Despondent about anti-Israel posts on RJ

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    May 23, 2011 6:13 PM GMT
    I've been reading a lot of the Israel threads on RJ and I am concerned about the anti-Israel and sometimes downright anti-Semitic tone they take.

    Instead of focusing on issues that need to be resolved desperately like the borders for an eventual Palestinian state, refugees and compensation, settlements etc., the discourse seems to be "Israel has stolen land and has no right to exist", "Zionists are evil" and my pet peeve, anything starting with "the Jews...".

    The fact is that Israel is unlikely to go away. The Israelis are staying put as this is their home, whether you like it or not (ditto the Palestinians). Whether or not you think it was fair for a Jewish state to be established, it has been. The question now is how do we move forward in a way that is fair to both Israelis and Palestinians.
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    May 23, 2011 7:22 PM GMT
    Jaym86 saidI've been reading a lot of the Israel threads on RJ and I am concerned about the anti-Israel and sometimes downright anti-Semitic tone they take.

    There are definite trends. Briefly, what I've noticed is that most commenters who are firstly pro-Israel are:

    - generally more moderate and open to suggestion
    - politically correct about Muslims (as well they should)
    - criticize Israeli policies like settlement construction
    - are for a two-state solution
    - are pro-Palestine without questioning its right to exist despite a history of terrorism, anti-Semitism, Arab aggression and unwillingness to compromise
    - are prone to accuse people of being anti-Semitic
    - seem to be interested in diverse humanitarian and philanthropic causes

    And that most commentators who are firstly pro-Palestine are:

    - generally less moderate and closed to suggestion
    - politically correct about Muslims (as well they should) but far less pc about Israel and Jews, unless pressed
    - criticize Israeli policies like settlement construction
    - are for a two-state solution or a one-state solution – without Israel, questioning its right to exist
    - ignore, make excuses for or encourage Palestinian terrorism and discourage compromise
    - complain about their taxpayer dollars going to support Israel but don't about their dollars going elsewhere
    - advocate for just compensation for stolen Palestinian property by Israelis but not for stolen Jewish property by the Arab world
    - will deny being anti-Semitic despite their collective posts, whether obsessive or casual, being anything from consistently anti-Israel to anti-Jew
    - are quick to accuse people of being anti-Palestinian or anti-Muslim
    - frequently advocate for Palestinians but undermine their own humanitarian motives by expressing little or no interest in threads about other oppressed groups, be they scores of children in the Congo being slaughtered throughout an ongoing 20 year long civil war or Muslims victimized by other Muslims, like Tunisia, the executions in Bahrain, the recent revolution in Egypt or the murder of political activists in Syria and Libya
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    May 23, 2011 7:28 PM GMT
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    Jaym86 saidI've been reading a lot of the Israel threads on RJ and I am concerned about the anti-Israel and sometimes downright anti-Semitic tone they take.

    There are definite trends. Briefly, what I've noticed is that most commenters who are firstly pro-Israel are:

    - generally more moderate and open to suggestion
    - politically correct about Muslims (as well they should)
    - criticize Israeli policies like settlement construction
    - are for a two-state solution
    - are pro-Palestine without questioning its right to exist despite a history of terrorism, anti-Semitism, Arab aggression and unwillingness to compromise
    - are prone to accuse people of being anti-Semitic

    And that most commentators who are firstly pro-Palestine are:

    - generally less moderate and closed to suggestion
    - politically correct about Muslims (as well they should)
    - criticize Israeli policies like settlement construction
    - are for a two-state solution or a one-state solution – without Israel, questioning its right to exist
    - ignore, make excuses for or encourage Palestinian terrorism and discourage compromise
    - complain about their taxpayer dollars going to support Israel but don't about their dollars going elsewhere
    - advocate for just compensation for stolen Palestinian property by Israelis but not for stolen Jewish property by the Arab world
    - will deny being anti-Semitic despite their collective posts, whether obsessive or casual, being anything from consistently anti-Israel to anti-Jew
    - are quick to accuse people of being anti-Muslim


    You sir have made the most astute point of view about this Israel-Palestine debate. I just wanted to quote you to emphasize the truth about this. You will likely be flamed by idiots for speaking the truth unfortunately.
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    May 23, 2011 8:53 PM GMT
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    Jaym86 saidI've been reading a lot of the Israel threads on RJ and I am concerned about the anti-Israel and sometimes downright anti-Semitic tone they take.

