:08 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    catfish5 said

    More from those who claim to be for "smaller government" and "less intrusion of government in our lives".



    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/04/lawrence-texas-homosexual-conduct-statute





    Please do get back to us when the bill passes (which, of course, it won't). Yet another one of your pointless threads that take the actions of a few and pretend it is somehow the mindset of a whole party.

    NEXT!


    Texas Republicans are stalling efforts to repeal an anti sodomy measure that was invalidated by the supreme court. Therefore, "homosexual conduct" remains a criminal offense in Texas.

    This is the result of a supermajority of Republicans in Texas who have unrestrained power.

    I guess if you believe getting arrested for having sex with your BF in your home is ok, this type of mentality works for you. As a resident of Texas, I find it really disturbing.

    "In 2003, the Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence v. Texas that the state's enforcement of the "homosexual conduct" provision was unconstitutional. In that case, two men were arrested for having sex in their bedroom, after a neighbor phoned in a phony weapons complaint."


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    May 09, 2011 4:18 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said Yet another one of your pointless threads that take the actions of a few and pretend it is somehow the mindset of a whole party.


    Huh. "A few"? This is from the OFFICIAL 2010 TEXAS REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM. As I have noted before, your wishful thinking aside, the inmates appear to be in charge of the asylum:

    From the 2020 Texas Republican Party PlatformHomosexuality – We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between persons of the same sex (regardless of state of origin), custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.

    Texas Sodomy Statutes – We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy.


    https://www.1888932-2946.ws/TexasGOP/E-ContentStrategy/userfiles/2010_RPT_PLATFORM.pdf




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    Well this sure show's where the Repubs are coming from in TEXAS doesn't it !!

    I have to wonder is some gay republicans downplay the numbers and the amount of influence/power of these bigoted Christian Fundamentalists in the Repub. party, to make themselves feel better about voting repub. at every election. they do so at their own peril !!!
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    May 09, 2011 4:28 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidPlease do get back to us when the bill passes (which, of course, it won't). Yet another one of your pointless threads that take the actions of a few and pretend it is somehow the mindset of a whole party.

    NEXT!

    First, the bill may indeed pass. Why was it ever proposed at all by Republicans?

    Second, you continue to use a false argument, that someone who criticizes the Republican Party, is therefore making a generalization, and applying it to all Republicans.

    That is totally false, but a typical tactic you try. The issue at hand is that Republican LEADERS do push for extreme right-wing, anti-gay policies. And those leaders are currently virulently anti-gay.

    Do all, 100% of Republicans, feel that way? No, of course not. But that does not give the Republican Party, and elected Republican legislators, a free pass on their hateful policies. Which are overwhelmingly anti-gay, anti-women, anti-minority, anti middle-class.

    You use a very small number of out-of-power moderate Republicans as a shield, to try to neutralize the in-charge majority of extreme right-wingers. Your false logic is that because not ALL Republicans are extremists, therefore NO Republicans are extremists.

    Sorry, your Party is controlled by extremists. Extremists make the decisions, set the policy, establish the legislative agenda. Which for us is entirely anti-gay. The few stray moderates you claim are there have no influence whatsoever.

    So why do you support, defend, and vote for the officially anti-gay Republican Party? A mystery that leads to some unflattering conclusions regarding you.
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    May 09, 2011 7:27 PM GMT
    Please dear queen mother, lets not forget all your many Anita Bryant years, where you lived as a straight man, convinces homosexuals were all dirty, and beneath you; all the bloody damage you did. What so now pretending to be seen as some out gay activists undoes all that. No you are no better than the people you protest and despise; because of all your Anita Bryant's years.

    Democrats looks behind you and stop and look at the trail of failures behind you; the damage youes too have done. Acceptance you demand acceptance you lack.
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    True_blue_aussie saidPlease dear queen mother, lets not forget all your many Anita Bryant years, where you lived as a straight man, convinces homosexuals were all dirty, and beneath you; all the bloody damage you did. What so now pretending to be seen as some out gay activists undoes all that. No you are no better than the people you protest and despise; because of all your Anita Bryant's years.

    Democrats looks behind you and stop and look at the trail of failures behind you; the damage youes too have done. Acceptance you demand acceptance you lack.


