Masculine gay black men M.I.A. In television and movies?

  • docbailey2005

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    May 11, 2011 1:16 AM GMT
    I've long noticed the disparity in many gay black and white characters in television and movies. It seems to me that many and most gay black characters or personalities are always flamming queens. I have no problems with fems, however it seems many shows that have gay white characters are often jocks, professional and successful. The last and only masculine gay black man was the cop from Six Feet Under. I could be wrong since I don't watch tons of t.v. I would love too see a gay character or personality that looks more like me. Pleas elaborate or correct me if i'm wrong.
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    May 11, 2011 3:13 AM GMT
    First, I want to say that you are not wrong overall. I did a search and interestingly the first thing that pops up is the top 25 gay TV characters. It is from 2007 on AfterElton and, Mathew St. Patrick, ironically, who played Keith the cop on Six Feet Under is the only black male character to make this list.

    In case anyone wanted to know the above list: Vince D’Angelo (Will’s bf that he married) from Will & Grace, Marco Del Rossi from Degrassi: The next generation, Jodie Dallas(played by Billy Crystal) from SOAP, George Huang from Law & Order:SVU, John Paul from Hollyoaks (a UK show), Keith Charles from Six Feet Under, Scotty Wandell from Brothers & Sisters, Waylon Smithers from the Simpsons, Ben Bruckner from Queer as Folk, Noah Mayer from As the World Turns, Rick Vasquez from My So-Called Life, Andrew Van de Kamp from Desperate Housewives, Chris Keller from Oz, Jack McPhee from Dawson’s Creek, Marc St. James from Ugly Betty, Jack Harkness from Torchwood, MIcheal Novotny from Queer as Folk, David Fisher from Six Feet Under, Emmett Honeycutt from Queer as Folk, Luke Snyder from As the World Turns, Will Truman from Will & Grace, Kevin Walker from Brothers & Sisters, Justin Taylor from Queer as Folk, Jack McFarland from Will & Grace and Brian Kinney from Queer as Folk. (the order is from 25 to 1).
    http://www.afterelton.com/people/2007/11/top25gayTVcharacters

    Interestingly a UK character made the list with a cartoon character and not a single character from Noah’s Arc was chosen (Wilson Cruz, a latino, was a minor character on Noah’s Arc) and this is listed as a reader’s choice list.

    I get what you are saying about wanting to see on television and in film someone who looks like you. Until we move into a post-racially indentified community and a post-racially identified nation, more gay characters of color will be far and few between I feel. This community is still trying to get more gay characters to be played by gay actors which means unless more gay actors of color come out, they will be next to none. That is just one of the many reasons/theories as to why there are not more on mainstream TV and film, for that matter.
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    May 11, 2011 4:04 AM GMT
    And second what Erik said. And it is a shame that the last black gay character that I have recently seen was in Why Did I Get Married 2, and he was a character to made fun of and embarrass Patricia's husband. The second part, the damn shame part, is that even in black movies black characters are treated as predators [the character in For Color Girls was on the DL (I hate that phrase)] or are as you stated a feminine character.

    I watched The Salon with Vivica Fox. And the character was exactly as you described.

    Noah's Arc was very progressive and had a range of gay men of color.

    Watch the DL Chronicles. It is a serious of vignettes with some good and some bad gay men of color. And the black couple that made the show, Quincy Lenear and Deondray Gossett, have been together for over ten years.

    Plus, the guy below is so hot!


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    May 11, 2011 5:56 AM GMT
    Somebody say M.I.A?

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    May 11, 2011 1:54 PM GMT
    Timing-wise, did Omar Little from The Wire (Michael K. Williams) "outlive" Keith Charles from Six Feet Under (Matthew St. Patrick)? I put outlive in quotes, since Keith was only killed off in that great montage during the series finale. In other words, was Omar from The Wire still around when Six Feet Under ended?
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    May 11, 2011 2:10 PM GMT
    Also, when The Game returned, did producers ever try to pick up on the role of the player who was outed during the 2008-2009 series?
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    May 11, 2011 2:12 PM GMT
    I've also notice a real lack of muscular, masculine black men on tv. The roles are often either queeny or the 'funny guy.'

