Southern Baptist Seminary Leader Takes Heat for 'Is Your Baby Gay?' Article

  • redheaded_dud...

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    Apr 09, 2008 4:47 AM GMT
    If they could jiggle with genes, how would you advise a pregnant woman regarding a gay fetus? Leave it alone, or "straighten it out"?


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    NEW YORK — The president of the leading Southern Baptist seminary has incurred sharp attacks from both the left and right by suggesting that a biological basis for homosexuality may be proven, and that prenatal treatment to reverse gay orientation would be biblically justified.

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    Mohler wrote that such proof would not alter the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality, but said the discovery would be "of great pastoral significance, allowing for a greater understanding of why certain persons struggle with these particular sexual temptations."

    He also referred to a recent article in the pop-culture magazine Radar, which explored the possibility that sexual orientation could be detected in unborn babies and raised the question of whether parents — even liberals who support gay rights — might be open to trying future prenatal techniques that would reverse homosexuality.
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    Apr 09, 2008 2:18 PM GMT
    Well, let's just say Stan Lee beat him to it years ago.
    Everybody knows there is no cure for the mutant vir-- ... umm, I mean, for being a homosexual.
    If there was, would you do it?
    Would you "cure" your children?

    At the end of the day I believe it's a personal and VERY private choice.
    I know at this point in my life I would NOT change my sexuality if I had the chance, since my whole personality and the choices I've made have been influenced by my sexual orientation.
    I don't know... I don't see myself any other way.
    Would I change my unborn child's sexual orientation?
    Again, this is an entirely personal opinion, I'm not saying it should be law or anything, but I probably would.
    I know I'm being a traitor and the Brotherhood of Mutants... i mean, the Gay Pride guys would stone me to death, but I would rather my kid to have a family if I could choose... again, this is a personal choice.

    Don't worry though, that article in the magazine is just a trick from Apocalypse to deceive the gay community.
    It's the beginning of the Age of Apocalypse, but at least we're gonna get to see gay Bishop and gay Cable kicking ass and straightening the space-time continuum
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    Apr 09, 2008 2:40 PM GMT
    Well with the human population at 6.6 billion and rising we should be encouraging the opposite! More homosexuals please.
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    Apr 09, 2008 2:52 PM GMT
    I'd say that's a positive development. They're ready to admit that there is a definite possibility that being LGBT is an inherited trait.
    Of course I object to the idea of any attempts to alter that, and I don't see how on earth they can stop it, short of abortion.

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    Apr 09, 2008 2:56 PM GMT
    Wysiwyg60 saidWell with the human population at 6.6 billion and rising we should be encouraging the opposite! More homosexuals please.
    AMEN TO THAT !!!! I'll put in an order for more in rural areas !!! LOL !!!
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    Apr 09, 2008 2:58 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI'd say that's a positive development. They're ready to admit that there is a definite possibility that being LGBT is an inherited trait.
    Of course I object to the idea of any attempts to alter that, and I don't see how on earth they can stop it, short of abortion.

    Hey John !!!!! This makes TWICE !!!! TWICE WHAT YOU ASK !!!!!! THAT WE AGREED ON SOMETHING !!!! MARK THIS DOWN ON YOUR CALENDAR !!!! I COULDN'T AGREE MORE !!!!!
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    Apr 09, 2008 3:00 PM GMT
    john touched on my fear: the abortion of lgbt fetuses... all people are human, except those queer types...

    just like a fundamentalist to ignore the obvious flaw in his belief system: if lgbt sexuality is a gene, then exactly how is that NOT part of god's plan, regardless of what MEN wrote in their mythology?
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    Apr 10, 2008 11:40 AM GMT
    IkarosWell, let's just say Stan Lee beat him to it years ago.


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    Apr 10, 2008 11:47 AM GMT
    I think that 'cure' story was a Joss Whedon written story, not Stan Lee.

    Meanwhile, I think prenatal genetic modification would come down to the mother and father. Same as abortion.

