Creationism banned from "free schools" in Britain

  • metta

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    May 24, 2011 8:37 PM GMT
    Creationism banned from "free schools" in Britain


    http://ncse.com/news/2011/05/creationism-banned-from-free-schools-britain-006683
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    May 24, 2011 10:34 PM GMT
    Guess this means someone of those fine folks at the NCSE will be filing for unemployment benefits now that there is no need to defend evolution any more lol
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    May 24, 2011 11:08 PM GMT
    I think it should be taught as an alternative viewpoint. The more information to evaluate, the better.
  • creature

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    May 25, 2011 12:04 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI think it should be taught as an alternative viewpoint. The more information to evaluate, the better.


    But what creationism viewpoint?
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    May 25, 2011 12:15 AM GMT
    The one that says God created the earth with a snap of his (her?) fingers.
    Or is it with his toes? icon_lol.gif
    TMI.
  • bolero_of_fir...

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    May 25, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI think it should be taught as an alternative viewpoint. The more information to evaluate, the better.

    That's what Sunday school is for.
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    May 25, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI think it should be taught as an alternative viewpoint. The more information to evaluate, the better.


    The fricking pope has even caved in on this one. If we're going to teach this alternate viewpoint, let's also teach flat-world geography.

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    May 25, 2011 12:28 AM GMT
    I'm rather surprised that this was even an issue in the UK.

    My impression was that Richard Dawkins and Stephen Hawking more or less gave God the heave-ho and that the UK was more or less godless.

    The part that isn't radical Islamist, that is... lol
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    May 25, 2011 12:29 AM GMT
    bolero_of_fire said
    mocktwinkie saidI think it should be taught as an alternative viewpoint. The more information to evaluate, the better.

    That's what Sunday school is for.


    Amen!! icon_biggrin.gif
  • creature

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    May 25, 2011 12:32 AM GMT
    outdoorathlete said
    mocktwinkie saidI think it should be taught as an alternative viewpoint. The more information to evaluate, the better.


    The fricking pope has even caved in on this one. If we're going to teach this alternate viewpoint, let's also teach flat-world geography.



    Thank you.

    Also, the Pope has even accepted global warming. It's embarrassing when the Pope is more progressive than some elected officials.
  • stee99

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    May 25, 2011 12:36 AM GMT
    they should never teach stuff like this in schools, its no foundation for a rounded factual education..
    thank fuck for the separation of church and state in most first world countrys.
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    May 25, 2011 12:42 AM GMT
    good, creationism isnt a real science.. at least the UK has finally some real sense to strip it from the curriculum its about time too
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    May 25, 2011 12:42 AM GMT
    Creationism should most definitely be taught in schools in history classes, as an example late 20th century/early 21st century anti-intellectual, anti-science religious revivalism. Examples from Conservapedia should be put in diagrams as much as maps or artifacts. Nothing's as classic as (from the Schafly Quote Genereator on RationalWiki):
    http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fun:Schlafly_Quote_Generator&action=purge
    "Anonymous User" (isn't it funny how liberals present themselves?), your jargon is barely understandable and my only response is this: be encyclopedic or please find another site for your postings. I reread the beginning of your rant at the top of this section and you fail to mention that liberals censor classroom prayer, so whether you admit it or not, I can tell you're a homosexual. Your atheistic worldview has led you to deny that intelligent design prevents homosexuality. In sum, the more atheistic one is, the more he views government as the church, and officials in government as rulers. And may God help those who deny Christ after what He went through.--aschlafly 00:41, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

    "Anonymous User" (I notice how you hide behind an alias), I've responded to your concerns and answered your questions and you frequently spell "Hell" with a lower case "h", so clearly you're a second generation atheist. You also refuse to accept that prayer stops Shaken Baby Syndrome. Whatever the mainstream media might say, only a Muslim would pronounce Pakistan as 'Pokistan'. How long before the false claim about the appendix being a vestigial organ is taken out of textbooks promoting evolution?? Your account will be blocked if you simply continue to rant here.--Andy Schlafly 00:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
  • GQjock

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    May 25, 2011 12:55 AM GMT
    Creationism should most definitely be taught in schools in history classes, as an example late 20th century/early 21st century anti-intellectual, anti-science religious revivalism

    Yep icon_wink.gif

    Science isn't "alternative points of view"
    science is factual based research
    Creationism is religiosity is a labcoat
  • barriehomeboy

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    May 25, 2011 12:59 AM GMT
    Columbus had the same problems with people who insisted the planet was square and he'd sail off ot its edge. Crazy people believe crazy things. They all get together and call it a religion, and then you've got the Republican party in the USA. They're good for a laugh, for those billions of us who don't live there. But so was Rosanne.
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    May 25, 2011 1:00 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI think it should be taught as an alternative viewpoint. The more information to evaluate, the better.


