Puppy Killings now? REALLY!?

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    Apr 09, 2008 12:37 AM GMT
    I'm not sure how many of you have heard of David Motari, or seen the video on youtube of him mercilessly and guiltlessly throwing a puppy off of a cliff in Iraq - I just can't believe that this clip continues to be on youtube (I'm not embedding it here...you can find it yourself). It just outrages me that this man, who is part of the Army, is basically not being reprimanded at all for this act of inhumanity. I know, I know, hundreds of people are murdered each day, and what with war, blah blah blah - OK, yes I realize that, but I guess the thing here is that this defenseless puppy was killed ON camera, FOR FUN, and it just makes me sick.

    heres a link to stuff about him http://www.realjock.com/newtopic/50/

    What are ya'll feelings on this? Seems a lot of people are angry because its getting more attention than most human deaths in Iraq.


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    Apr 09, 2008 12:49 AM GMT
    I don't think I can watch the video. There mere idea of it makes me physically ill. Many people argue that an animals life is not as important as a human. Or an act of violence against an animal is less relevant. I believe that being able to act in that manner against animals taps into the most vile and dark capabilities of humans.
    Animals are defenseless against human rage. If an individual is capable of killing a puppy I believe he/she is a coward with the rage to kill, but too much of a coward to attack someone/thing that will fight back.

    All my dogs (4) have been victims of severe abuse. Their trauma is as real as the experiences of any human being.
    I am sorry to get so emotional, but this hits a nerve.

    Thanks for creating awareness.
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    Apr 09, 2008 6:08 AM GMT
    hmmmm...I'm not surprised at all. I don't really think that highly of most marines.

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    Apr 09, 2008 7:15 AM GMT
    I've seen mentions of the video and have seen part of its inclusion in a news report (I think).

    My feelings on it are multiple:
    I consider human lives to generally be more important than canine lives, so the murder of one particular puppy doesn't horrify me nearly as much as the rapes and murders committed by failures among the service personnel.

    I think the murder of a puppy is pathetic, a display of power informed by inadequacy (granted, this comes from the idea that murder is not the norm and should not be the norm).

    That he isn't being reprimanded is hardly a surprise from a logistics(?) point-of-view. He killed a puppy, which is hardly on par with other forms of abuses that have permitted or encouraged. However, from a PR point, this seems like a yet another blunder from a remarkably stupid or arrogant or brilliantly scheming US military. People, by and large, love puppies and detest puppy killers; having a member not merely kill a puppy, but videotape it and upload it onto the Internet, is just more poison to the appreciation of the US military at home and abroad.
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    Apr 09, 2008 7:25 AM GMT
    Many serial killers start out killing animals just for shits and giggles. I have no idea if he has the right psychological recipe simmering in his cretinous skull to push him all the way there, but it should give anyone who personally knows him something to think about. He might put friends and family in shallow graves in an unfinished cellar or in the fridge if they aren't careful.
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    Apr 09, 2008 7:38 AM GMT
    I can't watch something like that.

    My feelings about this are pretty strong. I consider ALL life to be sacred, first and foremost. Animals are not on this planet to be abused, and I personally feel that anyone that does abuse them should be subjected to the same treatment. For example, if they toss a puppy off a bridge, then they should be tossed off a bridge. If they toss a cat into a pack of hungry dogs, then someone should toss them into a pack of hungry dogs. Sort of an "instant karma" kind of thing. It might sound extreme, but anyone that would abuse an animal is a cruel and heartless person and should get what they give.

    Some would argue that a human life is more valuable, but in my opinion, all life has equal value... it is life... it is precious and sacred... and it is not something to be destroyed "for fun" or taken lightly.

    I have two dogs and a cat. I'm completely anti-violence. But I guarantee you that I would become violent real fast if anyone tried to harm them. There is no justification for animal abuse, and I have no respect for anyone that does it.
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    Apr 09, 2008 9:51 AM GMT
    RBY71 saidMany serial killers start out killing animals just for shits and giggles. I have no idea if he has the right psychological recipe simmering in his cretinous skull to push him all the way there, but it should give anyone who personally knows him something to think about. He might put friends and family in shallow graves in an unfinished cellar or in the fridge if they aren't careful.


    Spot on. Unnecessary cruelty to animals masks an underlying psychopathy.

    I say, throw David Motari off the cliff too! icon_mad.gif
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    Apr 09, 2008 3:16 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]NativeDude said[/cite]I can't watch something like that.

    My feelings about this are pretty strong. I consider ALL life to be sacred, first and foremost. Animals are not on this planet to be abused,

    You are so right. This hierarchy of importance is so artificial. Life is so precious in every form.
    If you don't think a puppy's life is as important as our place yourself in it's shoes as its being thrown off a cliff. If you are able to empathize it becomes clear.

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    Jun 12, 2008 8:55 PM GMT
    Here is an update on this story....surprised to hear they actually did something...

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/12/marine.puppy/index.html
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    Jun 12, 2008 9:21 PM GMT
    Well so it should get more attension than the human deaths in Iraq!

