"Becoming Chaz", The documentary. Anyone else see it?

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    May 11, 2011 3:36 AM GMT
    This documentary has got to be a watershed for the Trans community. What a wonderfully, raw, real and complex piece of teaching.
    Chaz Bono and the film producers have done for the transexual community what Elton and Liz did for the AIDS community.

    What a superb piece of work!
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    May 11, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    Ah shit I forgot about it!! I wanted to watch it after I saw all these damn ads on RJ
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    May 11, 2011 3:53 AM GMT
    KSUOWL saidAh shit I forgot about it!! I wanted to watch it after I saw all these damn ads on RJ
    It just restarted for the west coast!
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    May 11, 2011 8:17 AM GMT
    That is what happens when there is Ad Overkill.icon_rolleyes.gif
    It is the first film chosen for Oprah's new documentary film club and will be running on OWN network if your area gets it. Sure at some point it will be online. Chaz is making the talkshow curcuit. Will be on the View next.
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    May 11, 2011 10:05 AM GMT
    To think she went though all of that, to end up looking like an even uglier lesbian. If she is happy.
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    May 11, 2011 1:22 PM GMT
    In the DVR...will watch tonight so don't tell me how it ends... icon_wink.gif
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    May 11, 2011 1:26 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidTo think she went though all of that, to end up looking like an even uglier lesbian. If she is happy.


    Being that you and Chaz could now be twins, I find your self-deprecating humor refreshing.
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    May 11, 2011 1:29 PM GMT
    One will either 'get it' because of the intelligence needed, or one will not, as in 'true blue idiot'.
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    May 11, 2011 2:46 PM GMT
    Spare me!

    ...Well, at least, the advertizing hype is gone!

    ...Never liked media-hounds . . .
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    May 11, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
    KSUOWL saidAh shit I forgot about it!! I wanted to watch it after I saw all these damn ads on RJ


    It is on again Friday from 8-10.......It was eye opening I can't imagine anyone wanting to go through that unless they truly felt they were born the wrong sex.
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    May 11, 2011 3:12 PM GMT
    I watched. I don't know what to say about it, because it's something I don't understand and have a hard time wrapping my mind around. It's an individual's choice, and not something I have to understand. I give him props for having the guts to be so honest about it. It seems rather extreme to me, but it's not up to me to judge.
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    May 11, 2011 4:12 PM GMT
    Chaz is a perfect example of the mixture of brain physiology and chemistry determining sexuality in the womb, then GDF (Genital Determining Factor) causing the feotus to develop a body that doesn't match what the brain is designed to desire.

    Chaz said she hated her body because she always felt like a boy. I was surprised there are groups of parents who understand their young children enough to allow them to "transition" before puberty. When a child tells their parents they are a boy trapped in a girls body...and they accept it...that blew me away. But that's California. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I really hope Chaz finds peace. Maybe I was reading too much into Jen's behavior, but I thought Chaz was very uncomfortable with her. Really, two recovering addicts, and one chooses to start abusing again to cope with the stresses...that was bullshit. I know a man in Chaz's place wouldnt have women beating down his door to share his life, but he could do better.

    But we are all human.
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    May 11, 2011 4:35 PM GMT
    I don't get OWN so I didn't see the documentary, but I saw her on Oprah the other day. It's so fascinating and complicated what a person has to undergo in order to change their sex. Now all he needs to do is lose some weight.

    When I look at Chaz I don't really see a male or a female, so I'm unsure if he's going to get more masculine looking or if his transformation is complete. His partner is in an unusual situation: she's a lesbian but Chaz is now a man so she's a lesbian in a hetero relationship. It's kind of mixed up but they went through some turmoil and it seems to be working out for them now.
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    May 11, 2011 7:22 PM GMT
    Draper saidI don't get OWN so I didn't see the documentary, but I saw her on Oprah the other day. It's so fascinating and complicated what a person has to undergo in order to change their sex. Now all he needs to do is lose some weight.

