Shame on Minnesota. Minnesota Senate passes bill to allow gay marriage to go up for a vote in the 2012 elections.

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  May 12, 2011 4:35 PM GMT

  http://www.kare11.com/news/article/922800/396/Minn-Senate-okays-public-vote-on-gay-marriage-ban
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  I am so disappointed with my state currently. Every state that this has gone up for a vote it has passed. Well except one but that was passed when it was re introduced two years later.
  
  I don't know, maybe Minnesota will be the first state to actually reject the gay marriage ban by vote of the people but I doubt it.

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  The majority of Minnesotans just vote democrat for the big government gravy but in the end the majority from both sides will just vote against more social freedom and against gay people.

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  Wasn't Minnesota just recently named the most "hipster" state?

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  May 12, 2011 5:33 PM GMT

  mocktwinkie saidThe majority of Minnesotans just vote democrat for the big government gravy but in the end the majority from both sides will just vote against more social freedom and against gay people.

  
  
  Maybe if your corporate masters and wealthy buddies didn't support the parties that encourage people to vote against gay people, it wouldn't happen!
  
  Oh, but you and your friends ALWAYS vote for gay rights...I forgot! THAT's why the Republicans usually are front and center when it comes to efforts to repeal gay rights, and are seldom openly supportive of gay rights in general!
  
  

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  mocktwinkie saidThe majority of Minnesotans just vote democrat for the big government gravy but in the end the majority from both sides will just vote against more social freedom and against gay people.

  
  
  wrong - wrong - wrong. If you count just democratic votes...these anti gay props LOSE every time.
  
  Republicans vote almost 90% to pass anti gay amendments. They are the party of bigots, haters and homophobes. And republicans elect haters too....97.5% of republicans in congress voted to keep DADT.
  
  It's ALWAYS the republican groups who put these amendments on the ballot in the first place....and then vote for them in huge numbers. Republicans=haters and bigots.
  
  FYI...this is why we need to keep republicans out of office.
  

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  mocktwinkie saidThe majority of Minnesotans just vote democrat for the big government gravy but in the end the majority from both sides will just vote against more social freedom and against gay people.

  
  
  wrong - wrong - wrong. If you count just democratic votes...these anti gay props LOSE every time.
  
  Republicans vote almost 90% to pass anti gay amendments. They are the party of bigots, haters and homophobes. And republicans elect haters too....97.5% of republicans in congress voted to keep DADT.
  
  It's ALWAYS the republican groups who put these amendments on the ballot in the first place....and then vote for them in huge numbers. Republicans=haters and bigots.
  
  FYI...this is why we need to keep republicans out of office.
  

  
  
  Wrong. Minnesota goes democratic every presidential election, that shows you that the majority of voters are democratic and therefore when a vote comes up for gay marriage there is a significant portion of democrats voting against gay marriage. If all the democrats who voted for Obama voted for gay marriage then it would be legal in Minnesota, but we both know that they are only in it for the gravy.

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  mocktwinkie saidThe majority of Minnesotans just vote democrat for the big government gravy but in the end the majority from both sides will just vote against more social freedom and against gay people.

  
  
  Maybe if your corporate masters and wealthy buddies didn't support the parties that encourage people to vote against gay people, it wouldn't happen!
  
  Oh, but you and your friends ALWAYS vote for gay rights...I forgot! THAT's why the Republicans usually are front and center when it comes to efforts to repeal gay rights, and are seldom openly supportive of gay rights in general!
  
  

  
  
  The only reason why business tends to support republicans is because of the free market principles they advocate. Take Target, for instance. They are very pro-gay and yet they are forced to vote Republican for their best interest business-wise.
  
  Your argument makes no sense anyway because the majority of voters in MN are democrats and they go democrat in every presidential election.

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  mocktwinkie said

  White4DarkerFL said

  mocktwinkie saidThe majority of Minnesotans just vote democrat for the big government gravy but in the end the majority from both sides will just vote against more social freedom and against gay people.

  
  
  wrong - wrong - wrong. If you count just democratic votes...these anti gay props LOSE every time.
  
  Republicans vote almost 90% to pass anti gay amendments. They are the party of bigots, haters and homophobes. And republicans elect haters too....97.5% of republicans in congress voted to keep DADT.
  
  It's ALWAYS the republican groups who put these amendments on the ballot in the first place....and then vote for them in huge numbers. Republicans=haters and bigots.
  
  FYI...this is why we need to keep republicans out of office.
  

  
  
  Wrong. Minnesota goes democratic every presidential election, that shows you that the majority of voters are democratic and therefore when a vote comes up for gay marriage there is a significant portion of democrats voting against gay marriage.

  
  
  Stockholm syndrome much?
  
  1. Obama won MN with 54% of the vote, but it's the independents who decide any election, including ballot measures.
  2. The anti-gay amendments are ALWAYS put on the ballot by republicans. They put it there to increase voter turnout among independent conservatives.
  
  The MN republican party platform opposes not only same sex marriage, but also civil unions AND THEIR LEGAL EQUIVALENT. They also oppose any mention of 'homosexuality' in a school environment...although the platform encourages kids to publicly announce and discuss their religious faith.
  

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  May 12, 2011 6:48 PM GMT

  mocktwinkie said

  TrentGrad said

  mocktwinkie saidThe majority of Minnesotans just vote democrat for the big government gravy but in the end the majority from both sides will just vote against more social freedom and against gay people.

  
  
  Maybe if your corporate masters and wealthy buddies didn't support the parties that encourage people to vote against gay people, it wouldn't happen!
  
