Who are the Christians here?

  • twilight2010

    Posts: 307

    May 25, 2011 7:52 AM GMT
    If you are a Christian please post here

    My name is Donovan

    I am a Christian and I am very proud to call Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior. I believe in Him and I know he exists because I can feel him inside of me. The Holy Spirit is wonderful. It is by the Holy Spirit that I am reborn.
    icon_biggrin.gif

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 29, 2011 6:34 PM GMT
    I am a Christian. Maybe we are the only 2 here on RJ????
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 30, 2011 1:08 AM GMT
    vincent7 saidI am a Christian. Maybe we are the only 2 here on RJ????



    rofl, you certainly aren't - there are many. Out of respect for our fellow atheists, who have suffered greatly under the lash and dogma of misapplied christianity, and out of respect for those of other faiths, I AM christian rather than preaching or worshiping or telling others that without christ they are damned etc.

    That said, because I speak with fellow christians here in this topic, I will sink to a little preachiness.

    "you shall love your neighbour as yourself" which applies to ALL your neighbours, not just the ones of the same belief or non-belief.

    vincent7, your other post in another topic about the drowning man exemplifies that delightfully.

    I use the word christian in lower case to denote humility, as there is much that Christ's followers have to answer for.

    -Doug
  • twilight2010

    Posts: 307

    May 31, 2011 6:48 AM GMT
    very nice words Doug

    It is for Jesus Christ to judge the people for their sins but the most wonderful gift of all is the Grace of God. Gods Grace is what saves us. To those that are wearing the robes washed in the Blood of the Lamb of God their sins are blotted out of the books and found in the book of life.

    I do not judge people, if i quote from scripture on a certain thing, It is Gods words and not mine. If God"s word says something I fully believe it.



  • twilight2010

    Posts: 307

    May 31, 2011 7:19 AM GMT
    Mark 8:38

    38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

    All Christians do not be ashamed of the Lord Jesus, yes Peter himself denied knowing Jesus Christ and three times. Introduce yourselves despite what others think.

    When Jesus comes in His Fathers Glory with the Holy Angels we all better be ready.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    May 31, 2011 1:31 PM GMT
    donovan1979 saidvery nice words Doug

    It is for Jesus Christ to judge the people for their sins but the most wonderful gift of all is the Grace of God. Gods Grace is what saves us. To those that are wearing the robes washed in the Blood of the Lamb of God their sins are blotted out of the books and found in the book of life.

    I do not judge people, if i quote from scripture on a certain thing, It is Gods words and not mine. If God"s word says something I fully believe it.






    Sorry, I'm not a literalist fundamental. When you use the bible to judge others you fall from grace.
  • twilight2010

    Posts: 307

    Jun 02, 2011 7:07 AM GMT
    I do not judge anyone, It is Gods Word that judges and if it says God says this then God has spoken. There is no questioning God and no point after all how can the clay tell the potter how to mold it. God's Word says Jesus only way to Heaven when I quote from the Bible it is not me speaking but GOD THE ALMIGHTY.

    The only time we fall from grace is when we DENY Jesus Christ as Savior. This is the Christian belief.

    I do not judge others, In fact been Gay has taught me to study God's Word in the original languages. I make the effort to test the scripture tranlations by man.

    Why? Because I love Jesus. Because Jesus is the only way me as a rotten sinner is going to escape the wrath of God.

    How do I know that? Because the Bible says so.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 02, 2011 10:56 AM GMT


    "Why? Because I love Jesus. Because Jesus is the only way me as a rotten sinner is going to escape the wrath of God."

    That is exactly the wrong reason to love Christ. Perfect fear casts out love, just as perfect love casts out fear.

    You are loving Christ because you fear god's wrath. I love what Christ stood for, and by doing so, love him for that.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 05, 2011 1:41 PM GMT
    I love Jesus. ;-)
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 05, 2011 3:12 PM GMT
    heart-jesus-christ_1303_1024x768.jpg
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 11, 2011 12:18 AM GMT
    We will all see soon enough! I would like to believe that I have the common sense God gave a goose. I believe the word of God and not the word of man i.e. preachers and priests and popes...

    I am a Christian...Monday-Saturday...however, on Sunday I have stand against the wiles of the devil in the pews and in the pulpits!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 12, 2011 10:16 PM GMT
    I too trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

    I am a "literalist" too, if this means that I accept the Bible as authority.
    Doug of Meninlove have demonstrated a thorough knowledge of the Bible in other posts, maybe even more than many fundamental Christians are able to. But he seems to be against the historicity of the Bible. But I'm no judge here. Doug, along with everybody else, is accountable to God alone, and not to any of us.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 13, 2011 2:02 PM GMT
    NotThatOld saidI too trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

    I am a "literalist" too, if this means that I accept the Bible as authority.
    Doug of Meninlove have demonstrated a thorough knowledge of the Bible in other posts, maybe even more than many fundamental Christians are able to. But he seems to be against the historicity of the Bible. But I'm no judge here. Doug, along with everybody else, is accountable to God alone, and not to any of us.



