Physicist Stephen Hawking rejects heaven or afterlife as a 'fairy story'

  • metta

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    May 17, 2011 7:12 PM GMT
    Physicist Stephen Hawking rejects heaven or afterlife as a 'fairy story'


    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/05/cosmologist-stephen-hawking-rejects-heaven-or-afterlife-as-a-fairy-story/1?csp=hf
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    May 17, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
    theantijock saidHe's more interesting when he speculates based upon what he does know than when he asserts based upon what he does not.


    You are incredibly mistaken. There is no human alive better qualified to talk about the history of the universe, its beginnings and the lack of necessity of a God.
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    May 17, 2011 10:59 PM GMT
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    May 17, 2011 10:59 PM GMT
    wth...This came up when I voted >_>
    Do you agree with Hawking?
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    May 18, 2011 1:32 AM GMT
    theantijock said
    TigerTim said
    theantijock saidHe's more interesting when he speculates based upon what he does know than when he asserts based upon what he does not.


    You are incredibly mistaken. There is no human alive better qualified to talk about the history of the universe, its beginnings and the lack of necessity of a God.


    How curious that I could be mistaken as to when I find something more or less interesting. I anticipate your list of things that should interest me.


    You misread what I wrote. You were claiming that he is asserting what on what he does not know. You are incorrect in your claim.
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    May 18, 2011 4:46 AM GMT
    TigerTim said
    theantijock said
    TigerTim said
    theantijock saidHe's more interesting when he speculates based upon what he does know than when he asserts based upon what he does not.


    You are incredibly mistaken. There is no human alive better qualified to talk about the history of the universe, its beginnings and the lack of necessity of a God.


    How curious that I could be mistaken as to when I find something more or less interesting. I anticipate your list of things that should interest me.


    You misread what I wrote. You were claiming that he is asserting what on what he does not know. You are incorrect in your claim.


    Not necessarily true.

    He is a scientist - a theoretical physicist.

    He is well qualified to speak on various scientific theories about the beginning of the universe. He can even opine about why he feels that there is no god or gods.

    But despite all of his knowledge of theoretical physics, he can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God.
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    May 18, 2011 4:59 AM GMT
    alphatrigger said...But despite all of his knowledge of theoretical physics, he can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God.


    I have little hope for our species to understand--much less embrace--critical thinking, particularly as it pertains to this "debate".

    However, in the hopes that someone on the edge of reason has the capacity to comprehend, here goes:

    Science never seeks to disprove anything. Science never seeks to disprove anything. Science never seeks to disprove anything. Science never seeks to disprove anything. Science never seeks to disprove anything. Science never seeks to disprove anything. Science never seeks to disprove anything. Science never seeks to disprove anything.

    Science seeks proofs/observation. Science seeks replicable evidence. In the absence of proof, little time is wasted on "belief". Please learn this. Nobody is attempting to disprove God. It's up to God to prove himself, or believers to prove God. Science never seeks to disprove anything.
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    May 18, 2011 5:05 AM GMT
    arguing about god and heaven is no better than killing someone over who has the best invisible friend.
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    May 18, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
    TigerTim said
    theantijock saidHe's more interesting when he speculates based upon what he does know than when he asserts based upon what he does not.


    You are incredibly mistaken. There is no human alive better qualified to talk about the history of the universe, its beginnings and the lack of necessity of a God.


    But still he can not offer any hard core, or solid proof, there is no after life.

    it's not a concern for me, as my bed would be already made, and if there is nothing, then I will never know about it. It's not a fixation of mine. But he there is an after life people worry, people gloat, and the same could be said about death; for me it's whatever.
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    May 18, 2011 5:15 AM GMT
    Some may say that creation (that is, the perceivable universe) itself is proof of a Creator.

    But this argument is probably as pointless as debating how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, or some other such nonsense.
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    May 18, 2011 5:16 AM GMT
    I believe Mount Olympus is a fairy story. I doubt anyone from this century believe it does exist but if anybody does how would you prove them wrong? The likelihood of afterlife is comparable to that of Mount Olympus. You can philosophically argue against whether we do exist or not or whether your friends are a projection in your brain triggered by the matrix, in the end when you want to get out of your house you still use the door, you dont try to go through the wall...
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    May 18, 2011 5:19 AM GMT
    alphatrigger saidSome may say that creation (that is, the perceivable universe) itself is proof of a Creator.

    But this argument is probably as pointless as debating how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, or some other such nonsense.


    A creator with such extraordinary power to create a universe would require a second creator 100000000 times more powerful than itself and so on. However if the "creator" doesnt have to be "created" in order to exist then why does the universe?
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    May 18, 2011 5:21 AM GMT
    oh dear god. not another religion debate. Fighting about religion is so retarded.
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    May 18, 2011 5:38 AM GMT
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    May 18, 2011 5:42 AM GMT
    Flying Spaghetti Monster ftw.
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    May 18, 2011 6:22 AM GMT
    alphatrigger saidSome may say that creation (that is, the perceivable universe) itself is proof of a Creator.


