Israel stripped 140,000 Palestinians of residency rights, document reveals

  • tokugawa

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    May 11, 2011 2:13 PM GMT
    Israel stripped thousands of Palestinians of their right to live in the West Bank over a 27-year period, forcing most of them into permanent exile abroad, a document obtained under freedom of information laws has disclosed.

    Around 140,000 Palestinians who left to study or work had their residency rights revoked between 1967 and 1994.

    Full story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/11/israel-palestinians-residency-rights
  • Webster666

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    May 12, 2011 12:55 AM GMT
    They're constantly bitching about how bad conditions are in the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip.
    If it were true, why would they want to go back there ?
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    May 12, 2011 4:24 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidThey're constantly bitching about how bad conditions are in the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip.
    If it were true, why would they want to go back there ?


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    Calloused just a little in favor of Israel doing anything they want to, to the Palestinian are you ?

    What the hell !!! Palestine is their home for christs sake, so if their neighbors keep losing their home to ZIONIST SETTLERS, should they not complain if for no other reason than that their land and home might be next.

    You know people who approve of ZIONIST actions that take misadvantage of Palestinians at every turn are really shortsighted, and onesided. You saying this takes a lot os Chutzpah, The Zionist causes the problem, then when the Palestinian complains or retaliates, the Zionist turns around and effectively says. Hey, its our right to do whatever we want to, if our actions step on your rights, that's tough, you still have no reason to complain. then they might add, why won't you negotiate with we ZIONISTS.

    Sorry this kind of one sided dealing isn't how to get along with your neighbor, but of course that is unless your a Zionist Jew, who thinks he's always right and that its all about our Jewish Homeland, the hell with anyone elses rights

    And next your going to tell me that Hamas lobbs bombs nearly daily, so they deserve what they get. Well yes its wrong to try bombing inoscent people, But what the hell would anyone do if they were in the Palestinians shoes with 140,000 being displaced and that's just the start of the racist and totally unfair treatment the Palestinians get at the hands of the Zionist leeadership in Israel. Things went much better between the jew and the Palestinian before Zionists came along and started with their idea that Palestine doesn't exist, so palestinian lands and homes are we Zioinists to do with as we want. Zioinists started the problem and Zionist atrocities are still the problem, take a look at the increased number of Zionist Settlements over the last 2 or three years,

    IF you steal from me, when we go to court to settle the problem, the judge wil grant me the return or equal from the robber, but Zionists expect that when they go before the judge that they are to keep what they took, and negotiate, more out of their victim. Thats called JEW CHUTZPAH !! Sorry, but it doesn't work that way in the real world.

    But like LEERON, you'll be back with, ZIONISTS ARE RIGHT ALL THE TIME, PALESTINIANS ARE ALWAYS WRONG, Up is Down, Right is only right if its what the Jew Zionist wants, Right doesn't come unless its in favor of the Jew Zionist. THAT MENTALITY IS WHY ISRAEL IS NOW SO ISOLATED AND HAS NO PEACE.
  • Webster666

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    May 12, 2011 4:45 AM GMT
    You can stop screaming "ZIONIST."
    This has nothing to do with Zionism.
    Besides, being called a Zionist has no sting.

    BTW, there is no Palestine.
    There could have been, but they refused the offer of having their own country.

    And, since the Palestinians refuse to live in peace, they have to be isolated from the peace loving Israelis.
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    May 12, 2011 5:28 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidYou can stop screaming "ZIONIST."
    This has nothing to do with Zionism.
    Besides, being called a Zionist has no sting.

    BTW, there is no Palestine.
    There could have been, but they refused the offer of having their own country.

    And, since the Palestinians refuse to live in peace, they have to be isolated from the peace loving Israelis.


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    Yah right !! the peace your referring to was probably just coming after the Zionists had pushed out some 300,000, Palestinians, then the Zionist Propagandists went about making threats of more of the same coming, so several hundred thousand more left for their safety, when the propaganda threat didn't take place, the Palestinians were not allowed back. But of course the Zionist propaganda now has it that they left on their own.

    Next came this offer of peace and their own country after the Zionists had just succeeded in manipulating half a million or more Palestinians out of their homes and lands. Would you have negotiated without right of return, with this kind of background ? But of course the Zionist Propaganda has it that yet again, Its the Palestinian with the Problem, not the Jew Zionist who caused the problem in the first place, because in their mind, they had a mandate to settle and form a jewish homeland., so the Palestinian had to get out of the way for them to meet their goal.