    There are definite trends. Briefly, what I've noticed is that most commenters who are firstly pro-Israel are:

    - generally more moderate and open to suggestion
    - politically correct about Muslims (as well they should)
    - criticize Israeli policies like settlement construction
    - are for a two-state solution
    - are pro-Palestine without questioning its right to exist despite a history of terrorism, anti-Semitism, Arab aggression and unwillingness to compromise
    - are prone to accuse people of being anti-Semitic

    And that most commentators who are firstly pro-Palestine are:

    - generally less moderate and closed to suggestion
    - politically correct about Muslims (as well they should)
    - criticize Israeli policies like settlement construction
    - are for a two-state solution or a one-state solution – without Israel, questioning its right to exist
    - ignore, make excuses for or encourage Palestinian terrorism and discourage compromise
    - complain about their taxpayer dollars going to support Israel but don't about their dollars going elsewhere
    - advocate for just compensation for stolen Palestinian property by Israelis but not for stolen Jewish property by the Arab world
    - will deny being anti-Semitic despite their collective posts, whether obsessive or casual, being anything from consistently anti-Israel to anti-Jew
    - are quick to accuse people of being anti-Muslim


    A good summary. I think most pro-Israel people I know support a two-state solution. If you look at the demographics, the higher Palestinian birthrate would mean that in Israelis would eventually become a minority in Israel.
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    May 23, 2011 9:04 PM GMT
    I think more than anything I find it odd how a lot of people who have no ancestral or cultural ties to Israel & Palestine are so interested in how that area "should" work.
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    May 23, 2011 9:05 PM GMT
    I see a Jewish doctor who is very good, but very rude, and arrogant. have never cared that he is Jewish or I would not give him my cash or time. But sadly if I was to point out how bloody rude and arrogant he is, I would be labeled Anti Semitic. I fear in a way, many here endure the same thing.

    I suppose it's a bit like gay liberal here, can be as hateful and as spitful as they want here. Wish another dead, and thats fine it's tolerated. Yet just because I don't swim with their flow; because even a dead fish can do that. It is OK for me to be a target of their hate and abuse, and they still see themselves as the victims, the freedom fighters, and not terrorists.
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    May 23, 2011 9:08 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidI see a Jewish doctor who is very good, but very rude, and arrogant. have never card that he is jewish or I would not give him my cash or time. But sadly if I was to point out how bloody rude and arrogant he is I would be labeled Anti Semitic. I fear in a way, many here endure the same thing.

    I suppose it's a bit like gay liberal here, can be as hateful and as spitful as they want here. Wish another dead, and thats fine it's tolerated. Yet just because I don't swim with their flow; becaise even a dead fish can do that. It is OK for me to be a target of their hate and abuse, and they still see themselves as the victims, the freedom fighters, and not terrorists.


    Really? You might be labeled an anti-Semite if you said "my Jewish doctor is very rude and arrogant" because the fact that he's Jewish has nothing to do with his being rude and arrogant. Do you really not see that?
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    May 23, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidI see a Jewish doctor who is very good, but very rude, and arrogant.


    Yes but you're fat and old and probably have AIDS too because you're a homosexual.

    Do you see how fun it is to stereotype?
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    May 23, 2011 9:10 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidI see a Jewish doctor who is very good, but very rude, and arrogant. have never card that he is jewish or I would not give him my cash or time. But sadly if I was to point out how bloody rude and arrogant he is I would be labeled Anti Semitic. I fear in a way, many here endure the same thing.

    I suppose it's a bit like gay liberal here, can be as hateful and as spitful as they want here. Wish another dead, and thats fine it's tolerated. Yet just because I don't swim with their flow; becaise even a dead fish can do that. It is OK for me to be a target of their hate and abuse, and they still see themselves as the victims, the freedom fighters, and not terrorists.


    Being rude or arrogant or any other character quality has nothing to do with one's ethnic background. Those are individual, behavioral trait learned from others in their environment.
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    May 23, 2011 9:10 PM GMT
    pocketnico saidI think more than anything I find it odd how a lot of people who have no ancestral or cultural ties to Israel & Palestine are so interested in how that area "should" work.


