You are NOT allowed to commit suicide: Workers in Chinese iPad factories forced to sign pledges

  • metta

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    May 19, 2011 8:13 PM GMT
    You are NOT allowed to commit suicide: Workers in Chinese iPad factories forced to sign pledges

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382396/Workers-Chinese-Apple-factories-forced-sign-pledges-commit-suicide.html#ixzz1MpaiDfZ0

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    May 19, 2011 9:15 PM GMT
    It really upsets me to see this.
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    May 19, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
    Apple should down business with this plant see how fast they put their shit together
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    May 19, 2011 9:36 PM GMT
    This makes me glad I haven't gotten an iProduct.
    It makes me feel like shit whenever I support a company that's fucking over its employees.
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    May 20, 2011 12:05 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidThanks, Apple, for your indirect involvement in slave labor that results in people killing themselves.

    Apple already made over six billion in profits in the first quarter of this year alone. And yet these workers live like slaves on such meager wages. Does anyone think that billionaire Steve Jobs might possibly give a shit?

    Globalization, isn't it great?

    apple doesnt have enough money to use machines for the minor work?
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    May 20, 2011 12:31 AM GMT
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidThanks, Apple, for your indirect involvement in slave labor that results in people killing themselves.

    Apple already made over six billion in profits in the first quarter of this year alone. And yet these workers live like slaves on such meager wages. Does anyone think that billionaire Steve Jobs might possibly give a shit?

    Globalization, isn't it great?

    apple doesnt have enough money to use machines for the minor work?
    Machines cost more than slaves.
    Sure they have enough money, but they're only concerned with keeping/expanding it.
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    May 20, 2011 3:25 AM GMT
    I guess I have an unspoken pledge with my boss that I won't commit suicide due to work-related stress...
  • Celticmusl

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    May 20, 2011 3:55 AM GMT
    Well workers in the U.S. have some tough issues too, and it's sad that I'm not even making it up. I know at my company if you're one minute late(arrival to work, lunch, etc) 3 times within a week you will be fired. A third of my income is used for gas to drive to and from work....etc, etc, etc. Somewhat dickensian if you ask me. I have coworkers that have worked there for years that are making less money than me and I just recently was hired. This company had a pay freeze for three years, all the while growing 20% per year and having record profits. Most "promotions" do not even get you a pay raise. Not sure that the company would even care if someone committed suicide, they would just hire someone new the next day.

    All this, while people are beating down the door to get hired into this company. A third of the u.s. are living off of food stamps. Wake up and smell the crap in your own back yard.

    Yeah, it's bad in other countries. It's certainly not a picnic in the u.s.
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    May 20, 2011 4:22 AM GMT
    what happens if they do?...
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    May 20, 2011 4:23 AM GMT
    LOL! American companies should also adopt this policy!
    We sure need it in my office... at least it's Friday!
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    May 20, 2011 4:46 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidThis makes me glad I haven't gotten an iProduct.
    It makes me feel like shit whenever I support a company that's fucking over its employees.


    China is pretty fucked up when it comes to labor laws- and it's not just the companies manufacturing products for apple- Walmart is even worse- and I'm sure you've done your fair share of shopping there.
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    May 20, 2011 4:49 AM GMT
    CHIdude saidLOL! American companies should also adopt this policy!
    We sure need it in my office... at least it's Friday!


    Is it fucked up that I laughed at this too, then realized how sad the situation really is?
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    May 20, 2011 5:27 PM GMT
    i_VAN saidwhat happens if they do?...


    IZombies producing IPads?
  • metta

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    May 20, 2011 5:43 PM GMT
    i_VAN saidwhat happens if they do?...


    I think that it is really done to limit the liability of the company.
  • commoncoll

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    May 20, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidThanks, Apple, for your indirect involvement in slave labor that results in people killing themselves.

    Apple already made over six billion in profits in the first quarter of this year alone. And yet these workers live like slaves on such meager wages. Does anyone think that billionaire Steve Jobs might possibly give a shit?

    Do you? Do the other Americans?
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    May 21, 2011 4:59 PM GMT
    OK, as the only RJer (so far) that has personally visit the Foxconn/Hon Hai Precision & Machinery complex in China I could tell you that no one is gonna hold to that agreement.

    They work like dogs almost the entire day. They don't get regular paychecks but have these Debit cards that are usable only on the complex's ATMs. their rents and utilities have already been deducted by the administrators of the complex. Whatever is left is for food and to sent to their relatives. They are NOT allow to leave the complex.

    When issues of abusive arise, they are immediately coached to tell prospective clients (and current clients) that nothing is wrong and they "love" working for Foxconn and are very glad to be given an opportunity to work for this company. Bullshit!