    So I'm your neighbor, and I want ten feet of your land, because its to my benefit, I don't care about your rights, I need that land. so I move the fence over your way by a foot while your away. You come home, and don't notice it, it rocks on for six months, you go away again, and this time I move the fence two more feet in your direction. this time you come home, and something seems wrong, You complain !! I say no I never took anything of yours, because in my mind, I want it, I need it, I don't care about what you want. You take me to court, I go into court with a shitload of accusations, I get neighbors to say any number of accusations and false stories, the judge says He'll order a survey if I don't move the fence back on my own. Immediatley I start throwing a fit, whining and crying about how I need that property, and I've been abused and called names by the one I stoled from and then I say, I'll negotiate and keep a foot and a half, cause I want it. I need it and you never used it properly anyways.

    do you think your going to negotiate with me ?? Do you think that judge is going to give me the foot and a half that I took, and the real owner going to only get back half of what he had ? NO WAY IN HELL

    This is how the JEW ZIONIST NEGOTIATES !!! and BI GOD HELL NO !!! I WOULDN'T NEGOTIATE WITH THAT KIND OF CHUTZPAH AS THE BASIS FOR NEGOTIATING. Not a completely correct equivalence, but in the real situation the Zionist leadership has done much worse.

    I wish I could leave Zionist out of it, but the Zionist are the root of the problem and always have been. Take a look at C4's Zionist description of how Palestine never existed, that the Jew Zionist had a mandate to form a jewish Homeland, in his description, there was no mention whatever of palestinian rights to their ancestral lands, farms and homes. You can see it at the forum topic, Israel turns 63, dated 5-10-11 and look for the post with the specific time 9:29. This C4 Zionist description of what Zionists believe is their rights to a homeland with no rights or respect for the Palestinians homelands. and there you have the whole root of the problem and until that mentality is no longer the basis from which the jew zionist leadership seeks to negotiate a peace, there cannot be any good faith negotiations. That is the mentality, the base of why the settlements are even now being expanded, and there can be no good faith negotiations with construction on settlements going on. Sorry, but that just isn't the way the real world works, of course jew chutzpah has it that its supposed to work primarily in the favor of the jew.
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    May 12, 2011 5:47 AM GMT
    tokugawa saidIsrael stripped thousands of Palestinians of their right to live in the West Bank over a 27-year period, forcing most of them into permanent exile abroad, a document obtained under freedom of information laws has disclosed.

    Around 140,000 Palestinians who left to study or work had their residency rights revoked between 1967 and 1994.

    Full story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/11/israel-palestinians-residency-rights


    Why don't you go throw rockets at em like the rest of the Hamas.
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    May 12, 2011 6:48 AM GMT
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    JAKEBENSON said
    tokugawa saidIsrael stripped thousands of Palestinians of their right to live in the West Bank over a 27-year period, forcing most of them into permanent exile abroad, a document obtained under freedom of information laws has disclosed.

    Around 140,000 Palestinians who left to study or work had their residency rights revoked between 1967 and 1994.

    Full story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/11/israel-palestinians-residency-rights


    Why don't you go throw rockets at em like the rest of the Hamas.


    I would if I ever have a chance to visit my parents' birthplace.


    Wow looks like you turned into a little terrorist there. Didn't see that one coming. You gonna take Osama's place?
  • tokugawa

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    May 15, 2011 10:10 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidWhy don't you go throw rockets at em like the rest of the Hamas.


    Dude, why don't you pay attention for once? I am against violence and terrorism, no matter how many times you and c4 lie about it.

    Why don't you learn the Fascist and terrorist background of former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin?

    A 1948 letter to the New York Times signed by 27 prominent Jewish intellectuals, including Albert Einstein, condemned future Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin for his leadership of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, "a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization" in Palestine.

    American Heritage Dictionary: chau·vin·ism (shō'və-nĭz'əm)
    n.
    1.Militant devotion to and glorification of one's country; fanatical patriotism.


    The NYT letter specifically cites the shocking example of the terrorist attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin, which resulted in the deaths of 240 men, women, and children. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.

    Begin's party is condemned in the NYT letter for its unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party.

    Begin's previous terrorist acts did not prevent his election later as Prime Minister of Israel. (Another leader of a Zionist terrorist organization, Yizhak Shamir, leader of the Stern Gang, was also elected as Prime Minister of Israel.)

    The full text of the NYT letter follows:

    December 4, 1948
    TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:

    Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

    The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.

    Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.

    The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist
    party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

    Attack on Arab Village

    A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants - 240 men, women, and children - and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.

    The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.

    Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.

    During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.

    The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

    The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal.

    In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.

