May 12, 2011 1:28 PM GMT
This is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. Is there a part of the reform act that I missed wherein it says doctors will work for free at gunpoint? 

mocktwinkie saidThis is a little off track but: Do you know how many hospitals I saw in Europe the entire time I was there? And believe me, I looked for them.
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I guess you can tell people they have free health care and yet when it comes right down to it there's hardly any place to get treatment.
Something tells me becoming a doctor is not exactly a sought after career over there if someone is interested in making a lot of money.
mocktwinkie saidSomething tells me becoming a doctor is not exactly a sought after career over there if someone is interested in making a lot of money.
mocktwinkie saidThis is a little off track but: Do you know how many hospitals I saw in Europe the entire time I was there? And believe me, I looked for them.
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I guess you can tell people they have free health care and yet when it comes right down to it there's hardly any place to get treatment.
Something tells me becoming a doctor is not exactly a sought after career over there if someone is interested in making a lot of money.
mocktwinkie saidThis is a little off track but: Do you know how many hospitals I saw in Europe the entire time I was there? And believe me, I looked for them.
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I guess you can tell people they have free health care and yet when it comes right down to it there's hardly any place to get treatment.
Something tells me becoming a doctor is not exactly a sought after career over there if someone is interested in making a lot of money.
White4DarkerFL saidmocktwinkie saidThis is a little off track but: Do you know how many hospitals I saw in Europe the entire time I was there? And believe me, I looked for them.
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I guess you can tell people they have free health care and yet when it comes right down to it there's hardly any place to get treatment.
Something tells me becoming a doctor is not exactly a sought after career over there if someone is interested in making a lot of money.
Republican logic at work....believe one anecdotal case over statistics compiled from billions of people.
Below is a ranking of human life expectancy, by country. If you want to find where the US stands, you'll have to keep scrolling down, way past all those countries with socialized medicine...way down there below our old nemesis, Cuba. (And we spend almost double per capita over any of these countries with longer life expectancies.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
As you get down to the bottom of the list, you find countries who follow the Dr. Rand Paul and Republican solution to public health...namely: "Let parents and churches educate kids about sex and AIDS. Don't get sick. If you do get sick, do us a favor and die quickly."
TrentGrad saidWhite4DarkerFL saidmocktwinkie saidThis is a little off track but: Do you know how many hospitals I saw in Europe the entire time I was there? And believe me, I looked for them.
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I guess you can tell people they have free health care and yet when it comes right down to it there's hardly any place to get treatment.
Something tells me becoming a doctor is not exactly a sought after career over there if someone is interested in making a lot of money.
Republican logic at work....believe one anecdotal case over statistics compiled from billions of people.
Below is a ranking of human life expectancy, by country. If you want to find where the US stands, you'll have to keep scrolling down, way past all those countries with socialized medicine...way down there below our old nemesis, Cuba. (And we spend almost double per capita over any of these countries with longer life expectancies.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
As you get down to the bottom of the list, you find countries who follow the Dr. Rand Paul and Republican solution to public health...namely: "Let parents and churches educate kids about sex and AIDS. Don't get sick. If you do get sick, do us a favor and die quickly."
Well in fairness to twinkie, the ranking of the USA could have something to do with the obesity epidemic, particularly among younger Americans, as well.
Of course that might also suggest to most reasonable, rational people that orienting national ideals around the principle that "greed is good" may not be the best idea...but don't expect that twinkie or the other committed Republicans on here will give that idea a fair hearing!
Christian73 saidThis is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. Is there a part of the reform act that I missed wherein it says doctors will work for free at gunpoint?
mocktwinkie said
We're all greedier than you think Trentgrad. Being able to admit it is more honorable than pretending otherwise.
musclmed saidChristian73 saidThis is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. Is there a part of the reform act that I missed wherein it says doctors will work for free at gunpoint?
I really do not see the problem with his hypothetical.
If you go down the logical path that "Health-care is a Right", you really have to think in abstract ways to define the boundaries of that right.
Because that is how we treat rights. It’s not an automatic societal "I know what that right means”, we test the boundaries of it, or the Supreme Court tests it in court.
So if it is a right, is there a compelling right in Dr Paul's hypothetical for a patient to "conscript" him to work? I don't know.
If you answer is, "that is ridiculous no one would do that and the (ACA) law doesn't do that.".... wait a moment
Dr Paul was addressing the notion it is a "RIGHT". If it is, how can it be dealt with in any other way than in the abstract?
We generally have a right to a defense in court, and counsel. But do we also have a right to a public defender (lawyer) to call when we are not a criminal defendant? I think not.
Health-care is not the same as a Legal matter, but it’s not an obscene topic to discuss Miranda rights and the "right to an attorney" and the boundaries of that right.
Once in a while, in an effort to address the Medical/Medicaid problem ( No physician that accepts the insurance) you will have a legislator introduce a bill that would make a requirement of a medical license to accept Medical.
This is a reality, and if a "Right" is being discussed, the boundaries should be explored.
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