    The workers at each of the product lines are afraid., you can tell in their eyes they want to escape. The terrible thing is Foxconn's managers pay too much attention to Apple's mandatory regimen-like commands and not enough in the well-being of the workers. If a prototype for a product get lost, not a biggie. but if a Apple prototype is lost, Orders are sent to "terminate" the problem.

    From my observations I notice Foxconn is a regimen. A small little country with political and law enforcement power in the region violating all of these people human rights with no remorse. I won't be surprise if international investigations reveal that Foxconn and Apple have had blood in their hands.

    On the professional side of this. Foxconn is an excellent OEM/ODM and SKD manufacturer of electronic goods. That's why they have a prestige line of customers. But I will hesitate to do business with them if worker relations don't improve.
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    May 21, 2011 5:17 PM GMT
    Celticmusl saidWell workers in the U.S. have some tough issues too, and it's sad that I'm not even making it up. I know at my company if you're one minute late(arrival to work, lunch, etc) 3 times within a week you will be fired. A third of my income is used for gas to drive to and from work....etc, etc, etc. Somewhat dickensian if you ask me. I have coworkers that have worked there for years that are making less money than me and I just recently was hired. This company had a pay freeze for three years, all the while growing 20% per year and having record profits. Most "promotions" do not even get you a pay raise. Not sure that the company would even care if someone committed suicide, they would just hire someone new the next day.

    All this, while people are beating down the door to get hired into this company. A third of the u.s. are living off of food stamps. Wake up and smell the crap in your own back yard.

    Yeah, it's bad in other countries. It's certainly not a picnic in the u.s.


    yeeeeaaaaaah i am not sure if that comes even close to this:

    An investigation of the 500,000 workers by the Centre for Research on Multinational Companies and Students & Scholars Against Corporate Misbehaviour (Sacom) found appalling conditions in the factories.
    They claimed that:

    Excessive overtime was rife, despite a legal limit of 36 hours a month. One payslip showed a worker did 98 hours of overtime in one month, the Observer reported.

    During peak periods of demand for the iPad, workers were made to take only one day off in 13.

    Badly performing workers were humiliated in front of colleagues.
    Workers are banned from talking and are made to stand up for their 12-hour shifts.
  • TrentGrad

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    May 21, 2011 6:22 PM GMT
    AvadaKedavra said
    Celticmusl saidWell workers in the U.S. have some tough issues too, and it's sad that I'm not even making it up. I know at my company if you're one minute late(arrival to work, lunch, etc) 3 times within a week you will be fired. A third of my income is used for gas to drive to and from work....etc, etc, etc. Somewhat dickensian if you ask me. I have coworkers that have worked there for years that are making less money than me and I just recently was hired. This company had a pay freeze for three years, all the while growing 20% per year and having record profits. Most "promotions" do not even get you a pay raise. Not sure that the company would even care if someone committed suicide, they would just hire someone new the next day.

    All this, while people are beating down the door to get hired into this company. A third of the u.s. are living off of food stamps. Wake up and smell the crap in your own back yard.

    Yeah, it's bad in other countries. It's certainly not a picnic in the u.s.


    yeeeeaaaaaah i am not sure if that comes even close to this:

    An investigation of the 500,000 workers by the Centre for Research on Multinational Companies and Students & Scholars Against Corporate Misbehaviour (Sacom) found appalling conditions in the factories.
    They claimed that:

    Excessive overtime was rife, despite a legal limit of 36 hours a month. One payslip showed a worker did 98 hours of overtime in one month, the Observer reported.

    During peak periods of demand for the iPad, workers were made to take only one day off in 13.

    Badly performing workers were humiliated in front of colleagues.
    Workers are banned from talking and are made to stand up for their 12-hour shifts.


    Well, it's not like this largely because American workers in years past had trade unions who stood up for their rights against the same American corporations who now happily do business with companies like THIS!

    People like riddler advocate a union free environment...oblivious to the fact that historically, without the unions, American workers have died or been subjected to terrible working conditions. Mocktwinkie advocates an environment where an employer doesn't even have to have cause to fire you: he could choose to fire you because you're gay, or because while you work, you gently hum to pass the time.

    The point is that both of these guys take it as a given that American workers are safe from the pitfalls of the workplace...and a story like this proves that when corporations are put ahead of labor, it is the workers and their families who suffer!

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    May 21, 2011 7:35 PM GMT
    you have to be pragmatic about those things.
    Work conditions in most factories in China are absurdly bad .
    and that 's without mentioning India, certain South American and tons of smaller asian countries , in other words where most of manufacturing is done.

