Gay Christians?

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    May 25, 2011 4:32 AM GMT
    So I have been out for a while now, and some of my conservative Christian friends are having a difficult time accepting this and want to continue to talk to me about the mistake I am making. I have been a devout Christian most of my life and find it difficult to understand why they take such an offense. I do not believe in religion but I do believe in the Bible. I believe that being gay is not a sin, and that the term homosexual (in the Bible) was derived from male prostitution. Therefore I don't believe the lifestyle I live is condemning!

    What are some of the ways you have handled situations like this with your friends?


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    May 25, 2011 4:45 AM GMT
    You are who you are, and you know who you are. Your relationship with your Higher Power is yours to define and nobody else's

    The same man who told me that God loved me the way I was, and to hold on and not commit suicide, was the same man who later told me that I was going to hell for being gay.

    I respectfully disagreed. I'll wait on God to pass judgement on me. I have no time for anybody else's judgement.

    In the South, where I grew up, people would ask, "Are you a Christian?" (with that drippy Southern drawl).

    I would respond, "I don't know. Only God can really answer to that question."

    They would look back at me in amazement. The conversation would usually change.

    That said. Get ready for a shit storm here. icon_lol.gif
  • tazzari

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    May 25, 2011 4:55 AM GMT
    I'm christian. I'm on the vestry of our church. I'm a lay preacher. But then our (Episcopal) church is Open and Affirming -p we even have an annual Matthew Shepard sermon.

    So perhaps the question is: who gets to define what "being Christian" means? I refuse to let the frightened, the ignorant and the bigoted tell me what defines either me or being Christian.

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    May 25, 2011 5:13 AM GMT
    Oh my...you're an Aggie. Me too, class of 1987.

    I have experience with the culture there...and you not only have the Christian angle, but I bet many of your friends are politically and socially conservative too.

    If this is the case, they would have to change their entire world view to accept your views on homosexuality. Your friends are most likely going to get married to a Christian Conservative, have kids and bring them up in a conservative environment. Long term, I don't picture them having a gay friend in their future. Too much cognitive dissonance.

    So my advice is this...Find other Christian friends who are either open minded or accepting of your sexual orientation. Religious beliefs are deeply imbedded, and your current friends have too many other "gay is a sin" influences in their life.
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    May 25, 2011 6:51 AM GMT
    It's time to find some real friends.
    A friend wouldn't try to change you, unless your actions are putting yourself or others at risk.

    They sound like the all-too-common ala carte Christians, the ones who pick and choose the parts of the Bible that are important and ignore the parts that they don't want to see.
    They think homosexuality is a sin because the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and for a man "not to lie with another man as with a woman" are proof that gay must be a terrible sin. icon_rolleyes.gif
    Gay is an issue, not because they read it in the Bible, but because someone else told them it is an issue. It's a common scapegoat for all kinds of societal ills, and some Christian groups gladly use it.
    They willingly overlook the sins of eating or handling pig, tattoos, wearing clothes made of blended materials, etc just because they don't want to deal with those issues.

    Unless you like dealing with your "friends" making gay an issue, just move on.
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    May 25, 2011 6:59 AM GMT
    Ermine saidIt's time to find some real friends.
    A friend wouldn't try to change you, unless your actions are putting yourself or others at risk.

    They sound like the all-too-common ala carte Christians, the ones who pick and choose the parts of the Bible that are important and ignore the parts that they don't want to see.
    They think homosexuality is a sin because the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and for a man "not to lie with another man as with a woman" are proof that gay must be a terrible sin. icon_rolleyes.gif
    Gay is an issue, not because they read it in the Bible, but because someone else told them it is an issue. It's a common scapegoat for all kinds of societal ills, and some Christian groups gladly use it.
    They willingly overlook the sins of eating or handling pig, tattoos, wearing clothes made of blended materials, etc just because they don't want to deal with those issues.

    Unless you like dealing with your "friends" making gay an issue, just move on.