    Thank you, NotThatOld, you are as usual most kind and I love you for that.

    respectfully -Doug
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 14, 2011 12:29 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    NotThatOld saidI too trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

    I am a "literalist" too, if this means that I accept the Bible as authority.
    Doug of Meninlove have demonstrated a thorough knowledge of the Bible in other posts, maybe even more than many fundamental Christians are able to. But he seems to be against the historicity of the Bible. But I'm no judge here. Doug, along with everybody else, is accountable to God alone, and not to any of us.



    Thank you, NotThatOld, you are as usual most kind and I love you for that.

    respectfully -Doug



    Taking that book literally has harmed vast numbers of people and caused their deaths.

    Exodus 22:18 in 19 English translations of the Bible:

    American Standard Version "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live."
    The Answer: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
    Amplified Bible: You shall not allow a woman to live who practices sorcery.
    Good News Version: Put to death any woman who practices magic.
    James Moffatt Translation: You shall not allow any sorceress to live.
    Jerusalem Bible: You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
    King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
    Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.
    Modern Language Bible: Allow no sorceress to live.
    New American Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
    New American Standard Bible: You shall not let a sorceress live.
    New Century Version: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
    New International Version: Do not allow a sorceress to live.
    New Living Translation: A sorceress must not be allowed to live.
    New Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a female sorcerer to live.
    New World Translation: You must not preserve a sorceress alive.
    The Promise: Contemporary English Version: Death is the punishment for witchcraft.
    Revised Standard Version: You shall not permit a sorceress to live.
    Revised English Bible: You must not allow a witch to live.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 14, 2011 11:33 PM GMT
    Hi Doug,

    Your Scripture quotation is one of a great many found in the Old Testament, and really, it makes no difference which English version you use, it's the same verse.
    Yes, I fully agree with you here that many people in the past has suffered and died over the literal meaning of the Bible. During the Dark Ages, women who were suspected of being witches were tied to a pole and dunked into water. If they drowned, they were not witches. If they were still alive after the pole was lifted out, they were seen as witches and they were then hanged and quartered, or burned alive. Which ever way, once accused it was a no-win situation for the poor woman. And that form of accusation and punishment was not Biblical. In the Bible, the accused had to be proven guilty by two or three witnesses before any trial took place. But if the accusation was proved false, or the witnesses failed to agree, then the woman must be set free.
    There are many, many laws like this one, particularly in the Pentateuch (the first five books of Moses). But actually, what do these laws prove?
    It proves that we are all transgressors and therefore we all deserve the death penalty. In the New Testament, Paul the Apostle in particularly, insisted that the Law of Moses brought death.
    Does this mean that the Law of Moses was evil? "Not at all," says Paul. "The Law in itself was very good, but it brought out the sinful nature within us, which causes us to break the Law and therefore incur death." (Romans 7, etc.) Thus, Paul insist, that he who keeps the Law but stumbles at just one small point has broken the whole Law, and as such, death follows.
    (A bit like an otherwise good man who was caught speeding. Since he broke the whole Law, he has to appear in Court and pay the penalty set by the Judge. His previous goodness had no power to deliver him from the penalty - he is still found guilty of the speeding offence.)
    But here is the point I think is misunderstood by many. Jesus Christ did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill the Law.
    There is a big difference between abolish and fulfill.
    Abolishing the Law means that we can now live our lives in sin, do what we want to do, fraud and show cruelty to others and still go to Heaven after death.
    Fulfilling the Law means that by his sinless life he had kept the Law perfectly. As such when he was crucified, Jesus died a criminal's death, but he was totally innocent. Because he had no sin, he was able to pay the death penalty for all who believe.
    Therefore we (literalists) say that forgiveness of all sins (transgressing the Law) is available for all who trust in Jesus Christ to save us. He who believes receives eternal life and is made a son of God and heirs of his Kingdom. Does this give us the liberty to sin? Rather do we have the desire to live how God wants us to live?
    Yet we don't have the power to live like this within ourselves, but through means of the Holy Spirit within us, who both empowers us towards holiness and being the seal guaranteeing that everyone believing is a son of God.
    I look on myself and in my lifetime I have broken the Law, many, many times. As such, I deserve to die (here meaning eternal separation from God, or Eternal Death). Since I broke the Law, really I'm no better than the vilest fraudster or murderer. No matter how good I try to be, I'm still a transgressor.
    Who can deliver me from such a bondage to sin? I thank God that Jesus Christ came to pay Infinite Justice for my sins, and I'm now free to live as God would want me to live.
    Oh, if only the churches realise all this throughout its history!
  • __LostAtSea__

