Looks like Walker is bringing results to the Badger State - Wisconsin jumps ahead in a new CEO survey

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    May 16, 2011 9:49 PM GMT
    Wall Street Journal, Review & Outlook, May 16, 2011
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703730804576313353241550130.html?mod=ITP_opinion_2

    The verdict is still out on the political staying power of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's collective bargaining and other reforms. But if the opinion of American business counts for anything, he's already helped the Badger State.

    Chief Executive magazine recently completed its annual survey of CEOs on the best and worst states for business. The 500 CEOs graded the states on taxes and regulation, the quality of the work force and living environment, among other categories. Wisconsin made the biggest jump of any state, and one of the largest in the history of the survey, rising to 24th from 41st in 2010 and 43rd in 2009. Louisiana continued its rise, moving up 13 spots to 27th on the basis of its improvements in tax climate and deregulation. Indiana moved up 10 spots to sixth.

    The Wisconsin jump is especially notable because Mr. Walker and a new GOP legislature only took office in January. This suggests that Big Labor's attempt to make Mr. Walker a national political target had the ironic result of making Wisconsin more appealing to business executives. "Indiana and Wisconsin's governors have been outspoken about wanting to be more business friendly," says Chief Executive director for digital media Michael Bamberger.

    CEOs don't make investment decisions based solely on such impressions, but they can get a state a hearing it might not have previously received. Wisconsin still ranked 33rd among all states for taxation, and its grades on other categories didn't change radically. But a company's relationship with employees was also on CEOs' minds. "Rules that make it hard, if not impossible, to separate from a non-productive employee make companies fearful to hire or locate in a state," one CEO wrote.

    Texas led the survey for the seventh straight year, followed by North Carolina, Florida, Tennessee and Georgia. As for the five worst states, you will not be surprised to learn that they are, in descending order, Michigan, New Jersey, Illinois, New York and California. Tax-raising Illinois has dropped 40 places in five years and, as the magazine puts it, "is now in a death spiral."

    If this survey is any guide, and if his reforms can survive and expand, Mr. Walker may save Wisconsin from a similar fate.
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    May 16, 2011 10:17 PM GMT
    are you su-prised at this?




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    any state to where Big Business can receive the blessing of the governor to move in, receive lower taxes, smash the union's wage scale and in general take...take....take....and give nothing back will make these fat cats happy.
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    May 16, 2011 10:22 PM GMT
    Yeh, I'm waiting to see what the voters have to say, next time around. The vast majority of voters are vehemently against what Walker and his fellow Republicans did to teachers, firemen, and cops. It had nothing to do with fiscal responsibility, and everything to do with union busting.
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    May 16, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
    rnch saidare you su-prised at this?
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    any state to where Big Business can receive the blessing of the governor to move in, receive lower taxes, smash the union's wage scale and in general take...take....take....and give nothing back will make these fat cats happy.

    This happens to be what creates jobs. Jobs in the private sector that will ultimate grow the economy and provide revenue for the state. That and the jobs are what they give back. Keep this lesson in mind when you ask where the jobs are.
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    May 16, 2011 10:47 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    rnch saidare you su-prised at this?
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    any state to where Big Business can receive the blessing of the governor to move in, receive lower taxes, smash the union's wage scale and in general take...take....take....and give nothing back will make these fat cats happy.

    This happens to be what creates jobs. Jobs in the private sector that will ultimate grow the economy and provide revenue for the state. Keep this lesson in mind when you ask where the jobs are.



    jobs....at minimum wage...with little/no benefits....


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    May 16, 2011 10:48 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    rnch saidare you su-prised at this?
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    any state to where Big Business can receive the blessing of the governor to move in, receive lower taxes, smash the union's wage scale and in general take...take....take....and give nothing back will make these fat cats happy.

    This happens to be what creates jobs. Jobs in the private sector that will ultimate grow the economy and provide revenue for the state. Keep this lesson in mind when you ask where the jobs are.


    Incorrect. And their opinion means that Walker has sufficiently ravaged his state so the corporate predators can dine on the leftovers.

    The "Rich" don't create jobs. We do.

    http://www.truthout.org/actually-rich-dont-create-jobs-we-do/1305380742

    "I used to own a business and have been in senior positions at other businesses, and I know many others who have started and operated businesses of all sizes. I can tell you from direct experience that I tried very hard to employ the right number of people. What I mean by this is that when there were lots of customers I would add people to meet the demand. And when demand slacked off I had to let people go.