    The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

    (signed)

    Isidore Abramowitz,
    Hannah Arendt,
    Abraham Brick,
    Rabbi Jessurun Cardozo,
    Albert Einstein,
    Herman Eisen, M.D.,
    Hayim Fineman, M. Gallen, M.D.,
    H.H. Harris,
    Zelig S. Harris,
    Sidney Hook,
    Fred Karush,
    Bruria Kaufman,
    Irma L. Lindheim,
    Nachman Maisel,
    Symour Melman,
    Myer D. Mendelson, M.D.,
    Harry M. Orlinsky,
    Samuel Pitlick,
    Fritz Rohrlich,
    Louis P. Rocker,
    Ruth Sager,
    Itzhak Sankowsky,
    I.J. Schoenberg,
    Samuel Shuman,
    M. Znger,
    Irma Wolpe,
    Stefan Wolpe


    source: http://phys4.harvard.edu/~wilson/NYTimes1948.pdf

    JAKEBENSON, your suggestion that I am a member of Hamas is libelous and I may take legal action against you (that is, sue you for monatary damages) at some future date if you persist in writing false, malicious statements.
  • tokugawa

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    May 15, 2011 10:29 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidYou can stop screaming "ZIONIST."
    This has nothing to do with Zionism.
    Besides, being called a Zionist has no sting.

    BTW, there is no Palestine.
    There could have been, but they refused the offer of having their own country.

    And, since the Palestinians refuse to live in peace, they have to be isolated from the peace loving Israelis.


    Nice contradiction. If there is no Palestine, there are no Palestinians.

    Opps! Looks like somebody made postage stamps for your non-existant Palestine:

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    May 15, 2011 10:46 PM GMT
    Oh good. I found another terrorist thread that's anti-Israel.

    IGNORE BUTTON
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    May 16, 2011 2:31 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidOh good. I found another terrorist thread that's anti-Israel.

    IGNORE BUTTON


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    Why is it so hard for Israeli's to face the truth about what their Zionist leaders do in their names? Why do you consider anyone who exposes the truth about Israels actions as "ANTI-ISRAEL" ? Does it anger you because you don't want to know the truth? Because you don't want to face the truth? Is it that its too hard to believe that you could have been wrong all this time, because come to find out the Propaganda you were told has been based on LIES all this time ? Your anger Jake is kind of Transparent !!!
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    May 16, 2011 4:39 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidOh good. I found another terrorist thread that's anti-Israel.

    IGNORE BUTTON


    win!
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    May 16, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
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    JAKEBENSON saidOh good. I found another terrorist thread that's anti-Israel.

    IGNORE BUTTON


    That is funny... I have read so many anti-Palestinian threads by Caesarea and other pro-Israelis. You don't see me whining...


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    Well I guess we aren't the Chosen Ones so we cannot be right at all while they are entitled to be right, to always have it their way, to always expect more, to never hear any truth re their faults and to have their cake and eat it too !!! That's why in the Jewish language they developed the word among themselves, CHUTZPAH !!! Its the only word that fits, and its their word !!!
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    May 18, 2011 3:15 AM GMT
    I spoke with a Lebanese friend of mine who lives in Beirut and some friends of his went to the border where the Palestinian Refugees from Palestine were shot by Israeli soldiers on Sunday when they protested at the border. A couple of these friends are technically trained and they did a sweep for Land mines that Israel may have placed and found 2 or 3 and disabled them so the Protesters wouldn't get blown up.

    Isn't it against the law for the Israeli's to put land mines along the borders ?
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    May 18, 2011 11:55 PM GMT
    There are two topics regarding the Jews, one making light of Nakbar day through a twisted propaganda about its origin and the other about a stated amount of 700,000 jews made refugees or else murdered by muslims.

    The thing that strikes me from what comments I have read from the more Zionist Propagandist side of our Jewish membership here, is that though many terrible things happened to the jews through the centuries, They haven't taken from their own experience the lesson to treat others as they would be treated.

    The Germans took Jews lands, farms, businesses and their homes in the 1940's, and for the last 60+ years the Zionist Jews have been doing the same thing to the Palestinians, and there is no amount of ZIONIST PROPAGANDA to cover that over, they are right now as I type doing this by building ZIONIST SETTLEMENTS on Palestinian Occupied land. Their ZIONIST PROPAGANDA MACHINE works very hard through the Media in Israel and through the organizaion AIPAC in the US to cover ZIONIST LED ISRAEL's atrocities toward the Palestinians, to make sure as much as possible that Jews always appear to be the victim rather than the aggressor. Thing is, the world has seen through the smoke screen of ZIONIST PROPAGANDA and all but the US because of AIPAC monetary and media influence, have lined up to help Israel understand that they can no longer mistreat the Palestinian with impunity.