    Well, we can agree that there is a universe, but calling it "creation" is begging the question. I'm sure you realize that. icon_smile.gif
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    May 18, 2011 6:32 AM GMT
    lol the poll is pretty accurate. Basically 50/50, you either believe in "god" and the concept of Christianity or you dont.
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    May 18, 2011 6:38 AM GMT
    dekiruman saidoh dear god. not another religion debate. Fighting about religion is so retarded.


    In general, it is a waste a time to try and change peoples minds about religion. It is however, sometimes interesting to try and understand why a person believes what they do. Once someone believes something that has been ingrained in them, it is almost impossible for them to change. That goes with religion as well as politics, which has for some people, become almost a religion unto itself. And realizing this, it can sometimes be helpful to look for these things in ourselves when we look an issue.

    Links to Spirituality Found in the Brain
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    May 18, 2011 6:57 AM GMT
    Steven Hawking is just a man like the rest of us. We're all entitled to an opinion. Either agree with him or disagree. No need for people to start bitching at each other.
    For the record, I disagree with him. My choice. I welcome opposing arguments but they won't change what I believe. Just like my arguments won't change the beliefs of the non-believers.
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    May 18, 2011 7:10 AM GMT
    k3l3k0 saidSteven Hawking is just a man like the rest of us. We're all entitled to an opinion. Either agree with him or disagree. No need for people to start bitching at each other.
    For the record, I disagree with him. My choice. I welcome opposing arguments but they won't change what I believe. Just like my arguments won't change the beliefs of the non-believers.


    So essentially, you're a willful idiot!
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    May 18, 2011 7:19 AM GMT
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    k3l3k0 saidSteven Hawking is just a man like the rest of us. We're all entitled to an opinion. Either agree with him or disagree. No need for people to start bitching at each other.
    For the record, I disagree with him. My choice. I welcome opposing arguments but they won't change what I believe. Just like my arguments won't change the beliefs of the non-believers.


    So essentially, you're a willful idiot!


    haha you're a fucking loser
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    May 18, 2011 7:22 AM GMT
    theantijock said
    Tiger Tim. I read you clearly, but thank you for checking up on me. Like every one, Hawking only knows what he knows. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. Here he has made an assertion based upon what he does not know. It is wonderful that you think him the one person who knows the unknowable. That must be comforting for you, like religion.

    Alphatrigger has captured the subtlety of my original remark. Aside from Mickey taking Alpha's statement to remind all what science seeks, Alpha never says that Hawking sought to prove or to disprove God. Nor did he suggest utilizing science to disprove or even to prove. But it is good to know the limits of science.


    Again you're misreading me, and I don't think you understand the philosophy of science as well as you imagine.

    Your assertion that "Here he has made an assertion based upon what he does not know." is as unfalsifiable as Hawking's. And considerably less interesting.

    I do not think that it is controversial—indeed St Thomas Aquinas actually said as much—that to understand the Creator one must understand what is Created. It is unquestionable that Hawking, more than most of us, has a profound understand of the Creation. I think that qualifies him to have an opinion on the Creator, and because of his knowledge it is most certainly an interesting one.

    In any case, I have had the displeasure to read many people make similar comments. I am supremely doubtful that they have the capability of understanding Hawking's scientific work, so I am doubtful of the claim that they find it more interesting than his theological thoughts.
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    May 18, 2011 7:22 AM GMT
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    TigerTim said
    k3l3k0 saidSteven Hawking is just a man like the rest of us. We're all entitled to an opinion. Either agree with him or disagree. No need for people to start bitching at each other.
    For the record, I disagree with him. My choice. I welcome opposing arguments but they won't change what I believe. Just like my arguments won't change the beliefs of the non-believers.


    So essentially, you're a willful idiot!


    haha you're a fucking loser


    Classy—and wrong!
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    May 18, 2011 7:23 AM GMT
    I don't agree with the guy calling you an idiot but why would you say you welcome opposing arguments if you've already decided beforehand that you won't change your mind? What's the point of the that?
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    May 18, 2011 7:29 AM GMT
    TigerTim said
    k3l3k0 said
    TigerTim said
    k3l3k0 saidSteven Hawking is just a man like the rest of us. We're all entitled to an opinion. Either agree with him or disagree. No need for people to start bitching at each other.
    For the record, I disagree with him. My choice. I welcome opposing arguments but they won't change what I believe. Just like my arguments won't change the beliefs of the non-believers.


    So essentially, you're a willful idiot!


    haha you're a fucking loser


    Classy—and wrong!


    Oh no I'm definitely right.