    Since One is a non breeder.
    Since One will not leave my sperm behind too inherit this earth. That will add to the urban sprawl and make even more animals homeless.

    One Owes mankind nothing!

    Yet we are ALL responsible for the animal world. That for so long has been driven to extiction because of our fashion, our greed, Our irresponsible breeding.


    Sorry but since humans are meant to be of the intelagent species. We are all responsible for the care, and extinction of the animal world.

    Yes this is disturbing..........and he should go to jail. Lets just hope he never breeds.
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    Jun 12, 2008 9:43 PM GMT
    Just so everyone knows...in case you didn't read the link above, he was punished and tossed out of the Marines. He received non-judicial punishment and is being discharged. He will most likely not be eligible for Veterans benefits, so his punishment will basically follow him for the rest of his life, as it should. A second Marine was also punished in the matter.
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    Jun 12, 2008 10:00 PM GMT
    icon_cry.gif R.I.P. (puppy) icon_cry.gif
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    Jun 12, 2008 11:03 PM GMT
    I thought it was said to be a fake movie... doctored etc.


    If it really happened it is sad but not as sad as all the civilians that got killed and raped by our soldiers. Yeah that part of the picture never quite makes it here.

    See it all here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuHCnHqNvT0&NR=1
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    Jun 13, 2008 10:32 AM GMT
    First off ... I don't want to come off as saying that most Marines are socio-paths
    most of them have been thrown into a VERY precarious situation that has no end in site and most don't really want to be there

    but this just shows what kind of people we have going over there
    1 in 10 people in Iraq are physically or mentally incapable of doing the job
    Like they didn't see a warning sign about a guy like this when he signed up?

    Hearts and Minds folks ... Hearts and Minds
    So a guy like this goes then to a school and gives out candy??? icon_confused.gif
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    Jun 13, 2008 11:56 AM GMT
    Lay off the guy. He just killed a stupid dog.

    You know, if you own a dog you can kill it at any time for any reason as long as you do it in a humane way.

    Throwing a dog off a cliff is a quick painless death.

    Assuming he owned the dog, then he did nothing wrong.

    If it was someone else's dog then he should be made to reimburse the owner for the value of the dog.

    If it was just a stray, then he saved the dog from suffering.

    Lighten up. It was just a dumb animal.

    With all the actual human suffering going on in Iraq, this incident is completely insignificant.
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    Jun 13, 2008 12:27 PM GMT
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    Lighten up. It was just a dumb animal.


    Don't you see the line of thought this leads to?

    'Lighten up, we're just nuking a japanese city'

    'Lighten up, we're just wiping out a few kurdish villages'

    'Lighten up, we're just torturing the jews'

    'Lighten up, we're just bombing americans'

    'Lighten up, the cyclone just hit Myanmar'



    ...



    'Lighten up, it's not you and me, it's just somebody else'
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    Jun 13, 2008 1:04 PM GMT
    Dishonorable discharge and jail time.
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    Jun 13, 2008 1:31 PM GMT
    I remember this story, and won't be looking for that video - ever. Fake or not, he should be punished to the max because it's completely heinous.

    I don't even like to think about it, because the more I do - the more I realize I have more regard for the lives of animals than I do for people. Okay, maybe "lives" is a bit exaggerated... let's say "well being".
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    Jun 13, 2008 1:36 PM GMT
    JohnnyDThrowing a dog off a cliff is a quick painless death.


    May you be blessed with the same luck as the puppy.

    What makes this so horrible has nothing to do with it's relative horribleness to human pain and death, but that this was not a life on which war had been declared as it has on life in Iraq. It shows the bully in his true form. The absolutely most vulnerable of all, a baby of some species, unable to defend itself at all is the target of this schmuck. I doubt he'd have had the same bravado had that been an adult pitbull.
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    Jun 13, 2008 2:26 PM GMT
    How disconnected can you be from the rest of the goings on in your own back yard that you would take to branding people sociopaths for the mistreatment of an animal. This is the exact same thing that happened with Michael Vick.... Abusing animals is so commonplace that we have forces in every major city designated only to animal abuse. Not to mention all of the other various non profit animal protection agencies in the country.
    Replace the puppy with a veal calf or a baby pig or an arthritic dairy cow forced into pregnancy every 10 months to supply milk for a baby that is taken away so that you can drink the milk while the veal calf is chained to a small dark crate, and underfed. Licking the chain around its neck for iron because it is so deficient. But that is ok?
    If he ate that puppy would it be better?
    Some people do this for a living and are never scrutinized or even thought of.
    Listen , this video breaks my heart, but why a puppy represents all that is good and wholesome and larger smarter animals aren't even paid attention to, confuses me. Go into any major university lab and monkeys have there skulls cut open or have huge tumors on their vital organs. Like when caslon posted the video of abused cows and people were surprised. This crap happens EVERY DAY in your own f*cking country often at your local university and you say nothing. But a marine abuses ONE animal and you and legions of watchers on youtube are beyond disgusted.

    In one instance you can point the finger at someone else and feel better.
    In the other scenario you have to point the finger at yourself and that doesn't feel good, so you say and do nothing. It confounds me how compassionate people will turn a blind eye to things so that they don't have to modify anything about their lives to spare another living creature pain and misery.