    If I had extra money I wouldn't just hire people to sit around and read the paper. And if I had more customers than I could handle that -- the revenue generated by meeting the additional demand from the extra customers -- is what would pay for employing more people to meet the demand. It is a pretty simple equation:

    you employ the right number of people to meet the demand your business has.

    If you ask around you will find that every business tries to employ the right number of people to meet the demand. Any business owner or manager will tell you that they hire based on need, not on how much they have in the bank.

    Lots of regular people having money to spend is what creates jobs and businesses. That is the basic idea of demand-side economics and it works. In a consumer-driven economy designed to serve people, regular people with money in their pockets is what keeps everything going. And the equal opportunity of democracy with its reinvestment in infrastructure and education and the other fruits of democracy is fundamental to keeping a demand-side economy functioning.

    When all the money goes to a few at the top everything breaks down. Taxing the people at the top and reinvesting the money into the democratic society is fundamental to keeping things going."
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    May 16, 2011 10:51 PM GMT
    socalfitness is advocating a return to the magic pro-business economic sweat shop climate of the year 1909.


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    May 16, 2011 11:00 PM GMT
    socalfitness said Wisconsin made the biggest jump of any state, and one of the largest in the history of the survey, rising to 24th from 41st in 2010 and 43rd in 2009.
    Scott Walker assumed office January 3, 2011

    Guess your baloney doesnt add up. 2010 was before Walker.
    Oopsie!
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    May 16, 2011 11:03 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    socalfitness said
    This happens to be what creates jobs. Jobs in the private sector that will ultimate grow the economy and provide revenue for the state. That and the jobs are what they give back. Keep this lesson in mind when you ask where the jobs are.



    LIES! LIES! LIES!

    BS! BS! BS!





    LMAO @ southbeach jane disagreeing with his political broly.


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    May 16, 2011 11:11 PM GMT
    rnch saidsocalfitness is advocating a return to the magic pro-business economic sweat shop climate of the year 1909.




    Wow, with logic like that, you must work for government - or at least a job that is completely detached from the such trivial issues as value, accountability and customers.
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    May 16, 2011 11:33 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said Wisconsin made the biggest jump of any state, and one of the largest in the history of the survey, rising to 24th from 41st in 2010 and 43rd in 2009.
    Scott Walker assumed office January 3, 2011

    Guess your baloney doesnt add up. 2010 was before Walker.
    Oopsie!

    What is oopsie is your reading skills

    24th today. That would be 2011. I know, today wasn't stated, so you got confused. Poor baby..... Hello, anyone home????
    41st 2010
    43rd 2009

    If you go to chief executive.net, link Best/Worst States for Business, you will see in a table column headings 2011 and 2010.
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    May 16, 2011 11:46 PM GMT
    "you can prove ANYTHING with statistics!"--a quote from that immortal wit and bard, Homer J. Simpson.
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    rnch saidsocalfitness is advocating a return to the magic pro-business economic sweat shop climate of the year 1909.


    Wow, with logic like that, you must work for government - or at least a job that is completely detached from the such trivial issues as value, accountability and customers.

    If I recall correctly, he did state at one time that he was a public employee. That explains a lot, but there are many public employees who do understand the benefits and role of the private sector. Just not all of them.
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    rnch said"you can prove ANYTHING with statistics!"--a quote from that immortal wit and bard, Homer J. Simpson.


    Are you saying that statistics then as an area of study should be dismissed entirely because you don't understand them?
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    rnch said"you can prove ANYTHING with statistics!"--a quote from that immortal wit and bard, Homer J. Simpson.


    Are you saying that statistics then as an area of study should be dismissed entirely because you don't understand them?

    It is just something to say when you must say something but have nothing meaningful to say and little understanding of the discussion.
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    May 17, 2011 12:04 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]socalfitness said...It is just something to say when you must say something but have nothing meaningful to say and little understanding of the discussion.[/quote]


    much like most of socal's cut & pasted flurry of impressive words, numbers and graphs that don't prove much in the Real World.
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    May 17, 2011 12:08 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    riddler78 said
    rnch saidsocalfitness is advocating a return to the magic pro-business economic sweat shop climate of the year 1909.


    Wow, with logic like that, you must work for government - or at least a job that is completely detached from the such trivial issues as value, accountability and customers.

    If I recall correctly, he did state at one time that he was a public employee. That explains a lot, but there are many public employees who do understand the benefits and role of the private sector. Just not all of them.


    Yeah, those awful public employees who arrest criminals, put out fires, pick up your garbage, stop terrorists, find missing children, teach the majority of kids for a pittance, protect our country. They're just awful. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I'm glad you're finally being so naked in your derision for them. I've always suspected that you felt superior to them for what you probably imagine is your hard work, but you wouldn't condescend to do most of those "icky" jobs, which proves who inferior a human being to them you actually are.