    Well it's good to have their perspective. Palestinians, Israelis, and Muslims and Jews around the world are understandably biased.
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    May 23, 2011 9:11 PM GMT
    pocketnico saidI think more than anything I find it odd how a lot of people who have no ancestral or cultural ties to Israel & Palestine are so interested in how that area "should" work.


    Fair enough, but I also find the idea of remaining silent when one sees injustice to be troublesome, even if you don't have ancestral or cultural ties to the region. But yeah, it doesn't mean one knows how things should work.
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    May 23, 2011 9:13 PM GMT
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    pocketnico saidI think more than anything I find it odd how a lot of people who have no ancestral or cultural ties to Israel & Palestine are so interested in how that area "should" work.


    Fair enough, but I also find the idea of remaining silent when one sees injustice to be troublesome, even if you don't have ancestral or cultural ties to the region. But yeah, it doesn't mean one knows how things should work.


    I don't think there's anything wrong with expressing some interest and wanting to help out in some way. But for people who don't live there or don't have a history of family from there, they're not really in a position to determine how the situation should be fixed because they have no idea what it's like to live there. Although perhaps that's the advantage of being an outsider, eh?
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    May 23, 2011 9:15 PM GMT
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    Jaym86 said
    pocketnico saidI think more than anything I find it odd how a lot of people who have no ancestral or cultural ties to Israel & Palestine are so interested in how that area "should" work.


    Fair enough, but I also find the idea of remaining silent when one sees injustice to be troublesome, even if you don't have ancestral or cultural ties to the region. But yeah, it doesn't mean one knows how things should work.


    I don't think there's anything wrong with expressing some interest and wanting to help out in some way. But for people who don't live there or don't have a history of family from there, they're not really in a position to determine how the situation should be fixed because they have no idea what it's like to live there. Although perhaps that's the advantage of being an outsider, eh?


    Yeah you're right. An outsider may not be able to grasp what the reality of the situation is but may offer a fresh, more nuanced view. I guess that's why it's important to have a variety of opinions!
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    May 23, 2011 9:15 PM GMT
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    Jaym86 said
    pocketnico saidI think more than anything I find it odd how a lot of people who have no ancestral or cultural ties to Israel & Palestine are so interested in how that area "should" work.


    Fair enough, but I also find the idea of remaining silent when one sees injustice to be troublesome, even if you don't have ancestral or cultural ties to the region. But yeah, it doesn't mean one knows how things should work.


    I don't think there's anything wrong with expressing some interest and wanting to help out in some way. But for people who don't live there or don't have a history of family from there, they're not really in a position to determine how the situation should be fixed because they have no idea what it's like to live there. Although perhaps that's the advantage of being an outsider, eh?


    I have no idea what it's like to live in China or Tibet, but from reading vast amounts of information and seeing videos how China took over Tibet and how Tibet wants to become a separate nation, it seems illogical to not support Tibet as an outsider.

    You don't need to be "one of them" to understand or help solve the solution.

    But yeah yeah there's that saying "change comes from within" and that needs to happen in the middle east.
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    May 23, 2011 9:30 PM GMT
    The most glaring point that should be made here is that the writers so far seem hell bent on assuming that strong disaproval of stealing land during occupation of Palestinians Homelands for building of settlements constitutes ' wanting to see Israel Destroyed', 'hate for jews', 'anti semitism' and etc.
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    Are you folks intitled to approval of everything you do over there no matter how inhumane forcing people out of their homes is, when in the end its for Zionist Settlements to be built? What other reason can you give for such accusations? In actuality the great majority in the world see Israels actions toward Palestinians as wrong. YOU IMEDIATELY ACCUSE THOSE IN DISAGREEMENT AS HATING ISRAEL AND WANTING TO SEE IT DESTROYED !!

    So when are you folk going to approach this as adults and believe us when we say, we don not hate or want to see Israel destroyed !! Its like you wear your feelings on your sleaves. Do you even consider how terrible it is to force people from their homes to bring in Zionist Settlers?

    Name the person who has said they hate Jews !!

    Name the person who said they seek the destruction of Israel !!

    Any Quotes from these people who say they hate jews and want Israel destroyed ?

