Presbyterian Church Votes To Allow Openly Gay And Lesbian Clergy

  • metta

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    May 11, 2011 3:04 AM GMT

    Presbyterian Church Votes To Allow Openly Gay And Lesbian Clergy

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/10/presbyterian-church-gay-clergy_n_860289.html
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    May 11, 2011 3:58 AM GMT
    Awesome... slowly but surely the hate is being replaced by knowledge.
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    May 11, 2011 9:58 AM GMT
    TropicalMark saidAwesome... slowly but surely the hate is being replaced by knowledge.


    To have an institution like the Priesthood, that was created for men only, as women where given the gift of childbirth, men received the Gift of the Priesthood; just as not all women can give birth, not all men can possess the priesthood either.

    So there is nothing hateful about saying no women please into the priesthood, as it's a sanctuary for men. You don't see men forcing themselves into the sisterhood now do we, and wanting to be Nun's.

    No my sexuality is no choice. But the clubs, and religions I join, or wish to be apart of are. So why should the Sisterhood allow me into it's ranks as a man, just because I want too be there? As the priesthood has been forced to accept women priests. I could never revive the sacrament from a women priest, as they act without authority; just as many gays and lesbians would in the clergy. Nothing to do with hate; but rules.

    Just because we may want, does not mean we can have.......
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    May 11, 2011 12:48 PM GMT
    TropicalMark saidAwesome... slowly but surely the hate is being replaced by knowledge.


    Stunningly, we agree.

    Although I wouldn't take it for granted. Historically it is very easy for any society to just randomly change socially for whatever reason.
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    May 11, 2011 12:50 PM GMT
    WOW, I didnt see this coming! That is great.
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    May 11, 2011 1:22 PM GMT
    I grew up in the Presbyterian church and many of my family members still belong. While I am an atheist now, I suspect that part of the reason for my journey there was being essentially rejected by the fellowship of my youth. This is fantastic, fantastic news and, among other things, will make family relationships much easier for me.

    TBA, bite me. This has nothing to do with women being ordained - women have been Presbyterian (USA) ministers (NOT priests) forever. There "rules" as you put it are voted on by the representative, elected bodies of the church - the rules are an expression of the members' faith, and are not driven top-down as with the Catholic church. This change was legitimate and very long in coming.
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    May 11, 2011 1:25 PM GMT
    Though on a closer read I note that they still maintain the definition of marriage as between "a man and a woman" instead of "two people." Sigh.
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    May 11, 2011 1:48 PM GMT
    I’m really pretty much agnostic, but I was baptized into this church. I didn’t think this was NEW news when it comes to gay clergy in that church. We’ve been calling it the Lesboterian church for a very long time. Maybe this is why I'm such a progressive. icon_wink.gif
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    May 11, 2011 2:10 PM GMT
    OneGeezer saidI’m really pretty much agnostic, but I was baptized into this church.


    OMG, you mean we actually have something in common???? icon_wink.gif
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    May 11, 2011 2:16 PM GMT
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    OneGeezer saidI’m really pretty much agnostic, but I was baptized into this church.


    OMG, you mean we actually have something in common???? icon_wink.gif


    Well, could be. One reason that I'm so open and progressive icon_eek.gif is the early teachings from this church when I was just a little kid.

    If one must be religious, this one is as milquetoast as you can get.

    And there is one other one too. Hint: what we did for our 5th through 7th year of college.
  • tazzari

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    May 11, 2011 3:03 PM GMT
    "...an institution like the Priesthood, that was created for men only...

    Huh? Created? By whom? The priesthood within Christianity is a human construct.
  • HndsmKansan

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    May 11, 2011 3:14 PM GMT
    Glad to hear it! As an Episcopalian, glad to see other denominations doing what the Episcopal church already has.....
  • Aquanerd

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    May 12, 2011 10:17 PM GMT
    As a life long Presbyterian, I agree with previous posters that this is not surprising. Even before PCUSA allowed for opening gay leaders in the 90's, there have been "known" gay leaders in several of the churches I as a member of, since I was a kid. we even had a gay youth leader when I was in high school. Everyone knew he was gay, even parents, and it didn't matter, because as a small community everyone knew "him" and knew he was a great person, and someone that would help develop kids in a way the Church hoped.

    This is a conservative progress, which is what any change should be. If all Churches allowed gay Ministers that day after Stonewall, the Sanctuaries would have been empty. Unlike Politicians that like to use the power of government to force change on the people, many protestant churches are built on the idea that the membership has the power. Presbyterians by definition fall into this group. There for it is an evolutionary process that like it or not takes time; and from everyone person I have come in contact with "hate" has little if anything to do with it. Faith is not an on/off switch; it is built upon a progression of ideas. Anyone that expects a quick change in a religious group is looking for a very shallow faith.

    As much as my heart is filled with joy that PCUSA has changed the rules to allow individual session to have openly gay leaders, I would be saddened if the rules progressed to the point where an individual church was barred from using sexual orientation as a factor in choosing who they wanted as a leader.
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    May 12, 2011 10:22 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark saidAwesome... slowly but surely the hate is being replaced by knowledge.


    To have an institution like the Priesthood, that was created for men only, as women where given the gift of childbirth, men received the Gift of the Priesthood; just as not all women can give birth, not all men can possess the priesthood either.

    So there is nothing hateful about saying no women please into the priesthood, as it's a sanctuary for men. You don't see men forcing themselves into the sisterhood now do we, and wanting to be Nun's.

    No my sexuality is no choice. But the clubs, and religions I join, or wish to be apart of are. So why should the Sisterhood allow me into it's ranks as a man, just because I want too be there? As the priesthood has been forced to accept women priests. I could never revive the sacrament from a women priest, as they act without authority; just as many gays and lesbians would in the clergy. Nothing to do with hate; but rules.

    Just because we may want, does not mean we can have.......
    I would tell you to go to hell, but - if it exists - you're well on your way anyway.