any following Hamilton's revelations ?

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    May 24, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    and Hincapie.

    poor Lance, he's losing all his friends .


    it's basically stuff that everyone in the biking world knew
    but for millions of people it's one of their heroes turning out to be a cheater.

    sad.

    sad because in spite of all that he remains one of the greatest athletes .
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    May 26, 2011 9:19 PM GMT
    xassantex saidand Hincapie.

    poor Lance, he's losing all his friends .


    it's basically stuff that everyone in the biking world knew
    but for millions of people it's one of their heroes turning out to be a cheater.

    sad.

    sad because in spite of all that he remains one of the greatest athletes .


    Yes, the part that I find most upsetting is this empire of heroism he has built around himself, when he is now being proven to be no more heroic in his athletic endeavors than anyone else. It's the death of a dream for some.

    Not for me, I never liked the guy. I just lament the fall of Papa George.

    Patrick
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    May 26, 2011 9:30 PM GMT
    i would feel bad for the dude... except for the fact that he's a cheater and did drugs... and oh yeah, a complete asshole.
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    May 28, 2011 3:05 AM GMT
    i hear you guys,

    but still, it's easy to forget his achievements because the truth is finally popping out .
    yeah, he's been a jerk countless times, egocentric , vindictive etc. but that's the flip side of many great achievers.

    BUT

    he was a top rate cyclist. His high cadence climbing style, his highly detailed preparation for events inspired many racers to review their own methods.
    And he still won against high powered competitors who of course were equally doped, so in the end he was still the strongest.

    i wonder if Robin Williams is still a very close friend of his ... *sniggers* .
    the guy used to lend Armstrong his own private jet.


    US Postal are a bunch of fucking retarded hypocrites. They ALWAYS knew what was going on ...
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    Jun 06, 2011 5:06 AM GMT
    It would not surprise me if he did use PEDs in the early days, as did most of his competitors/team mates did. The fact of the matter is that he has never "officially" failed a drug test. There was one test in which he did have a doctors note because of an ointment he used for saddle sores.

    The credibility of his users are very low too. Floyd Landis adamantly denied taking PEDs, after he failed two drug tests. He started a campaign for this defense and took well over $2 million dollars in donations (I think that's what the numbers were). After his suspension, he could not get a job with any major cycling team, and started his own. His team was not taken seriously and was denied entry into the Tour California. So he came clean and admitted using PEDs and accused everyone and their mother of using PEDs also, at the eve of the Tour California last year. So he had defrauded thousands of people who donated to his fund to prove his innocence. He is also quoted as saying, "If I had the money to pay everyone back, I would". So yeah, I'd imagine whoever donated feels betrayed.

    Hamilton, on the other hand, is looking for a publisher for his new book. He also failed two drug tests. And what better way to attract one of the big firms than to accuse Lance. Everyone who has accused him in some form or fashion has had something to gain. There's actually an article I read (I can't find it) that listed every major accuser and noted what they gained for their testimony, or could gain with their testimony.

    Hincapie, on the other hand, is different from all the rest. His reputation is still in tact, and has nothing to gain. Rumor has it that he will testify that Lance did use PEDs. If that rumor is true, then the cards may start to fall.

    Is Lance an asshole? Maybe, I don't know him. Did he really use PEDs? I wouldn't not be surprised. Either way, he'll have to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Landis/Hamilton/etc all have their credibility tarnished. It would be like having a junkie/thief as your star witness in trail. It'll be hard to take that testimony serious.

    We can all have our own personal beliefs, and we can certainty judge him. But he is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Just my $.02
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    Jun 28, 2011 1:00 AM GMT
    you're probably right.
    i personally don't care whether he gets condemned or not , but even if there's insufficient proof ,his reputation is tarnished forever.