    Why are Jewish People so defensive ?


    I note that there is no disgust from any of you regarding Leeron's saying Palesinians have no home, that therefore settlements are legal, because Palestine never existed as if that settles the Settlement issue, tough shit for Palestinians according to him. or when he calls Middle Eastern members Stupid and Liars for the Cause and on and on and on. It seems to me that your opinions on this are totally one sided, either you approve of Israels every action or you hate us, that seems to be your base line.

    Many of us have called for Hamas to renounce violence and to recognize Israel, I don't hear you folk saying Israel needs to recognize Palestinians have rights to expect to keep their land free of the danger of losing it to Zionist Settlements.

    Ignoring by the way solves nothing but is a tactic used by such Zionist Apologists as Leeron who doesn't want to deal with any reality but his own Propaganda.

    Where's the disgust from the Jewish Members for those 1500 Palestinian Children that have been murdered since 2000 ? What do you have to say for Israeli Snipers shooting Children around the age of 10 through the head? we heard plenty about that terrible murder of the Fogel Family. What was Israels answer to this terrible event ?? 500 ADDITIONAL SETTLEMENT UNITS WERE ANNOUNCED !!! Does this solve the problems ?? Where are the additional housing units being built in answer to the 1500 Palestinian Children that were killed ?? YES THINGS ARE OUT OF BALANCE AND IT CERTAINLY ISN"T IN FAVOR OF THE PALESTINIANS IS IT ??

    Any responses, or are we ignored if we point out the truth ?





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    May 23, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
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    Jaym86 saidI've been reading a lot of the Israel threads on RJ and I am concerned about the anti-Israel and sometimes downright anti-Semitic tone they take.

    There are definite trends. Briefly, what I've noticed is that most commenters who are firstly pro-Israel are:

    - generally more moderate and open to suggestion
    - politically correct about Muslims (as well they should)
    - criticize Israeli policies like settlement construction
    - are for a two-state solution
    - are pro-Palestine without questioning its right to exist despite a history of terrorism, anti-Semitism, Arab aggression and unwillingness to compromise
    - are prone to accuse people of being anti-Semitic

    And that most commentators who are firstly pro-Palestine are:

    - generally less moderate and closed to suggestion
    - politically correct about Muslims (as well they should)
    - criticize Israeli policies like settlement construction
    - are for a two-state solution or a one-state solution – without Israel, questioning its right to exist
    - ignore, make excuses for or encourage Palestinian terrorism and discourage compromise
    - complain about their taxpayer dollars going to support Israel but don't about their dollars going elsewhere
    - advocate for just compensation for stolen Palestinian property by Israelis but not for stolen Jewish property by the Arab world
    - will deny being anti-Semitic despite their collective posts, whether obsessive or casual, being anything from consistently anti-Israel to anti-Jew
    - are quick to accuse people of being anti-Muslim


    +1

    That’s probably the most astute post I’ve read on RJ - the American left and their brother-in-arms - the equally intolerant fundamentalist Muslim.
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    May 23, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
    realifedad said The most glaring point that should be made here is that the writers so far seem hell bent on assuming that strong disaproval of stealing land during occupation of Palestinians Homelands for building of settlements constitutes ' wanting to see Israel Destroyed', 'hate for jews', 'anti semitism' and etc.
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    Are you folks intitled to approval of everything you do over there no matter how inhumane forcing people out of their homes is, when in the end its for Zionist Settlements to be built? What other reason can you give for such accusations? In actuality the great majority in the world see Israels actions toward Palestinians as wrong. YOU IMEDIATELY ACCUSE THOSE IN DISAGREEMENT AS HATING ISRAEL AND WANTING TO SEE IT DESTROYED !!

    So when are you folk going to approach this as adults and believe us when we say, we don not hate or want to see Israel destroyed !! Its like you wear your feelings on your sleaves. Do you even consider how terrible it is to force people from their homes to bring in Zionist Settlers?

    Name the person who has said they hate Jews !!

    Name the person who said they seek the destruction of Israel !!

    Any Quotes from these people who say they hate jews and want Israel destroyed ?

    Why are Jewish People so defensive ?


