Caslon18000 saidYour efforts may be more effective if you figure out how to mussle Caesarea4. That man can turn a proponent into an opponent faster and more completely than anybody I have ever, ever seen!
And if you are sick of it, imagine how the Palestinians feel after 60 YEARS!
You sure got this right Caslon, He is exactly after reading the most outrageous propaganda excuses for Iraeli atrocities, and his chutzpah in making such statements as "the gazans were not hungry enough to require aid according to laws of war" GOD DAMN there's enough chutzpah in making such a statement to warrant him a good fist sandwich if I were a Gazan. then some of these guys call us Israeli haters because we take the dumb fuck to task for it.
Its interesting that Jake started this topic, because while outside working in my yard, I was trying to figure out why Jews seem to always immediately jump on anyone pointing out what needs to change from Israels side, as antisemitism or that they want to see Israel destroyed. Israel seems to have this chutzpah to expect to get everything even though they stoled it, built on it and it doesn't belong to them, then in the bargaining seem to think they should get back. Then scratch their heads (so too speak) when the Palestinians say no way, and walk away from the negotiating table. Israel wants to steal their cake, keep their cake and yet eat it too. Then they wonder why they are so Isolated as C4 complained of recently. Its mindbending to figure out how these people can be so blind to their actions and yet so unable to understand the natural RE-action. Its like Israel expects to fuck over the Palestinians and fully expect to be thanked for doing it and just cannot understand why they're not thankful. LOL, MINDBENDING !!!
Like Jake said above, Land we won in 1967, like any other country. LOL !! Well sorry, this is a different world than when the US hundred + years ago was winning land by war. and there is actually quite a difference in taking land from roving bands of Indians compared to forcing Palestinians off of their established farms and homes, and by the way this is still going on. This is 2011 not 1811, (I think the US treated the Indian terribly, does that mean I hate the US and want to see it destroyed)
The world is watching and has to a large degree worn out their patience with Israel and it chutzpah in pulling off such atrocities as attacking that aid flotilla, killing nine unarmed people, one American, then sending AIPAC to get signatures from every congressman in the US they could, to get a signature from on a letter stating that it was all for 'self defense', THE HELL !! and it was illegal in that they pulled this one off in international water. The letter by the way went to Obama to influence him to help them stifle a full and complete investigation. The world watches this stuff and sees how unfair it is and its Israels own actions bringing about their Isolation.
I for one do not hate Israel, I do not want to see Israel destroyed, I don't even hate LEERON, the RJ ZIONIST PROPAGANDIST IN CHIEF. I would like for Jake to quote where I hate anyone here, and who is it that he can quote saying they want israel destroyed. there is one who lost his mother to a God damned Israeli Sniper who might, but I don't even think he's said He wants Israel destroyed.
Jake, take your blinders off, and thereby quit equating thorough disgust with ZIONIST PROPAGANDA as LEERON dishes with hating ISRAEL. That Propaganda happens to be used to cover up many an Israeli atrocity, so that is why many of us expose those atrocities to counter their being hidden for the sake of making Palestinians always look like the villain and Israel the victim when actuality has it that Israel is the real aggressor. WHO IS STEALING WHOSE LAND, WHO IS DESTROYING WHOSE HOMES, WHO IS BUILDING SETTLEMENTS ON WHOSE STOLEN LAND.
Jake why aren't you one of the Gay Jewish guys pushing for Israel to stop this shit, why aren't you trying to convince LEERON to stop the rediculous PROPAGANDA to make Israeli wrongs right and the settlements OK because after all as he says, Palestine never was a country anyway, so its not stealing to force Palestinians off their places so ZIONIST SETTLERS can build settlements on Palestinian land. And he does this like some robot, that has some damn book in its fucking computer brain without feeling, then calls the Palestinian who calls him on his tactics, a fool, stupid, hater for his cause, liar for his cause, and the list goes on and on. So is your support with this ZIONIST PROPAGANDA to cover up Israeli atrocities or are you for some common sense, give and take, good faith negotiations where the settlement building stops completely ?
You will have to face it, that here on RJ is just like real life in Israel, there is a source of continuous acts that are counter to Palestinians living in peace, and that bring about push back, wrong actions bring reactions, stop causeing the problem and there won't be all the push back and reactions that your seeing here on RJ to LEERONS bullshit PROPAGANDA, and the same with Israel, stop stomping on the Palestinians rights and the push back, the retaliations will stop. When you and several others stop making excuses for the mistreatment of the Palestinians you will see a totally different reaction. Like Jaym86 said above, Israel has some blame in this. Its also time your realize that the ZIONIST ZEALOTS HAVE IN THE PAST AND ARE NOW manipulating facts and the reality on the ground to make the Palestinians look like all the problem and NO THE PALESTINIANS ARE NOT THE MAIN PROBLEM. FACE IT !!! THE REST OF THE WORLD SEES IT, Most now in the US are seeing through Israels coverups, and are against those billions of dollars going to Israel, They are disgusted with AIPAC's influence on Congressmen. Had Israel actually sought peace in the last decade in good faith while actually completely haulting the settlement building, the US citizenry wouldn't have been against Israel, like they are now. Polls show what I am saying. So why can't you Israeli's see it, therein lays the reason for Israels Isolation.