Obama: Repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" possible.

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    Apr 10, 2008 11:14 AM GMT
    WASHINGTON - Barack Obama says if elected president he will not require that his Joint Chiefs of Staff be opposed to the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that prevents gays from serving openly in the military.

    The Democratic presidential front-runner favors repealing the policy, which was instituted during the Clinton administration.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080410/ap_on_el_pr/obama_gay_rights
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    Apr 10, 2008 12:24 PM GMT
    Good. I hope he keeps promises. icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 10, 2008 3:24 PM GMT
    Sedative14 saidGood. I hope he keeps promises. icon_razz.gif


    Part of that promise is a Joint Chiefs who favor keeping the policy. Saying you'd like to see it repealed is one hell of a far cry from saying you'll work to repeal it, and having a Joint Chiefs who support the policy makes a repeal even less likely because you'll have military insiders working against you in positions of great influence.

    Obama is trying to have it both ways.
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    Apr 10, 2008 3:28 PM GMT
    Muunrakur said[quote][cite]Sedative14 said[/cite]Good. I hope he keeps promises. icon_razz.gif



    Obama is trying to have it both ways.[/quote]



    Obama trying to have it both ways? SHOCKER!
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    Apr 10, 2008 3:58 PM GMT
    As commander in chief and President Obama is in a good position to repeal the policy.

    Remember, DADT was implemented because Bill Clinton made a campaign promise to let all servicemen serve openly. But that did not fly with the Committee of Armed Service. So a compromise was reached, resulting in DADT.

    Not using this as a litmus test for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is understandable considering we are losing two wars at the moment, especially considering DADT was implemented not by the chairman but my congress and the president. With the military, I am a fan of pragmatism over political orthodoxy: the most qualified candidate over the party lap dog.
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    Apr 10, 2008 4:30 PM GMT
    excerpt from article:"The gay press may feel like I'm not giving them enough love, but basically all press feels that way at all times," Obama told The Advocate. He said he's frequently spoken out against homophobia and in support of gay rights.


    really. if he's so supportive of gay rights why did he refuse to even take a photo with Gavin Newsome? Why has he never marched in a Pride Parade? I fail to see how his empty promise of a 'possible' repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" is supposed to win my support.


    From a thread I posted earlier (which is the article referenced in the Obama article wherein Hillary actually talks to the gay media) you'll see that Senator Clinton outright says she will repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/151448/

    Still think his feeble promise is all that great?
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    Apr 10, 2008 4:36 PM GMT
    Muunrakur said[quote][cite]Sedative14 said[/cite]Good. I hope he keeps promises. icon_razz.gif


    Part of that promise is a Joint Chiefs who favor keeping the policy. Saying you'd like to see it repealed is one hell of a far cry from saying you'll work to repeal it, and having a Joint Chiefs who support the policy makes a repeal even less likely because you'll have military insiders working against you in positions of great influence.

    Obama is trying to have it both ways.[/quote]

    Correctomondo! He is trying to leave enough light so as to leave enough doubt that it can't be used against him.

    Whereas, emotionally, I would like a gung-ho pro-gay candidate. I guess I need to be a realist. And perhaps, playing it down now will get someone elected who can "play it up" after he/she gets into office.
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    Apr 10, 2008 4:46 PM GMT
    What is obvious to me is that Obama doesn't understand 1) gay rights issues 2) military culture and 3) the interaction between the two. Bill Clinton made the same mistake and we ended up with DADT. Obama may not make the situation worse, but I don't see him making it instantly better.
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    Apr 10, 2008 5:03 PM GMT
    Did he actually phrase it like that ("I will not require my JCSs to be opposed...") because if so, that's quite sly. This way, he appears to be "gay-friendly" but not so much so as to (as is in his power) ENTIRELY REPEAL D.A.D.T. Ugh.

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    Apr 11, 2008 8:09 AM GMT
    *sigh*

    Politicians... still, he's way better than McCain. icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 12, 2008 10:59 AM GMT
    Jackal69 saidDid he actually phrase it like that ("I will not require my JCSs to be opposed...") because if so, that's quite sly. This way, he appears to be "gay-friendly" but not so much so as to (as is in his power) ENTIRELY REPEAL D.A.D.T. Ugh.



    Remember, Bill Clinton didn't break a campaign promise with DADT. He just compromised. icon_confused.gif
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7D7173CF936A15754C0A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
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    Apr 12, 2008 11:09 AM GMT
    Repeal DADT? does that mean things would go back to the way they were before it was passed, where service members would be investigated and thrown out under suspicion of being gay?

    Clinton didn't "throw us under the bus" he made a compromise that was a step in the right direction.

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    Apr 12, 2008 11:15 AM GMT
    Gee, I don't know. I get the feeling that there is an undercurrent of antipathy in Obamaland that would probably be rationalized away as "priorities" or some other such goobledeygook. Furthermore, this latest "awakening" to GLBT issues seems overly contrived and convenient given the stalemate in Democratic party politics. If it walks like pandering, smells like pandering, and tastes like pandering, then its probably pandering.

    Personally I think Senator McCain is nuts and has little chance of making it through the meat grinder of the general election without a "Peroesque" moment of total deconstruction.

    It isn't that I think the Democrats can win, (they have snatched defeat from the mouth of victory so many times I can no longer believe) it is more that I think McCain can lose.

    As for Hillary, well I have given up. I still have enormous respect for the woman and her unbelievable achievements but this has gone far enough to be counter-productive.

    Obama is the default.

    I read his big speech expecting Cicero and instead I found Cheerios. It is for this I never allow myself to forget that entropy is a physical law.

    May the best bank win.

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    Sedative14 said*sigh*

    Politicians... still, he's way better than McCain. icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 12, 2008 12:43 PM GMT
    ursamajor said
    Personally I think Senator McCain is nuts and has little chance of making it through the meat grinder of the general election without a "Peroesque" moment of total deconstruction.


    Yes, moments like the one where Perot accused Bush's daddy of sending agents to disrupt Perot's daughter's wedding are the stuff we political junkies LIVE for.
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    Apr 12, 2008 1:22 PM GMT
    jprichva saidYes, moments like the one where Perot accused Bush's daddy of sending agents to disrupt Perot's daughter's wedding are the stuff we political junkies LIVE for.

    Are you saying that didn't happen??? icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 12, 2008 2:17 PM GMT
    Promises from politicians before an election are like the words "I think I love you" from a guy ten minutes after great sex. Nice words but not to be believed without a healthy dose of skepticism.

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    Apr 12, 2008 2:35 PM GMT
    Has he really not spoke to gays? Is that true. Read below and see if that is true:

    But I haven’t been silent on gay issues. What’s happened is, I speak oftentimes to gay issues to a public general audience. When I spoke at Ebenezer Church for King Day, I talked about the need to get over the homophobia in the African-American community, when I deliver my stump speeches routinely I talk about the way that antigay sentiment is used to divide the country and distract us from issues that we need to be working on, and I include gay constituencies as people that should be treated with full honor and respect as part of the American family.

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    Are we "gays" really that narcissistic that if we dont have our own time with a candidate that they are not speaking or working for us. Obama, continually fights for our rights. Also, Obama has been in pride parades. He has been in the pride parade in Chicago in at least one instance that I can remember.