    I'd like to see more good looking masculine black men in dominant positions. It turns me on and I'd tune in!
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    May 11, 2011 2:18 PM GMT
    The media hates black people. And they aren't treated so well amongst the gays either..........what were you expecting?
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    May 11, 2011 2:30 PM GMT
    dayumm saidAlso, when The Game returned, did producers ever try to pick up on the role of the player who was outed during the 2008-2009 series?


    You make a good point. I don't watch the new seasons of The Game, but I do remember there was a masculine gay black guy on several episodes, not sure if he's still on the show though.
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    May 11, 2011 2:36 PM GMT
    The exclusionary procession of homonormativity. . .
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    May 11, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
    Wait, you mean not all black men are like this?
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    May 11, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    Masculine Gay Black men are very hot...Yum icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 11, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    dayumm saidAlso, when The Game returned, did producers ever try to pick up on the role of the player who was outed during the 2008-2009 series?


    That's because he was a minor character and he didn't have much to contribute to the main story line anyway. Besides when The Game moved to BET there were many loose ends that were left untied. For example Jason's relationship with Stacey Dash.
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    May 11, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
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    May 11, 2011 3:17 PM GMT
    atl2atx85 saidWait, you mean not all black men are like this?
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    Gurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl! nuuuuh uh! lol .
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    May 11, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
    If you're watching TV or comedic movies you are going to get caricatures. It's still good business (I guess) to appeal to the largest (read: inclusive of the most ignorant) market as possible. They don't want their assumptions challenged.

    Turn the shit off. You're only feeding the problem.
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    May 11, 2011 3:30 PM GMT
    Are we talking about gay actors in gay roles or actors in gay roles? The mixed gay couple in the "Family Stone" is a good example I guess. They were such a cute movie couple. I love this movie it made me cry. And he was far from fem.
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    May 11, 2011 3:33 PM GMT
    le_cool said
    dayumm saidAlso, when The Game returned, did producers ever try to pick up on the role of the player who was outed during the 2008-2009 series?


    That's because he was a minor character and he didn't have much to contribute to the main story line anyway. Besides when The Game moved to BET there were many loose ends that were left untied. For example Jason's relationship with Stacey Dash.


    yeah......stacey is fierce.
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    May 11, 2011 3:34 PM GMT
    Does The Rock in "Be Cool" count?
  • eddieross69

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    May 11, 2011 3:38 PM GMT
    What about the character Carter on Spin City? A comedy yes, but his character wsn't the stereotypical gay man. Rather, it was a fair portrayal of a gay man in the real world.
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    May 11, 2011 3:39 PM GMT
    atl2atx85 saidWait, you mean not all black men are like this?
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    LOL
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    May 11, 2011 3:43 PM GMT
    khocomel said
    atl2atx85 saidWait, you mean not all black men are like this?
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    LOL


    You do look funny in this picture shannon lol
  • docbailey2005

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    May 11, 2011 3:45 PM GMT
    Thanks men for replies not sure if many understood what I was getting at. This post was not meant to be racially devisive in any way. Was just making an observation that most black gay men on t.v. Seem to be the stereotypical gay man . Even the reality shows like the above pic of the Sista from Real Wives ATL.
    Was reminded by a co worker of Vin RingsN role in Chuck and Larry the movie with Adam Sandler and Kevin James.....any more?

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    May 11, 2011 3:58 PM GMT
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  • docbailey2005

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    May 11, 2011 3:59 PM GMT
    Have never watched that show but again i'm searching for the masculine gay black roles. Any gay character regardless of the race is good. Again, just seems the black queens are plentyful which in a sense makes it harder for the masculine gay black men to be out hence the DL phenomenon.