    When I look at Chaz I don't really see a male or a female, so I'm unsure if he's going to get more masculine looking or if his transformation is complete. His partner is in an unusual situation: she's a lesbian but Chaz is now a man so she's a lesbian in a hetero relationship. It's kind of mixed up but they went through some turmoil and it seems to be working out for them now.



    From what I know transmen tend to look more "masculine" the
    longer they're on T. Age and genetics play a part in this as well.
    I applaud Chaz for his bravery and for being true to himself.
    As for he and his relationship, I'm sure they've talked about
    the effect that his transition would have on their relationship
    and have worked it out. Last fall I went to a wedding for two
    friends, one of whom is a transman the other a lesbian.
    They both still strongly consider themselves queer.
    His wife still identifies as a lesbian despite now being in
    what appears to most as a hetero relationship. They are
    truly an amazing and inspirational couple! She's done a
    great doc on transfolk called "Diagnosing Difference."
    Anyone interested should check it out.
    http://www.diagnosingdifference.com/

    Back to Chazz....I wish all the best to Chaz and his partner! icon_smile.gif
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    May 11, 2011 7:22 PM GMT
    Draper said His partner is in an unusual situation: she's a lesbian but Chaz is now a man so she's a lesbian in a hetero relationship. It's kind of mixed up but they went through some turmoil and it seems to be working out for them now.
    Actually Jenny is bisexual and has had both hetero and homo relations.. and doesnt seem to mind.. in her words: "Its the person I love, not the gender".
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    May 11, 2011 7:26 PM GMT
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    Draper said His partner is in an unusual situation: she's a lesbian but Chaz is now a man so she's a lesbian in a hetero relationship. It's kind of mixed up but they went through some turmoil and it seems to be working out for them now.
    Actually Jenny is bisexual and has had both hetero and homo relations.. and doesnt seem to mind.. in her words: "Its the person I love, not the gender".



    Good answer! Chaz is a lucky man.
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    May 11, 2011 7:44 PM GMT
    RowBuddy saidI'll watch it, but only if someone tells me that they actually acknowledge the biological and scientific fact that she is still a she. There is no actual way to reassign a gender biologically on the cellular level. I get so mad at the media when they talk about how "Man gives birth!" when it was always a woman to begin with. Until someone invents a way to introduce a Y chromosome to a XX cell and rid the cell of the second X chromosome the "she" is still "female". Externally, sure, looks walks, talks, and has sex like a male. In the mind they are "male" but biologically, still a female.

    Then again, I was a Biology major and work in a medical school.... what do I know about life? ha.

    disclaimer: I am all for people pretending to be men if they were born women (or vise versa) if it makes them feel better about themselves. I just want people to be educated that this is only a cosmetic change, not a biological one.
    You need to seriously watch this.. your post will sound ludicrous to you after watching.. it isnt as simple as 'pretending'.....


    "Man that gives birth" isnt taking testosterone, nor has has reassignment surgery.

    Watch the program and learn.
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    May 11, 2011 8:32 PM GMT
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    RowBuddy saidI'll watch it, but only if someone tells me that they actually acknowledge the biological and scientific fact that she is still a she. There is no actual way to reassign a gender biologically on the cellular level. I get so mad at the media when they talk about how "Man gives birth!" when it was always a woman to begin with. Until someone invents a way to introduce a Y chromosome to a XX cell and rid the cell of the second X chromosome the "she" is still "female". Externally, sure, looks walks, talks, and has sex like a male. In the mind they are "male" but biologically, still a female.

    Then again, I was a Biology major and work in a medical school.... what do I know about life? ha.

    disclaimer: I am all for people pretending to be men if they were born women (or vise versa) if it makes them feel better about themselves. I just want people to be educated that this is only a cosmetic change, not a biological one.
    You need to seriously watch this.. your post will sound ludicrous to you after watching.. it isnt as simple as 'pretending'.....


    "Man that gives birth" isnt taking testosterone, nor has has reassignment surgery.

    Watch the program and learn.


    I hope you are not being condescending.