    When will Israel learn ? When will the jewish citizenry demand an end to the ZIONIST LEADERS EXTREMES against the rights of the Palestinians ? Israel has survived only by the American largess and even here the majority now are against the US carte blanche adherence to whatever Israel wants. I should note here too that just because I tell the truth as it appears to be, that dissapproval of Israels actions does not constitute hating Israel or seek for its destruction.
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    May 19, 2011 8:13 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidOh good. I found another terrorist thread that's anti-Israel.

    IGNORE BUTTON


    Jake's list of anti-Israel terrorists (all of whom are Jewish):

    Isidore Abramowitz,
    Hannah Arendt,
    Abraham Brick,
    Rabbi Jessurun Cardozo,
    Albert Einstein,
    Herman Eisen, M.D.,
    Hayim Fineman, M. Gallen, M.D.,
    H.H. Harris,
    Zelig S. Harris,
    Sidney Hook,
    Fred Karush,
    Bruria Kaufman,
    Irma L. Lindheim,
    Nachman Maisel,
    Symour Melman,
    Myer D. Mendelson, M.D.,
    Harry M. Orlinsky,
    Samuel Pitlick,
    Fritz Rohrlich,
    Louis P. Rocker,
    Ruth Sager,
    Itzhak Sankowsky,
    I.J. Schoenberg,
    Samuel Shuman,
    M. Znger,
    Irma Wolpe,
    Stefan Wolpe

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    May 19, 2011 10:10 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidThey're constantly bitching about how bad conditions are in the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip.
    If it were true, why would they want to go back there ?


    Because it's their home, the land of their forefathers.
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    May 19, 2011 4:33 PM GMT
    tokugawa said
    JAKEBENSON saidOh good. I found another terrorist thread that's anti-Israel.

    IGNORE BUTTON


    Jake's list of anti-Israel terrorists (all of whom are Jewish):

    Isidore Abramowitz,
    Hannah Arendt,
    Abraham Brick,
    Rabbi Jessurun Cardozo,
    Albert Einstein,
    Herman Eisen, M.D.,
    Hayim Fineman, M. Gallen, M.D.,
    H.H. Harris,
    Zelig S. Harris,
    Sidney Hook,
    Fred Karush,
    Bruria Kaufman,
    Irma L. Lindheim,
    Nachman Maisel,
    Symour Melman,
    Myer D. Mendelson, M.D.,
    Harry M. Orlinsky,
    Samuel Pitlick,
    Fritz Rohrlich,
    Louis P. Rocker,
    Ruth Sager,
    Itzhak Sankowsky,
    I.J. Schoenberg,
    Samuel Shuman,
    M. Znger,
    Irma Wolpe,
    Stefan Wolpe



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    Well you realize that Jake and many of the others have as their leader LEERON, (C4), they are loath to cross his ZIONIST PROPAGANDA TALES for fact and therefore we are Haters of Jews for telling the truth according to them, then like children they follow their leader and at least claim to ignore anyone who points out facts, because they don't want to see them. If they did, they'd have to change some of their ingrained racist views of the PALESTINE they say never existed and to, they'd have to argue with the ever and always RIGHT and OBNOXIOUS LEERON, and they sure don't want to do that !!!
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    May 19, 2011 6:54 PM GMT
    Obama Backs Arab Democracy
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theenvoy/20110519/ts_yblog_theenvoy/obama-lays-out-u-s-vision-for-supporting-arab-democracy-resolving-israeli-palestinian-conflict#mwpphu-container
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 19, 2011 11:08 PM GMT
    What else is new about Israel. It is nothing more than a terrorist, imperialistic country that is hell bent on forcing the Palestinian people off all of their homelands. At this rate, the Palestinians will be a people without a country.
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    May 23, 2011 1:55 AM GMT
    God Damn !!!! And ISRAEL WANTS PEACE ??? Ya right !!! If you want peace with a neighbor your occupying which in itself is an 'unpeaceful' gesture, you don't keep taking more and more land for settlements.

    from what I understand, about 300 units were in process back in March.

    add the 500 Israel announced in retaliation for the Fogel Family murders.

    1500 announced the day before Netanyahu was to meet with Obama.

    and now an additional 300 more settlement Units.

    THATS A TOTAL OF 2600 settler housing units !!!


    This does not represent an Israel interested in showing Good Faith efforts toward Peace !!!