    We're not going to stop buying stuff for all that.
    But every time an excessive situation is denounced, it's a good thing because there can be pressure to improve conditions.
    Companies like to look good.

    ah, and i never buy Apple. just like i never vote conservative.
    it's a principle. ;p
  • needleninja

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    May 21, 2011 8:15 PM GMT
    wow.....this is just stupid as hell.
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    May 21, 2011 8:27 PM GMT
    Wow. I certainly feel weird after reading that and typing this on the iPad in my hands.
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    May 22, 2011 3:18 PM GMT
    ESCESV saidOK, as the only RJer (so far) that has personally visit the Foxconn/Hon Hai Precision & Machinery complex in China I could tell you that no one is gonna hold to that agreement.

    They work like dogs almost the entire day. They don't get regular paychecks but have these Debit cards that are usable only on the complex's ATMs. their rents and utilities have already been deducted by the administrators of the complex. Whatever is left is for food and to sent to their relatives. They are NOT allow to leave the complex.

    When issues of abusive arise, they are immediately coached to tell prospective clients (and current clients) that nothing is wrong and they "love" working for Foxconn and are very glad to be given an opportunity to work for this company. Bullshit!

    The workers at each of the product lines are afraid., you can tell in their eyes they want to escape. The terrible thing is Foxconn's managers pay too much attention to Apple's mandatory regimen-like commands and not enough in the well-being of the workers. If a prototype for a product get lost, not a biggie. but if a Apple prototype is lost, Orders are sent to "terminate" the problem.

    From my observations I notice Foxconn is a regimen. A small little country with political and law enforcement power in the region violating all of these people human rights with no remorse. I won't be surprise if international investigations reveal that Foxconn and Apple have had blood in their hands.

    On the professional side of this. Foxconn is an excellent OEM/ODM and SKD manufacturer of electronic goods. That's why they have a prestige line of customers. But I will hesitate to do business with them if worker relations don't improve.


    ESCESV - Thanks for sharing. I always wondered what it is like in that complex to get a better idea as to what is going on. It sounds more like slavery to me. Even though they technically aren't slaves, they are bound to it for their families and give up so much because they don't have much choice. What a sad life and I hope things get better for them.
  • alphatop

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    May 22, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
    "Some officials within the company even accused workers of committing suicide to secure large compensation payments for their families."


    WTF?
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    May 22, 2011 3:30 PM GMT
    While I agree that the suicide "contract" is absurd in every way, I think that a lot of animosity towards Apple and the "Apple factory" are very misplaced. It burns me every time I see these headlines on msnbc, huffpo etc. that the "Apple Factory" has problems when Apple is only one of many clients of Foxconn. A quick glance at wikipedia reveals a who's who of electronics suppliers:

    * Apple Inc. (United States)[19][5][20]
    * Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
    * Amazon.com (United States)
    * Asus (Taiwan)
    * Intel (United States)
    * Cisco (United States)
    * Hewlett-Packard (United States)[21][20]
    * Dell (United States)
    * Nintendo (Japan)
    * Nokia (Finland)[19]
    * Microsoft (United States)
    * Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[20]
    * Vizio (United States)


    That includes the precious Amazon Kindle, yet you never hear about it being called the "Kindle factory". The Foxconn employees are obviously treated in an appalling way, and we should hold ALL of their clients responsible instead of giving them a free pass while we kick one company around.
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    May 22, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    Ravco saidWhile I agree that the suicide "contract" is absurd in every way, I think that a lot of animosity towards Apple and the "Apple factory" are very misplaced. It burns me every time I see these headlines on msnbc, huffpo etc. that the "Apple Factory" has problems when Apple is only one of many clients of Foxconn. A quick glance at wikipedia reveals a who's who of electronics suppliers:

    * Apple Inc. (United States)[19][5][20]
    * Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
    * Amazon.com (United States)
    * Asus (Taiwan)
    * Intel (United States)
    * Cisco (United States)
    * Hewlett-Packard (United States)[21][20]
    * Dell (United States)
    * Nintendo (Japan)
    * Nokia (Finland)[19]
    * Microsoft (United States)
    * Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[20]
    * Vizio (United States)


    That includes the precious Amazon Kindle, yet you never hear about it being called the "Kindle factory". The Foxconn employees are obviously treated in an appalling way, and we should hold ALL of their clients responsible instead of giving them a free pass while we kick one company around.


    Apple is the target right now because there is a huge shortage of iPads. So if you think "shortage" and "over worked' and then look at that list you'll understand why Apple is the target.