    Crude deflection.

    The point of the thread is that the Texas GOP is run by unrepentant homophobic assholes. Read the platform - not really much else to say.
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    May 09, 2011 8:16 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidPlease dear queen mother, lets not forget all your many Anita Bryant years, where you lived as a straight man, convinces homosexuals were all dirty, and beneath you; all the bloody damage you did. What so now pretending to be seen as some out gay activists undoes all that. No you are no better than the people you protest and despise; because of all your Anita Bryant's years.

    Democrats looks behind you and stop and look at the trail of failures behind you; the damage youes too have done. Acceptance you demand acceptance you lack.

    What has Anita Bryant got to do with this?

    Especially regarding anything in the US, that has nothing to do with Australia. You just give Australians a bad name, a people and a country I greatly admire, as I think most Americans do. You're the only Australian I despise. What the Hell is wrong with you?

    When I was in denial about myself (that I freely admit here) I never hurt gays in any way. Even when I wore a US Army uniform, I'm proud to say I looked after all my soldiers, including those I suspected were gay or lesbian.

    Where the FUCK do get off saying I ever caused damage to gays? You better come up with some proofs real quick, or for once in my time here I'm gonna report you to RJ Admin.

    Now please apologize and amend your remarks, as a gentleman should when he's wrong. The alternative will not be pleasant.
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    May 09, 2011 9:49 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidPlease do get back to us when the bill passes (which, of course, it won't). Yet another one of your pointless threads that take the actions of a few and pretend it is somehow the mindset of a whole party.

    NEXT!

    First, the bill may indeed pass. Why was it ever proposed at all by Republicans?

    Second, you continue to use a false argument, that someone who criticizes the Republican Party, is therefore making a generalization, and applying it to all Republicans.

    That is totally false, but a typical tactic you try. The issue at hand is that Republican LEADERS do push for extreme right-wing, anti-gay policies. And those leaders are currently virulently anti-gay.

    Do all, 100% of Republicans, feel that way? No, of course not. But that does not give the Republican Party, and elected Republican legislators, a free pass on their hateful policies. Which are overwhelmingly anti-gay, anti-women, anti-minority, anti middle-class.

    You use a very small number of out-of-power moderate Republicans as a shield, to try to neutralize the in-charge majority of extreme right-wingers. Your false logic is that because not ALL Republicans are extremists, therefore NO Republicans are extremists.

    Sorry, your Party is controlled by extremists. Extremists make the decisions, set the policy, establish the legislative agenda. Which for us is entirely anti-gay. The few stray moderates you claim are there have no influence whatsoever.

    So why do you support, defend, and vote for the officially anti-gay Republican Party? A mystery that leads to some unflattering conclusions regarding you.



    Like I said, please let us know when it gets passed. I will be waiting...and waiting...and waiting I'm sure icon_rolleyes.gif As for the Republican Party being "Officially Anti-Gay", I would say your paranoia is far more unflattering.
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    May 09, 2011 9:51 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said As for the Republican Party being "Officially Anti-Gay", I would say your paranoia is far more unflattering.


    Nice deflection - you can't really defend the platform, so go after another poster.
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    May 09, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
    ....why do they care where I stick my dick at...assholes....
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    May 09, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
    i_VAN said....why do they care where I stick my dick at...assholes....


    GOP loves to legislate morality- especially here in Texas!!
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    May 09, 2011 10:07 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said As for the Republican Party being "Officially Anti-Gay", I would say your paranoia is far more unflattering.


    Nice deflection - you can't really defend the platform, so go after another poster.



    Why would I want to defend the platform? It's ludicrous. Such a platform would be so ludicrous that it's eyeball-rolling inducing. I call another poster paranoid because he is -- he exhibits that over and over and over again in lame threads like this with his "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" mentality. So, again, when such an idiotic idea of a law passes in Texas, by all means come and shout it from the rooftops and hand-feed me some crow -- but I will take my chances that this will never happen.
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    May 09, 2011 10:15 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said As for the Republican Party being "Officially Anti-Gay", I would say your paranoia is far more unflattering.
    You had better admit then that a lot of your cohorts here are sufferring from the same thing.. the paranoia of the DEMs being the party of socialist and official party of socialism.

    goes both ways doesn't it? Can you honestly answer that?
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    May 09, 2011 10:21 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said As for the Republican Party being "Officially Anti-Gay", I would say your paranoia is far more unflattering.