    I note that there is no disgust from any of you regarding Leeron's saying Palesinians have no home, that therefore settlements are legal, because Palestine never existed as if that settles the Settlement issue, tough shit for Palestinians according to him. or when he calls Middle Eastern members Stupid and Liars for the Cause and on and on and on. It seems to me that your opinions on this are totally one sided, either you approve of Israels every action or you hate us, that seems to be your base line.

    Many of us have called for Hamas to renounce violence and to recognize Israel, I don't hear you folk saying Israel needs to recognize Palestinians have rights to expect to keep their land free of the danger of losing it to Zionist Settlements.

    Ignoring by the way solves nothing but is a tactic used by such Zionist Apologists as Leeron who doesn't want to deal with any reality but his own Propaganda.

    Where's the disgust from the Jewish Members for those 1500 Palestinian Children that have been murdered since 2000 ? What do you have to say for Israeli Snipers shooting Children around the age of 10 through the head? we heard plenty about that terrible murder of the Fogel Family. What was Israels answer to this terrible event ?? 500 ADDITIONAL SETTLEMENT UNITS WERE ANNOUNCED !!! Does this solve the problems ?? Where are the additional housing units being built in answer to the 1500 Palestinian Children that were killed ?? YES THINGS ARE OUT OF BALANCE AND IT CERTAINLY ISN"T IN FAVOR OF THE PALESTINIANS IS IT ??

    Any responses, or are we ignored if we point out the truth ?







    What is wrong with you? Did you even read my post?
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    May 23, 2011 9:38 PM GMT
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    realifedad said Name the person who has said they hate Jews !!



    Well, "Art" Deco said he hates Muslims and thought they should all be shipped out of the USA...

    But I can't recall reading on here that somebody wrote that they "hate the Jews" though it's quite possible it did come up in one of those encyclopedic caesarea4 threads that my eyes glaze over on...


    Can't recall either of these incidents ever happening but if they did, I'm disgusted. I have seen many threads of "the Jews, the Jews, the Jews" followed by something negative. When it's the same poster always ragging on those pesky Jews, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that one is an anti-Semite.
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    May 23, 2011 9:39 PM GMT
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    Jaym86 saidI've been reading a lot of the Israel threads on RJ and I am concerned about the anti-Israel and sometimes downright anti-Semitic tone they take.

    There are definite trends. Briefly, what I've noticed is that most commenters who are firstly pro-Israel are:

    - generally more moderate and open to suggestion
    - politically correct about Muslims (as well they should)
    - criticize Israeli policies like settlement construction
    - are for a two-state solution
    - are pro-Palestine without questioning its right to exist despite a history of terrorism, anti-Semitism, Arab aggression and unwillingness to compromise
    - are prone to accuse people of being anti-Semitic

    And that most commentators who are firstly pro-Palestine are:

    - generally less moderate and closed to suggestion
    - politically correct about Muslims (as well they should)
    - criticize Israeli policies like settlement construction
    - are for a two-state solution or a one-state solution – without Israel, questioning its right to exist
    - ignore, make excuses for or encourage Palestinian terrorism and discourage compromise
    - complain about their taxpayer dollars going to support Israel but don't about their dollars going elsewhere
    - advocate for just compensation for stolen Palestinian property by Israelis but not for stolen Jewish property by the Arab world
    - will deny being anti-Semitic despite their collective posts, whether obsessive or casual, being anything from consistently anti-Israel to anti-Jew
    - are quick to accuse people of being anti-Muslim


    What about those of us who try to be objective, believe in Israel's right to exist in peace and security, but also think that Israel has gone past protecting itself into acts of depredation? There are many American Jews who feel that way. One can support the Israeli people and disagree with its government's policies.
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    May 23, 2011 9:41 PM GMT
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    realifedad said Name the person who has said they hate Jews !!



    Well, "Art" Deco said he hates Muslims and thought they should all be shipped out of the USA...

    But I can't recall reading on here that somebody wrote that they "hate the Jews" though it's quite possible it did come up in one of those encyclopedic caesarea4 threads that my eyes glaze over on...


    Can't recall either of these incidents ever happening but if they did, I'm disgusted. I have seen many threads of "the Jews, the Jews, the Jews" followed by something negative. When it's the same poster always ragging on those pesky Jews, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that one is an anti-Semite.