    Give me working class, blue collar union boys over greedy, self-important douche bags any day of the week.
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    May 17, 2011 12:15 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    riddler78 said
    rnch saidsocalfitness is advocating a return to the magic pro-business economic sweat shop climate of the year 1909.


    Wow, with logic like that, you must work for government - or at least a job that is completely detached from the such trivial issues as value, accountability and customers.

    If I recall correctly, he did state at one time that he was a public employee. That explains a lot, but there are many public employees who do understand the benefits and role of the private sector. Just not all of them.


    Yeah, those awful public employees who arrest criminals, put out fires, pick up your garbage, stop terrorists, find missing children, teach the majority of kids for a pittance, protect our country. They're just awful. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I'm glad you're finally being so naked in your derision for them. I've always suspected that you felt superior to them for what you probably imagine is your hard work, but you wouldn't condescend to do most of those "icky" jobs, which proves who inferior a human being to them you actually are.

    Give me working class, blue collar union boys over greedy, self-important douche bags any day of the week.

    False again. I have nothing against the rank and file public employees, especially the public safety workers and teachers. My derision is directed at those extremists who do not understand the benefits of the private sector. I don't really have anything against the union bosses. They are trying to get the most for their members. They just wanted too much, and needed to be stopped.
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    May 17, 2011 1:10 AM GMT
    Glad to be living in Wisconsin! Although, admittedly, Walker shouldn't have been so drastic so fast and he should have at least sat down and created dialogue.
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    May 17, 2011 1:18 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidGlad to be living in Wisconsin! Although, admittedly, Walker shouldn't have been so drastic so fast and he should have at least sat down and created dialogue.


    Especially seeing as how it sounded like the public sector workers were willing to compromise to help solve the budget problems.

    But hey...good to hear you favoured dialogue between the public workers and the government.
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    May 17, 2011 1:50 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    riddler78 said
    rnch saidsocalfitness is advocating a return to the magic pro-business economic sweat shop climate of the year 1909.


    Wow, with logic like that, you must work for government - or at least a job that is completely detached from the such trivial issues as value, accountability and customers.

    If I recall correctly, he did state at one time that he was a public employee. That explains a lot, but there are many public employees who do understand the benefits and role of the private sector. Just not all of them.


    Yeah, those awful public employees who arrest criminals, put out fires, pick up your garbage, stop terrorists, find missing children, teach the majority of kids for a pittance, protect our country. They're just awful. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I'm glad you're finally being so naked in your derision for them. I've always suspected that you felt superior to them for what you probably imagine is your hard work, but you wouldn't condescend to do most of those "icky" jobs, which proves who inferior a human being to them you actually are.

    Give me working class, blue collar union boys over greedy, self-important douche bags any day of the week.

    False again. I have nothing against the rank and file public employees, especially the public safety workers and teachers. My derision is directed at those extremists who do not understand the benefits of the private sector. I don't really have anything against the union bosses. They are trying to get the most for their members. They just wanted too much, and needed to be stopped.


    Nope. It's a nice try but this isn't the first time you or your brethren have sneered at a public employee. Even in your defense you distinguish between what you find acceptable public employees versus "extremists" who rejected Walker's naked attempts to use a self-induced economic crisis to continue the transfer of wealth from the workers to the oligarchs.

    In other words, EPIC FAIL.
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    May 17, 2011 3:00 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidGlad to be living in Wisconsin! Although, admittedly, Walker shouldn't have been so drastic so fast and he should have at least sat down and created dialogue.


    You mean like former Rep. Gov. Tommy Thompson? Man, I miss the good old days when both parties could get together and hammer out a deal. When you compare the two, Walker's lack of character is glaring. I'm proud to say I voted across my party loyalties for Tommy Thompson (once).
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    mocktwinkie saidGlad to be living in Wisconsin! Although, admittedly, Walker shouldn't have been so drastic so fast and he should have at least sat down and created dialogue.


    You mean like former Rep. Gov. Tommy Thompson? Man, I miss the good old days when both parties could get together and hammer out a deal. When you compare the two, Walker's lack of character is glaring. I'm proud to say I voted across my party loyalties for Tommy Thompson (once).


    Well, Walker seemed to have gotten a little arrogant. He kind of did what Obama tried doing but the opposite way, too soon and too fast.

    In the end though, I am in favor of the outcome because I think that unions have been riding the gravy train for far too long.