    OOF.
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    May 25, 2011 1:27 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI think it should be taught as an alternative viewpoint. The more information to evaluate, the better.


    I have no problem with school kids being taught ABOUT creationism, as long as represented accurately. It is a powerful political movement, an interesting and influential cultural meme, and a significant branch of popular religious belief. It would be great material for a comparative religions class, a political science or history class, and even in a science class, as an example of old models that were eventually superseded as modern science emerged (along with "humors", "phlogiston", the Ptolemaic geocentric model of the universe, and so on).

    But this is not what the creationists want. They want creationism taught in science class as a bona fide "alternative" scientific theory, as valid as evolution theory. In other words, they want science teachers to lie to their students, purely for religious reasons.

    That is unacceptable, on academic, constitutional, and moral grounds.
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    May 25, 2011 1:46 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI think it should be taught as an alternative viewpoint. The more information to evaluate, the better.


    You need to clarify what you mean. Are you saying that it should be taught in science class? Or in religion class? Or what?

    It is only the first of these that is unacceptable.
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    May 25, 2011 2:35 AM GMT
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    May 25, 2011 4:42 AM GMT
    In the late 50's in public school they read bible stories to us, then my parents sent us to a private christian school where we had bible class, everyday, worship every day, prayer to start the school day, prayer before lunch, and even sometimes a prayer before a paddling if we got into trouble. I was so indoctrinated that I was in my teens before I knew that evolution even existed because it wasn't taught in our school at all, I found out from a cousin who went to public school.

    What did this over abundance of religious indoctrination do for me? It turned me completely away from such faith based beliefs, because there is nothing more to it than just faith. No facts, no proof, no way to verify, no nothing but faith. Its all baseless from Bible stories that are so contraditing that it leaves a kid wondering why in hell should I believe any of this crap !!
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    May 25, 2011 4:43 AM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidI think it should be taught as an alternative viewpoint. The more information to evaluate, the better.


    I have no problem with school kids being taught ABOUT creationism, as long as represented accurately. It is a powerful political movement, an interesting and influential cultural meme, and a significant branch of popular religious belief. It would be great material for a comparative religions class, a political science or history class, and even in a science class, as an example of old models that were eventually superseded as modern science emerged (along with "humors", "phlogiston", the Ptolemaic geocentric model of the universe, and so on).

    But this is not what the creationists want. They want creationism taught in science class as a bona fide "alternative" scientific theory, as valid as evolution theory. In other words, they want science teachers to lie to their students, purely for religious reasons.

    That is unacceptable, on academic, constitutional, and moral grounds.


    Now I want to marry Menschpress.
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    May 25, 2011 4:45 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidPogeononCreationism.jpg



    this is so cool and sure fits in with how I started realizing just how rediculous faith based beliefs are.
  • TrentGrad

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    May 25, 2011 4:54 AM GMT
    alphatrigger saidI'm rather surprised that this was even an issue in the UK.

    My impression was that Richard Dawkins and Stephen Hawking more or less gave God the heave-ho and that the UK was more or less godless.

    The part that isn't radical Islamist, that is... lol


    It kind of surprises me as well, because I attended public school, and I can't remember a time when we ever learned about anything contained within the Bible.

    This does kind of trouble me however because Creationism has largely been framed as a Christian concept in the West...and in doing this, are nations that are predominately Christian beginning to move to an amorphous mass ideology that could threaten the special place Christian dates and traditions have within them?
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    May 25, 2011 5:17 AM GMT
    Well, when I was in college, which was, admittedly, a while ago, evolution was taught as a theory. That leaves it on the same par as creation.
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    May 25, 2011 5:22 AM GMT
    Creation is not a theory, but an explanation as taught by the bible.

    If you don't believe the bible is true, then teaching creationism is like teaching the "toys come from Santa Claus" theory.