    I've always had a problem with the word "anti-Semitic", because Semitic can refer to any culture that speaks a Semitic language: Hebrew, Arabic, Maltese, and ancient languages like Phoenician, Ugaritic. I mean, since when did "Semitic" refer only to Jews? Even then, many Jews in the world don't even speak Hebrew or Arabic.
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    May 23, 2011 9:43 PM GMT
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    Jaym86 said
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    realifedad said Name the person who has said they hate Jews !!



    Well, "Art" Deco said he hates Muslims and thought they should all be shipped out of the USA...

    But I can't recall reading on here that somebody wrote that they "hate the Jews" though it's quite possible it did come up in one of those encyclopedic caesarea4 threads that my eyes glaze over on...


    Can't recall either of these incidents ever happening but if they did, I'm disgusted. I have seen many threads of "the Jews, the Jews, the Jews" followed by something negative. When it's the same poster always ragging on those pesky Jews, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that one is an anti-Semite.


    I've always had a problem with the word "anti-Semitic", because Semitic can refer to any culture that speaks a Semitic language: Hebrew, Arabic, Maltese, and ancient languages like Phoenician, Ugaritic. I mean, since when did "Semitic" refer only to Jews? Even then, many Jews in the world don't even speak Hebrew or Arabic.


    You're right, but sometimes words take on different meanings than their initial ones. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
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    May 23, 2011 9:46 PM GMT
    Jaym86 said
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    Jaym86 said
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    realifedad said Name the person who has said they hate Jews !!



    Well, "Art" Deco said he hates Muslims and thought they should all be shipped out of the USA...

    But I can't recall reading on here that somebody wrote that they "hate the Jews" though it's quite possible it did come up in one of those encyclopedic caesarea4 threads that my eyes glaze over on...


    Can't recall either of these incidents ever happening but if they did, I'm disgusted. I have seen many threads of "the Jews, the Jews, the Jews" followed by something negative. When it's the same poster always ragging on those pesky Jews, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that one is an anti-Semite.


    I've always had a problem with the word "anti-Semitic", because Semitic can refer to any culture that speaks a Semitic language: Hebrew, Arabic, Maltese, and ancient languages like Phoenician, Ugaritic. I mean, since when did "Semitic" refer only to Jews? Even then, many Jews in the world don't even speak Hebrew or Arabic.


    You're right, but sometimes words take on different meanings than their initial ones. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.


    I know, but to me anti-Semitic should literally mean someone who's against ANY culture that speaks Arabic, Hebrew, or Maltese...not just Hebrew-speaking Jews alone.
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    realifedad said Name the person who has said they hate Jews !!



    Well, "Art" Deco said he hates Muslims and thought they should all be shipped out of the USA...

    But I can't recall reading on here that somebody wrote that they "hate the Jews" though it's quite possible it did come up in one of those encyclopedic caesarea4 threads that my eyes glaze over on...


    I'm not sure that I've ever agreed with art_deco on anything, but this could come close. I'm not a hater and try to take everyone as an individual, but its a long trail of nothing but trouble - both micro and macro.
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    May 23, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
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    realifedad said Name the person who has said they hate Jews !!



    Well, "Art" Deco said he hates Muslims and thought they should all be shipped out of the USA...

    But I can't recall reading on here that somebody wrote that they "hate the Jews" though it's quite possible it did come up in one of those encyclopedic caesarea4 threads that my eyes glaze over on...


    I'm not sure that I've ever agreed with art_deco on anything, but this could come close. I'm not a hater and try to take everyone as an individual, but its a long trail of nothing but trouble - both micro and macro.


    What a disgusting thing to say.
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    May 23, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
    Jaym86 said
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    realifedad said Name the person who has said they hate Jews !!



    Well, "Art" Deco said he hates Muslims and thought they should all be shipped out of the USA...

    But I can't recall reading on here that somebody wrote that they "hate the Jews" though it's quite possible it did come up in one of those encyclopedic caesarea4 threads that my eyes glaze over on...


    I'm not sure that I've ever agreed with art_deco on anything, but this could come close. I'm not a hater and try to take everyone as an individual, but its a long trail of nothing but trouble - both micro and macro.


    What a disgusting thing to say.


    How so?

    And by the way, You didn't seem to express yourself quite the same way when art_deco said it. Why's that?