    Did I not say I am a biologist? I am "learned"! I know more about the human body then most of the average americans who would watch this show and believe in the sensationalism that a man can have a baby. I KNOW what hormone therapy and a build-a-penis-outta-a-vagina is. Regardless you can not actually change your sex. All those do is make you LOOK like a man. If this documentary does not even touch on the biology of Chromosomes then it is pointless and there is nothing worth learning that the Today Show can not sensationalize when the next Man-woman gives miraculous birth to a baby in the time-honored traditional way only with facial hair. HA. Sure, Chastidy/Chaz had his/her uterus ripped out and a penis erected (ha again) built from his/her vag-jay-jay, so? 10,000 years from now when Humans are extinct and they are digging up her grave to see what the human race was all about they are gonna find the bones of a woman. End of story. (And right next to her will be the perfectly preserved remains of some Plastic looking life form that resembles Cher)

    I spend WAY to much time around Genes done my fair share of gel analysis and PCR machines and stem cell work to have to sit through this show UNLESS it is the 100% truth about gender reassignment. Anything less would be disrespectful to science, the medical field, gender studies, and the intelligence of the countless uneducated americans that believe everything they hear on these documentaries.
    No I am not..

    Biological building blocks cannot ever be 'changed'.. but this presentation will enlighten your understanding.

    Apparently you have NO experience in Psychology. And we have MUCH to still learn about 'genetics' "chromosomes' and how all these things work in tandem, or alone. You are not the be all end all of knowledge, nor am I or your professors. Any medical professional who says they don't need to LEARN more is an asshole and I think most people would agree with that summation.

    Maybe you should take a few courses on 'gender studies'. I would bet this documentary will be a part of the curriculum soon enough.
    It also deals with how the world around a transgendered person also transitions.

    Oh and btw, mr "biologist", its called a 'phalloplasty' not a"build-a-penis-outta-a-vagina" . (and yes, that's being condescending!)
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    May 11, 2011 9:31 PM GMT
    RowBuddy said
    TropicalMark said
    RowBuddy said
    learn.



    Sure, Chastidy/Chaz had his/her uterus ripped out and a penis erected (ha again) built from his/her vag-jay-jay, so?


    You just made TropicalMark's point. You didn't even watch because Chaz didn't have his uterus ripped out. Chaz had a mastectomy and started taking testosterone. He has no plans, at this time, of having a phalloplasty. So he is referring to himself as a man even without having a male genetalia. That being the case he knows (and anyone watching does to) that he is not biologically male.

    Not once in the movie did Chaz ever claim to be a biological male. Not once in the movie did ANYONE claim that he was a biological male. He refered to him self as a transexual male. Again, if you would have watched you would have understood this. When people refer to him as "he" there is no implied biological maleness, it's more of a social maleness. There is also the fact that he is legally seen as male in the eyes of the law. There is more to his sex than his biological, or much less his genetic, determiners. Being that you are a biology student I'm surprised that you don't understand the mind/body connection better. Maybe you will cover that in a later semester.

    Also, if you are going to flex intellectual muscle and credentials you may want to steer away from such terms as vag-jay-jay.
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    May 11, 2011 9:34 PM GMT
    Poor Cher.....she must be spinning in her grave......icon_cry.gif
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    May 11, 2011 9:42 PM GMT
    turbobilly saidPoor Cher.....she must be spinning in her grave......icon_cry.gif


    Hey CHER isn't dead! Dude!
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    May 11, 2011 10:09 PM GMT
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    turbobilly saidPoor Cher.....she must be spinning in her grave......icon_cry.gif


    Hey CHER isn't dead! Dude!


    Sorry to break it to you, Vic..... A few weeks before "Burlesque" was scheduled to begin filming, Cher suffered a fatal Botox overdose.....

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    Disney animatronics was called in......
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    May 11, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
    My sister should see this since she acts like a boy and not a woman but i guess thats what lesbains/studs do
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    May 11, 2011 10:14 PM GMT
    Delighted to hear that our plight is being made public.

    When I was a black woman called Penelope, I used to dream of this day.
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    May 11, 2011 10:15 PM GMT
    I'm waiting for the musical...