    It's in the Republican Party platform, both nationally and in individual States, which makes it official. And calling me "paranoid" is a violation of TOS/TOU here. And a typical right-wing attack method you're tried before. You really work from their manual, don't you?

    Paranoia is a clinical term that only a qualified, board-certified medical professional can apply to someone. Unless you fit that definition, and have examined me in a proper way, calling me or anyone else here a paranoid is a violation of TOS/TOU.
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    May 09, 2011 10:33 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said As for the Republican Party being "Officially Anti-Gay", I would say your paranoia is far more unflattering.
    You had better admit then that a lot of your cohorts here are sufferring from the same thing.. the paranoia of the DEMs being the party of socialist and official party of socialism.

    goes both ways doesn't it? Can you honestly answer that?



    I'm not really sure if these people you refer to as my "co-horts" are paranoid about DEMs being socialist, or if this is just your interpretation of their views which are different than your own. I think extremes on either side are, more than anything, just counter-productive. A lot of this just comes down to common sense. Are Texans going to take a step backwards and pass a law and start arresting gays? I think common sense would say NO they are not. Are there bigoted anti-gay people in Texas? Of course -- they exist in every state.
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    May 09, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidUnless you fit that definition, and have examined me in a proper way, calling me or anyone else here a paranoid is a violation of TOS/TOU.


    Perhaps "Drama Queen" would have been more appropriate -- I stand corrected icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 09, 2011 10:46 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said As for the Republican Party being "Officially Anti-Gay", I would say your paranoia is far more unflattering.
    You had better admit then that a lot of your cohorts here are sufferring from the same thing.. the paranoia of the DEMs being the party of socialist and official party of socialism.

    goes both ways doesn't it? Can you honestly answer that?



    I'm not really sure if these people you refer to as my "co-horts" are paranoid about DEMs being socialist, or if this is just your interpretation of their views which are different than your own.
    No, I am actually speaking about a group in these forums that actually believe and post about that all the time.
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    May 09, 2011 10:54 PM GMT
    TropicalMark said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TropicalMark said
    CuriousJockAZ said As for the Republican Party being "Officially Anti-Gay", I would say your paranoia is far more unflattering.
    You had better admit then that a lot of your cohorts here are sufferring from the same thing.. the paranoia of the DEMs being the party of socialist and official party of socialism.

    goes both ways doesn't it? Can you honestly answer that?



    I'm not really sure if these people you refer to as my "co-horts" are paranoid about DEMs being socialist, or if this is just your interpretation of their views which are different than your own.
    No, I am actually speaking about a group in these forums that actually believe and post about that all the time.



    Well, if it is the posters I think you're referring to, they are all intelligent, experienced, and informed men who usually backup their posts with facts. While I may not always agree with them on everything, I respect their right to have that opinion.
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    May 09, 2011 10:58 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TropicalMark said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    TropicalMark said
    CuriousJockAZ said As for the Republican Party being "Officially Anti-Gay", I would say your paranoia is far more unflattering.
    You had better admit then that a lot of your cohorts here are sufferring from the same thing.. the paranoia of the DEMs being the party of socialist and official party of socialism.

    goes both ways doesn't it? Can you honestly answer that?



    I'm not really sure if these people you refer to as my "co-horts" are paranoid about DEMs being socialist, or if this is just your interpretation of their views which are different than your own.
    No, I am actually speaking about a group in these forums that actually believe and post about that all the time.



    Well, if it is the posters I think you're referring to, they are all intelligent, experienced, and informed men who usually backup their posts with facts. While I may not always agree with them on everything, I respect their right to have that opinion.
    Then you need to respect others here and their opinions as well.. I don't think Art Deco would be considered an unintelligent, inexperienced or uninformed man either.. and with the posting of the "official GOP" party platform for the state of Texas as posted factual fact, then what is?

    Can you now see what I do and why I responded?