    Go to a pet store and buy a boutique puppy from a mill while an unwanted puppy is put to sleep at the humane society or PETA. Hmmm... do I want a labradoodle or a puggle? hmm... decisions , decisions. "what do you mean he threw a puppy off a cliff? someone should throw HIS ass off a cliff"
    Do you guys take discover?

    This is the last place I ever want to say my true feelings about animal welfare. Anyone who says anything is branded as a fanatic looney. I just have to accept that it comes with the territory. But it blows my mind that people care about a puppy in Iraq above the animals that feed you every g*d damned day. Compassion vs. Greed. All of this is connected.

    "All things are connected like the blood which unites one family. Whatever befalls the Earth befalls the sons [and daughters] of the Earth."

    Chief Seattle of the Duwamish Tribe


  • Jun 13, 2008 2:54 PM GMT
    JohnnyD saidLay off the guy. He just killed a stupid dog.

    You know, if you own a dog you can kill it at any time for any reason as long as you do it in a humane way.

    Throwing a dog off a cliff is a quick painless death.

    Assuming he owned the dog, then he did nothing wrong.

    If it was someone else's dog then he should be made to reimburse the owner for the value of the dog.

    If it was just a stray, then he saved the dog from suffering.

    Lighten up. It was just a dumb animal.

    With all the actual human suffering going on in Iraq, this incident is completely insignificant.



    Your one of those war supporters, well to make you feel a little better of how ignorant you just sounded, the people who die in the war understand the possibility and they sign up on their own free will. Do they deserve to die, no BUT none-the-less they do know that death is a possibility. Now as for the dog, I dont ever recall something that can feel pain ever enlisting to be thrown off a cliff.
    I personally hate dogs, but animals may not be able to talk yet they can feel peoples emotions, they can cry, and yes they are alive. You may see something and think of it as a dumb animal, well who is the animal? The crazy dude that just threw a helpless animal off a cliff, you then should know that alot of these war guys are traumatized and your little war hero first starts with dogs, and next thing you know in the U.S. he throws children off cliffs.
    For you to see something right in this seems wrong, you have a right to your opinion, and as much as people see me as heartless, at least i know the difference in things that are right and wrong.
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    Jun 13, 2008 3:11 PM GMT
    GQjock saidFirst off ... I don't want to come off as saying that most Marines are socio-paths
    most of them have been thrown into a VERY precarious situation that has no end in site and most don't really want to be there

    but this just shows what kind of people we have going over there
    1 in 10 people in Iraq are physically or mentally incapable of doing the job
    Like they didn't see a warning sign about a guy like this when he signed up?

    Hearts and Minds folks ... Hearts and Minds
    So a guy like this goes then to a school and gives out candy??? icon_confused.gif


    With all due respect, but you did make it seem like Marines are sociopaths, a charge which I dispute. Could provide me what evidence you have that 1 in 10 of the people serving over there are mentally and physically incapable of doing the job? What that Marine did is wrong certainly. He doesn't represent the ideals we are taught, and is always the case, when guys like that exist, their true nature eventually comes out and we deal with them. But I'm sure a quick search of the news on any day would allow you to find these kinds of acts done by kids all over this country. And any true sociopath would be able to hide the "warning signs" until it is too late and puppies are being tossed off cliffs.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 13, 2008 3:17 PM GMT
    The SOB should have been kicked off the cliff himself for such a thing.

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    Jun 13, 2008 3:19 PM GMT
    JohnnyD saidLay off the guy. He just killed a stupid dog.

    With all the actual human suffering going on in Iraq, this incident is completely insignificant.


    Unfortunate you don't understand the reality of this.. it isn't just the act.. its what it means, the lack of compassion, the lack of anything. It IS significant and this commentary isn't stupid..

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    Jun 13, 2008 3:38 PM GMT
    JohnnyD saidLay off the guy. He just killed a stupid dog.

    You know, if you own a dog you can kill it at any time for any reason as long as you do it in a humane way.

    Throwing a dog off a cliff is a quick painless death.

    Assuming he owned the dog, then he did nothing wrong.

    If it was someone else's dog then he should be made to reimburse the owner for the value of the dog.

    If it was just a stray, then he saved the dog from suffering.

    Lighten up. It was just a dumb animal.

    With all the actual human suffering going on in Iraq, this incident is completely insignificant.


    Oh bless your heart! You probably jerk off to pictures of Jeffery Dahmer. He started out killing animals for fun too. I know your mental and emotional deficits are not your fault. Maybe haven't found a healthy way to cope with one too many now-show-me-on-the-dolly-where-the-bad-man-touched-you experiences as a child or maybe you just have problems with your 4th, 5th, 13th, 18th or 21st chromosomes. Whatever the case, just remember Jesus loves you, even if everyone else you've ever met thinks you're a cretinous fucktard and prays you forget to look both ways when crossing the street.

    That and you're probably just angry at fido because your parents had to tie a pork chop around your neck when you were a kid just to get the dog to play with you.