    Posts: 4

    Jun 15, 2011 2:05 AM GMT
    yup....i totally and completely believe in God....He has, and will always continue to be, the rock in my life, even when things look so bad.

    it's refreshing to hear that they're are other gay men out there who believe in God as well......something i've found hard to find in the gay community....
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 15, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    __LostAtSea__ saidyup....i totally and completely believe in God....He has, and will always continue to be, the rock in my life, even when things look so bad.

    it's refreshing to hear that they're are other gay men out there who believe in God as well......something i've found hard to find in the gay community....


    lol, well there are, although I think I could be easily classified as heretic, lol.

    -Doug
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 15, 2011 3:53 AM GMT
    NotThatOld said, "Therefore we (literalists) say that forgiveness of all sins (transgressing the Law) is available for all who trust in Jesus Christ to save us."

    Whereas I'd say,

    Therefore we allegoricals say that forgiveness of all sins (transgressing the Law) is there for any of us, believers or not, because Jesus Christ saved us, invoking the conscience in all of us (a collective conscience), and so were we saved.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 15, 2011 4:12 AM GMT
    meninlove said NotThatOld said, "Therefore we (literalists) say that forgiveness of all sins (transgressing the Law) is available for all who trust in Jesus Christ to save us."

    Whereas I'd say,

    Therefore we allegoricals say that forgiveness of all sins (transgressing the Law) is there for any of us, believers or not, because Jesus Christ saved us, invoking the conscience in all of us (a collective conscience), and so were we saved.




    (I can't believe I'm quoting myself) I want to add that many non-christians I know are deeply touched by what happened to Christ. Ironically, it is also what stops them from being christian, as some chistians they feel revel too much in the crucifixion and don't stop to think it may be a giant stop sign, telling us, warning us, what we are capable of.

    -Doug
  • twilight2010

    Posts: 307

    Jun 15, 2011 6:57 AM GMT
    __LostAtSea__ saidyup....i totally and completely believe in God....He has, and will always continue to be, the rock in my life, even when things look so bad.

    it's refreshing to hear that they're are other gay men out there who believe in God as well......something i've found hard to find in the gay community....


    He set my feet upon a Rock and gave me a firm place to stand
    Amen
  • twilight2010

    Posts: 307

    Jun 15, 2011 7:02 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    meninlove said NotThatOld said, "Therefore we (literalists) say that forgiveness of all sins (transgressing the Law) is available for all who trust in Jesus Christ to save us."

    Whereas I'd say,

    Therefore we allegoricals say that forgiveness of all sins (transgressing the Law) is there for any of us, believers or not, because Jesus Christ saved us, invoking the conscience in all of us (a collective conscience), and so were we saved.




    (I can't believe I'm quoting myself) I want to add that many non-christians I know are deeply touched by what happened to Christ. Ironically, it is also what stops them from being christian, as some chistians they feel revel too much in the crucifixion and don't stop to think it may be a giant stop sign, telling us, warning us, what we are capable of.

    -Doug


    Because of what they the Jews did to our Lord and Saior Jesus Christ the Kingdom of God was taken away from them. If we treat people like they treated Jesus then we can expect the doors to the wedding feast to be shut in our faces.

    Human beings are the most cruelest of God's creation because of sin. But Jesus washed us clean of all our sins but we must pick up our cross daily and follow Him and obey His commands. By doing so and teaching others to love we will be great in the Kingdom of Heaven
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 15, 2011 10:44 AM GMT
    Please Donovan, pray for wisdom...
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 15, 2011 11:54 AM GMT
    Im not a Christian because I dont think Jesus was christ our saviour son of god and all that...

    but Im a follower of Jesus' philosophies on peace and love for all mankind and all that... most especially "do unto others" or the golden rule, which re universally applied values really..

    as far as beliefs goes, im probably more like the Buddhists, but even there, i dont believe everything Buddhism says either
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 15, 2011 1:47 PM GMT
    Donovan said, "Because of what they the Jews did to our Lord and Saior Jesus Christ the Kingdom of God was taken away from them."


    ...and if they hadn't done what god knew and expected them to do, long before any one of them was born?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Jun 16, 2011 12:00 AM GMT
    Although I am not religious at all (did not get that DNA), my partner is (RC). We went to Stratford Ontario to see the rock opera "Jesus Christ Superstar". A wonderful production with great singing and high drama (the last days of Christ's life is a great story).

    I have a sneaky suspicion if Christ came back today, he would still consider himself Jewish, and he would likely be labeled a socialist!