    I don't think you could eliminate non-heterosexualities with any sort of widespread genetic fix. Like any DNA-based variation from the norm, it's a mutation that happened for some reason and a 'fix' would never likely be catch-all.
  • wc2boy

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    Apr 10, 2008 12:13 PM GMT
    icon_rolleyes.gif Well, for a start I will never agree that homosexuality is a result of exclusively either nature _or_ nurture. It's going to be a unique combination of different factors for every person.

    The great thing about living in a free world is that we can all be what we want to be. Just because you are born black doesn't mean you have to be a great athlete. Just because you are born to overweight parents doesn't mean you have to be fat. Just because you are born to redneck hillbillies doesn't mean you can't become a supreme court justice one day.

    If people are going to terminate pregnancies based on inconclusive science indicating that their child might, at some point in the future, have a non life-threatening social view which differs from theirs then they aren't fit to be parents in the first place.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 10, 2008 12:34 PM GMT
    I found it disgusting. To me its just more conversation with homosexuality being discussed as an "abnormality" that needs to be corrected. I find that unacceptable.
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    Apr 10, 2008 1:55 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidjohn touched on my fear: the abortion of lgbt fetuses... all people are human, except those queer types...

    just like a fundamentalist to ignore the obvious flaw in his belief system: if lgbt sexuality is a gene, then exactly how is that NOT part of god's plan, regardless of what MEN wrote in their mythology?


    Last time I checked, abortion was perfectly legal.
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    Apr 10, 2008 2:05 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI found it disgusting. To me its just more conversation with homosexuality being discussed as an "abnormality" that needs to be corrected. I find that unacceptable.

    I completely agree. This is not a line of reasoning I'm interested in entertaining.

    For so long, the religious right have premised their arguments against homosexuality on the idea that it's a choice, not something you're born with.

    Now that there's a glimpse of hope that some evangelicals might, sometime in the future, acknowledge that some people ARE born that way, they still want to change it in the womb.

    And WHY?

    Because the Bible says it's wrong. And when the Bible and science are in conflict, everyone knows science must yield to the Word of God. (What's the emoticon for "sarcasm"?)
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    Apr 10, 2008 11:44 PM GMT
    I must say that I am NOT a "mistake" nor am I the product of some strange and dangerous genetic mutation never before seen in the history of the universe! If it ain't broke, please do NOT try to fix it! I am not the product of a "virus" nor a "bacterial" infection, nor a nutritional deficiency. Please do not try to treat me as if I am. I am a person, a human being, as imperfect as any of those that preceeded me and will follow me.
    There is no such thing as the "master race" that Hitler attempted to propogate. Attempting to "fix" a person, yet unborn, when they are not "broken" is the act of an ethically and morally bankrupt society. How sad that the Southern Baptist are willing to parallel the thoughts of the 20th century mad man HITLER, in an effort to reverse a natural part of the diversity of nature that offends them.
    I wonder, If it was possible to perfom a test to see if the unborn child would be of a certain religion, or of a certain political party or in a certain occupation, etc, would they be as quick to want to change and "cure" the unborn?
    Certainly the diety of the Southern Baptist, is a PERFECT, ALL KNOWING, OMNIPOTENT power, that has created ALL in a perfect unity, that only the diety can fully understand. Certainly, this omnipotent diety doesn't need to be helped nor interpreted by any of us. How arrogant and pretentious to believe that god created humanity as the highlight of his handiwork and how much more absurd it is to belive that god got it all right EXCEPT that "God made a mistake" when sexual orientations of straight, bi, gay, asexual, transsexual, intersexed, etc were all created as "options" in the human hardwiring..... Please stop trying to fix what isn't broke. Should we all start to live and die according to some sort of strange twist on the movie "Minority Report", just because we might be born with a genetic predisposition to be gay, bi, straight, rich, poor, brilliant or retarded, thin, fat, blond or red headed? I hope not...otherwise the "terrorists" we ignored are the ones in our own houses....