    Actually, Sodom and Gomorrah didnt go down because of homosexuality. It was sexual deviance and fornication. The ol' popular Leviticus 18:22 would have been perfect for this though.
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    May 25, 2011 9:07 AM GMT
    Honey it's only the gay christians who run around in loops and twist the bible to say that those passages refer to male prostitutes, for anybody who's not deeply emotionally invested in the result it's pretty damn clear that homosexuality is not ok, not in the old testament and not in the new either. Do you see any sanction for gay marriage or homosexuals being mentioned in any kind of a positive light? I don't think so.

    Ditch the bible, ditch christianity. The bible is a myth, there's no evidence for god and as a set of moral rules it fails hard, sanctioning slavery, genocide, war, collective punishment and inherited guilt, among other horrible things. Not to mention the subjugation of women that the bible not only gives a free pass to but outlines the specific structures and rules for them to be subjugated under. The bible is nothing but the writings of a bunch of tribal patriachs who had no concept of anything more than a thousand miles away from them.

    Atheism and Secular Humanism is WAY more liberating, you don't have to tie yourself into knots trying to justify your existence or spend your life arguing with people who'll never agree with you and raise their children to hate you.
  • BardBear

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    May 25, 2011 9:54 AM GMT
    Taoism and Buddhism work for me, so there's always that.

    You are going to be a Christain, however, no matter what your "friends" say. They are only responding to what the church tells them to, anyways. If they are truly Christians, they'd take up the Good Book themselves and define it on their own terms.

    However, don't change your beliefs due to a few people on a jock forum. Do what you feel is right. We can't change that. Those who support you are the ones you should be concerned about.

    peace,
    Bardy
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    May 25, 2011 11:52 AM GMT
    Please be patient with these people and try to rise above them with dignity. I believe there are 2 kinds of Christians: those who call themselves Christians and those who ARE Christians. Remember, IF homosexuality is a sin, then Jesus died for our sins. What's the big deal?
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    May 25, 2011 12:13 PM GMT
    lol @ the bible

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    May 25, 2011 1:55 PM GMT
    vincent7 saidPlease be patient with these people and try to rise above them with dignity. I believe there are 2 kinds of Christians: those who call themselves Christians and those who ARE Christians. Remember, IF homosexuality is a sin, then Jesus died for our sins. What's the big deal?


    QFT.
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    May 25, 2011 3:04 PM GMT
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    May 25, 2011 3:17 PM GMT
    epicfit saidSo I have been out for a while now, and some of my conservative Christian friends are having a difficult time accepting this and want to continue to talk to me about the mistake I am making. I have been a devout Christian most of my life and find it difficult to understand why they take such an offense. I do not believe in religion but I do believe in the Bible. I believe that being gay is not a sin, and that the term homosexual (in the Bible) was derived from male prostitution. Therefore I don't believe the lifestyle I live is condemning!

    What are some of the ways you have handled situations like this with your friends?


    * I understand that personal beliefs are a touchy subject, so please be respectful in your post! icon_smile.gif



    Actually, the word homosexual is not in the bible. I'd urge caution when believing in the bible. It's better to believe in god than a book. The book was written, as Anduru has so trollishly demonstrated, by people who believed the Earth was flat, did not know anything about mental illness (it was the demons! lol), and thought it took truckloads of sperm to get an egg fertilized. When a couple couldn't conceive a child it was the woman being barren, not ever the man shooting blanks, so to speak.

    The book should be taken in context to its writers and the times it was written in.

    -Doug

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    May 25, 2011 3:23 PM GMT
    meninlove saidActually, the word homosexual is not in the bible. I'd urge caution when believing in the bible. It's better to believe in god than a book. The book was written, as Anduru has so trollishly demonstrated, by people who believed the Earth was flat, did not know anything about mental illness (it was the demons! lol), and thought it took truckloads of sperm to get an egg fertilized. When a couple couldn't conceive a child it was the woman being barren, not ever the man shooting blanks, so to speak.

    The book should be taken in context to its writers and the times it was written in.

    -Doug
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