  Oh, but you and your friends ALWAYS vote for gay rights...I forgot! THAT's why the Republicans usually are front and center when it comes to efforts to repeal gay rights, and are seldom openly supportive of gay rights in general!
  
  

  
  
  The only reason why business tends to support republicans is because of the free market principles they advocate. Take Target, for instance. They are very pro-gay and yet they are forced to vote Republican for their best interest business-wise.
  
  Your argument makes no sense anyway because the majority of voters in MN are democrats and they go democrat in every presidential election.

  
  
  But we're talking about gay republicans...not Target.
  
  I've known at least a few dozen wealthy gay guys and lesbians. All of them are Democrats. Every. Single. One. They don't mind paying their taxes and are very generous in supporting the gay community. Civil rights and the gay community are more important to them than a few percentage points off their taxes. They have class.
  
  In the public arena, every out and wealthy gay guy is a Democrat...and yes, their donations to liberal organizations are big enough to choke a horse. Good on them. There are a few wealthy closeted gay republicans...but they came to our attention only after their arrest in a men's bathroom or hiring a prostitute. Most of them made their fortunes at least in part by slandering the gay community. They are rotten from the inside out.
  
  I've known maybe 8 or 9 confirmed gay republicans. None of them have been wealthy, but most of them closeted. They've all been racists or haters. Typically, they separate themselves in some imaginary way from "those slutty gays" and often talk down about others...especially other gay guys. IMO...they are loaded with internalized homophobia...so membership in the republican party fits them well. As far as I'm concerned, they can have them.

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  May 12, 2011 10:15 PM GMT

  OK, the Minnesota Senate voted to put gay marriage in a public referendum in 2012. Now is the time for the pro-gay marriage crowd to get their act together and start educating the people of Minnesota about gay marriage and why a vote for allowing gay marriage will be good for Minnesota.

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  May 12, 2011 10:21 PM GMT

  White4DarkerFL said

  mocktwinkie said

  White4DarkerFL said

  mocktwinkie saidThe majority of Minnesotans just vote democrat for the big government gravy but in the end the majority from both sides will just vote against more social freedom and against gay people.

  
  
  wrong - wrong - wrong. If you count just democratic votes...these anti gay props LOSE every time.
  
  Republicans vote almost 90% to pass anti gay amendments. They are the party of bigots, haters and homophobes. And republicans elect haters too....97.5% of republicans in congress voted to keep DADT.
  
  It's ALWAYS the republican groups who put these amendments on the ballot in the first place....and then vote for them in huge numbers. Republicans=haters and bigots.
  
  FYI...this is why we need to keep republicans out of office.
  

  
  
  Wrong. Minnesota goes democratic every presidential election, that shows you that the majority of voters are democratic and therefore when a vote comes up for gay marriage there is a significant portion of democrats voting against gay marriage.

  
  
  Stockholm syndrome much?
  
  1. Obama won MN with 54% of the vote, but it's the independents who decide any election, including ballot measures.
  2. The anti-gay amendments are ALWAYS put on the ballot by republicans. They put it there to increase voter turnout among independent conservatives.
  
  The MN republican party platform opposes not only same sex marriage, but also civil unions AND THEIR LEGAL EQUIVALENT. They also oppose any mention of 'homosexuality' in a school environment...although the platform encourages kids to publicly announce and discuss their religious faith.
  

  
  
  Independent conservatives would be most likely to vote socially liberal and fiscally conservative, like me -- and therefore they would vote against such an amendment.

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  White4DarkerFL said

  mocktwinkie said

  TrentGrad said

  mocktwinkie saidThe majority of Minnesotans just vote democrat for the big government gravy but in the end the majority from both sides will just vote against more social freedom and against gay people.

  
  
  Maybe if your corporate masters and wealthy buddies didn't support the parties that encourage people to vote against gay people, it wouldn't happen!
  
  Oh, but you and your friends ALWAYS vote for gay rights...I forgot! THAT's why the Republicans usually are front and center when it comes to efforts to repeal gay rights, and are seldom openly supportive of gay rights in general!
  
  

  
  
  The only reason why business tends to support republicans is because of the free market principles they advocate. Take Target, for instance. They are very pro-gay and yet they are forced to vote Republican for their best interest business-wise.
  
  Your argument makes no sense anyway because the majority of voters in MN are democrats and they go democrat in every presidential election.

  
  
  But we're talking about gay republicans...not Target.
  
  I've known at least a few dozen wealthy gay guys and lesbians. All of them are Democrats. Every. Single. One. They don't mind paying their taxes and are very generous in supporting the gay community. Civil rights and the gay community are more important to them than a few percentage points off their taxes. They have class.
  
  In the public arena, every out and wealthy gay guy is a Democrat...and yes, their donations to liberal organizations are big enough to choke a horse. Good on them. There are a few wealthy closeted gay republicans...but they came to our attention only after their arrest in a men's bathroom or hiring a prostitute. Most of them made their fortunes at least in part by slandering the gay community. They are rotten from the inside out.
  
  I've known maybe 8 or 9 confirmed gay republicans. None of them have been wealthy, but most of them closeted. They've all been racists or haters. Typically, they separate themselves in some imaginary way from "those slutty gays" and often talk down about others...especially other gay guys. IMO...they are loaded with internalized homophobia...so membership in the republican party fits them well. As far as I'm concerned, they can have them.

  
  
  I assure you that is coincidental. I know plenty of out gay conservatives/libertarians (they don't identify as republican but they end up voting that way most of the time) who are not the way you describe, or even remotely internally homophobic.
  
  It has nothing to do with a few percentage points off of taxes, it has to do with the whole trend involved with all of the economic vs social factors taken into consideration.

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